The Good Citizens of Metropolis: The Casting Thread

[David H.]

I think I’d take Ali as Luthor over Elba.

 

[Boy Scout]

Couldn’t go wrong with either, really.

 

[Vaibow]

My choices change too much, from going left field and choosing someone who can act over looks, to just looks...
I think with WW, AM, Shazam all moving forward and having life in them, i feel Cavill should turn up in their movies, 100% - therefor it's not a shared universe as such, but we are shown links.

Trouble is, the ultimate superman movie may seem to retcon what has come so far.. it's all about money right? Here's my idea, make a MOS2 set weeks after MOS - make it good. it will make money - then cameo with Shazam. By this time, AM, WW and Shazam would have had their trilogies. We would have had two natural MOS movies then they can either start fresh across the board or do a new phase.

 

[David H.]

Like it or not, Batman vs Superman deals so directly with the immediate aftermath of Man of Steel, narratively and in a meta context, that suddenly plugging in a new installment in between those two, canonically, feels like further mudding the waters. It wouldn’t really make sense to have this ideal depiction of Superman and have it so that he returns to the cold, detached, insecure version in previous-now-consecutive installments.

Im of a mind to say that if Cavill’s iteration returns, the gap may become something of a benefit. Age the character up, maybe even more than one might think. Middle aged Superman, embodying the classical elements of the character?

 

[Vaibow]

Like it or not, Batman vs Superman deals so directly with the immediate aftermath of Man of Steel, narratively and in a meta context, that suddenly plugging in a new installment in between those two, canonically, feels like further mudding the waters. It would really make sense to have this ideal depiction of Superman and have it so that he returns to the cold, detached, insecure version in previous-now-consecutive installments.

Im of a mind to say that if Cavill’s iteration returns, the gap may become something of a benefit. Age the character up, maybe even more than one might think. Middle aged Superman, embodying the classical elements of the character?

You see it does, on a political scale i guess, but so much is missed out in those 18 months between the events of MOS and BvS. With respect, MOS2 being set in between, you can totally ignore BvS, it happens down the line and well, people will forget about it. Like, Thor, Thor is moving forward now and no one is really saying 'oh but in the previous movies if we go back and watch, it doesn't make sense... in the fact the tone and humour is so different'. So people going to the cinema see a cool superman movie then see cameo's then the final 3rd movie and with a vast library, MOS1,2,3 can be viewed seperate - it's like i don't go back to SS to watch the batman scenes in order for the rest to work, if that makes sense. It's about putting to sleep BvS and JL, but not killing it off.

 

[David H.]

Then just reboot it.

 

[Boy Scout]

They should. And they will.

 

[STARMAN]

They're are a few unknown actors with the look and the height but with those guys you have to see if they have natural charisma and onscreen presence to make up for their limited experience. I've come across a few but don't know if they have any acting ability to carry a film.

 

[GreenKToo]

Casting superman is one of the hardest jobs for films there is.
There are plenty with the looks but not very many that have that "it" factor.

I do know I'd want Denzel Washington as Lex and Keanu reeves as Brainiac.
Kurt Russell as Jonathan
Geena Davis as martha
John Goodman as Perry white
No reason to cast a lois as we dont know who would be superman.

 

[GreenKToo]

If they just have to recast superman,and want to fix what happened in bvs and jl, then use brainiac.
Have brainiac go back in time to try and prevent superman being born like on syfy's krypton.
You could even tie it in to that show ( not that they will, it's too easy and simple )
Brainiac somehow partly succeeds in his struggle with jor-el, but not completely.
Kal is still born but it's a different kal, with different looks, etc.
He would still be superman tho.

 

[Kane52630]

Then just reboot it.

I've been trying to hit the reboot button ever since BvS.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

It's clear that thery will go for a reboot, but by now they don't want to work on it. It's a hard task.
I don't expect to see any new superman movie at least for 5 years.

 

[Boy Scout]

Which is a shame, because I’d take a Superman movie over a Batman movie anyday. On the other hand, I’d also rather no movie at all than another bad one, so I guess I should count my blessings.

