The Hal Jordan/Green Lantern Thread

[brainchild81]

lol. honestly. no one knows John and Guy. Hal and Kyle are the most popular Green Lentern.

We're not talking about the people who read his comics. Using Hal didn't do much for the general audience and that's where the big money comes from. The GA may know John more because of the successful JL & JLU. Outside of the comics Hal has a steaming failure on his record. John doesn't. Kyle has been on TV even less than Guy and his mask is just as goofy as Hal's

 

[HighFivingMF]

Nobody's going to take it more or less seriously if he suddenly turns black. Just give him a story people respond better to.

 

[brainchild81]

This is not about turning Hal black. It's about completely nixing his lame ass. Guy is white too. The difference is that Guy's not totally lame and doesn't wear a stupid mask that won't work in live action

 

[Rowsdower!]

Wow, what a convincing argument. You should work for WB.

 

[Lily Adler]

So I guess that mean Kyle's out.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

No he's right, I can't think of a single time when a domino mask has ever worked on film:

Spoiler

 

[Project862006]

i'd take robin out lol

 

[sethypants]

We're not talking about the people who read his comics. Using Hal didn't do much for the general audience and that's where the big money comes from. The GA may know John more because of the successful JL & JLU. Outside of the comics Hal has a steaming failure on his record. John doesn't. Kyle has been on TV even less than Guy and his mask is just as goofy as Hal's

You are slapping yourself in the face.
How many people watched Justice League Unlimited?
And how many people watched
Justice League Crisis on Two Earth, Justice League Doom, Justice League New Frontier, Green Lantern First Flight, Green Lantern Emerald Knights, Green Lantern the animated series, Green Lantern the movie combined?
not to mention Green Lantern Rise of the Manhunters, DCUO, MK vs DC and the upcoming Injustice (which will probably feature hal) all included hal. How many video games have John Stewart been in. Face it. Hal is the greatest Green Lantern, in the comics community and outside of the comics community.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

i'd take robin out lol

Why? Aside from the nipples and overt musculature, that design is great and the best thing to come out of that film. That mask is gorgeous. The technicians that made the suits shouldn't get a bad rep just because of Joel Schumacher, Akiva Goldsman and WB. They were very well made.

 

[brainchild81]

No he's right, I can't think of a single time when a domino mask has ever worked on film:

Spoiler

Catwoman's mask isn't the same type. The other movies were either awful or box office flops

 

[TheWatcher]

Watchmen wasn't either of those.

 

[The Guard]

Oh, look. People creating new arguments to avoid dealing with the original statement's validity.

The point wasn't that the masks made the movie successful, or how similar they were. The point made was that the domino mask had worked on film before.

It worked in GREEN LANTERN, too, fans just seem to like to whine about it because it was a little silly.

 

[brainchild81]

If the movie wasn't good & didn't make good money, how can you say it worked? What, then, is the criteria for ''work”?

Watchmen wasn't either of those.

Don't get me wrong. I loved that film. I own it. It should have been a hit. It was not. Look at the cost to make and how much it made. It was a flop. Also they really didn't keep the masks on all that much & it was kind of a period piece.

 

[HighFivingMF]

A movie's critical reception and box office gross has absolutely nothing, NOTHING, to do with a domino mask. What people mean by "worked" is it looked good. Nobody went to a movie or skipped a movie because of how the mask looked.

 

[brainchild81]

Didn't look good in GL. Looked silly. The movie had plenty of problems but the silly mask only added to them. It's also worse in GL because of the color

 

[metaphysician]

Watchmen wasn't either of those.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=watchmen.htm

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/watchmen/

It may not have been a John Carter scale disaster, but the best word with those numbers would be "fizzle."

 

[sethypants]

If the movie wasn't good & didn't make good money, how can you say it worked? What, then, is the criteria for ''work”?Don't get me wrong. I loved that film. I own it. It should have been a hit. It was not. Look at the cost to make and how much it made. It was a flop. Also they really didn't keep the masks on all that