 

[Batmannerism]

Hugh Laurie as Brainiac ! Drops the mic!

 

[Vaibow]

Then just reboot it.

Nope, not on my watch.. just tell a story that happens 5 months after the ending of MOS, a self contained story will work, why wouldn't it? Why wouldn't it work? Just focus on Clark, Lois, rebuilding of Metropolis - lexcorp coming in and trying to be the hero but uncovered as corrupt, destroying the company... with Wayne Enterprises cleaning up... opens the door for the recluse, damaged son to take over and his reasons for BvS - Bruce was also shown watching and monitoring Superman, so it's not as if Superman hung up his cape for 2 years.

If fans accepted Thor: Ragnorak then MOS2 will have no issues. Then MOS3 can be present time, moving forward. There you go, a trilogy of MOS then side movies BvS & JL. It's really not that hard or difficult.

 

[David H.]

It’s so impractical.

 

[Vaibow]

It’s so impractical.

not at all.... you only lack the light to show you the way!

 

[David H.]

No, Vaibow, don’t walk towards the light!

 

[Vaibow]

No, Vaibow, don’t walk towards the light!

Let's seriously discuss though, why couldn't a movie set some time in the 18 months between MOS and BvS work? there was nothing in his life for 18 months that could translate to an adventure and story?

 

[David H.]

Spoiler

There’s no real reason for it to be, so far as I can tell, besides you simply wanting it structured that way. It’s shoving a square peg into a round hole.

Imagine this: you create a situation in which Superman changes from his cold, detached, oddly annoyed Man of Steel self to a traditional, big blue Boy Scout depiction and then, because this is now a mid-quel, you’d have to undo this characterization for the sake of the now-canonically subsequent Batman vs Superman. You’re standing still. Your pitch negates itself.

An 18 month in-universe time gap isn’t an invitation for further stories. It’s just a minor plot point. Why not just do a sequel to Justice League? Why bend over backwards? Build off of what’s already there or start over. Either is simply cleaner.

Remember how JL starts with a montage of how bad things have gotten without Superman? It provides the same basic narrative opportunities as the aftermath of MoS. You can’t even compare this to the Thor movies, as the character shifted in goofiness between solo outings and his appearances in The Avengers and because his series shifted tonally linearly.

Right now I'm admiring my own gallantry.

 

[flickchick85]

Let's seriously discuss though, why couldn't a movie set some time in the 18 months between MOS and BvS work? there was nothing in his life for 18 months that could translate to an adventure and story?

Because that's right in the middle of the era they now want to erase from the audience's collective memories.

 

[Vaibow]

Spoiler

There’s no real reason for it to be, so far as I can tell, besides you simply wanting it structured that way. It’s shoving a square peg into a round hole.

Imagine this: you create a situation in which Superman changes from his cold, detached, oddly annoyed Man of Steel self to a traditional, big blue Boy Scout depiction and then, because this is now a mid-quel, you’d have to undo this characterization for the sake of the now-canonically subsequent Batman vs Superman. You’re standing still. Your pitch negates itself.

An 18 month in-universe time gap isn’t an invitation for further stories. It’s just a minor plot point. Why not just do a sequel to Justice League? Why bend over backwards? Build off of what’s already there or start over. Either is simply cleaner.

Remember how JL starts with a montage of how bad things have gotten without Superman? It provides the same basic narrative opportunities as the aftermath of MoS. You can’t even compare this to the Thor movies, as the character shifted in goofiness between solo outings and his appearances in The Avengers and because his series shifted tonally linearly.

Right now I'm admiring my own gallantry.

hold your horses their squire...... I disagree, but i can see where you are coming from but i think you're putting too much on the audience to pick up and care on that. They see a good movie, they'll enjoy it and look forward to more, not rush back to rewatch BvS dissecting how he could suddenly turn 'cold' etc - besides, MOS ends with an optimistic vibe, BvS does its best to explain why that's changed - even showing a monument and how loved he is/was, to how public reactions changed.

Because that's right in the middle of the era they now want to erase from the audience's collective memories.

you honestly think people will be put off by that fact? people going to feel the same for WW1984 and think 'oh but it leads into BvS and JL, no thanks' or did Aquaman suffer for referencing Steppenwolf, will shazam fail because Freddy is obsessed with Cavill and Batfleck? Will birds of prey fail because their lead is linked to one of the worst jokers on screen and battled batfleck? The only way they can do that is a complete recast. oh well, each to their own, i disagree but i can see why you think the way you do. Opinions and all.

I think part of it, for me, is that i wanted/want a proper sequel to MOS and if i got that, i'd be happy, as BvS, JL to me, it's like a bad issue in the comic series, it happened, i read it, didn't like it, moved onto another.

Clark and lois - new to their relationship, building on that chemistry, the fun with keeping his identity a secret at the planet - how the city in particular take to him - i want to see that with Cavill and i fear any sequel or cameo they come up with, because it's 3/4 years after MOS, it's lost so much potential.

In my mind, i know how mos2 could go and not be apologising for BvS but still honour it, then a MOS3 could be where we are now in the DCEU.

Anyways, some concrete news either way would be great.

 

[flickchick85]

you honestly think people will be put off by that fact?

Absolutely. I certainly don't want to watch any Superman venture that I know is very shortly leading to that very dour scenario. I want a Superman with a narrative that doesn't lead to his glum fate in BvS, one who's largely embraced by the public after he comes onto the scene and inspires them. I want a Superman movie that doesn't make me think of BvS AT ALL. Which means I don't want any of the continuity baggage attached to it.

Honestly, I think WW being so far removed from BvS on the timeline was a saving grace for it. It's literally a lifetime removed from it. Out of sight, out of mind. But even if it weren't, BvS just had WW looking cool. It did no damage to her character that really needed to be "undone" from that movie for audiences to embrace her. Whereas it left Supes in a baaaaad way and they won't want audiences reminded of it. I too wanted a MoS sequel once upon a time, because I thought it was the best I could hope for on the Supes front. But thanks to WW and Aquaman, I can see greener pastures ahead and really don't want to go back and see anything that would remind me of that dark time. I'd now much prefer a reboot, and I think WB would probably feel the same.

 

[Vaibow]

Absolutely. I certainly don't want to watch any Superman venture that I know is very shortly leading to that very dour scenario. I want a Superman with a narrative that doesn't lead to his glum fate in BvS, one who's largely embraced by the public after he comes onto the scene and inspires them. I want a Superman movie that doesn't make me think of BvS AT ALL. Which means I don't want any of the continuity baggage attached to it.

Honestly, I think WW being so far removed from BvS on the timeline was a saving grace for it. It's literally a lifetime removed from it. Out of sight, out of mind. But even if it weren't, BvS just had WW looking cool. It did no damage to her character that really needed to be "undone" from that movie for audiences to embrace her. Whereas it left Supes in a baaaaad way and they won't want audiences reminded of it. I too wanted a MoS sequel once upon a time, because I thought it was the best I could hope for on the Supes front. But thanks to WW and Aquaman, I can see greener pastures ahead and really don't want to go back and see anything that would remind me of that dark time. I'd now much prefer a reboot, and I think WB would probably feel the same.

Fair play!! I feel like blaming Snyder but it was probably the higher ups that made mos2 BvS!!

 

[Lobo]

This would be my choices though I want and believe Henry will return for one more. Anyway onto my fancast

Superman-Ryan Guzman, age 31, 6'1

Lois Lane-Aubrey Plaza 34, 5'6

Lex Luthor-Matt Damon

Perry White-Beau Bridges

Jimmy Olsen-Asa Butterfield

Amalak-Omari Hardwick

Amalak for those unfamiliar

Amalak's current origin

When the planet Krypton was a interstellar empire, several planets fell under its expansion. Among those planets lived Amalak, whose home world was devastated by Admiral Dru-Zod. Enraged after discovering all his people were dead, Amalak swore vengeance on all Kryptonians.[1]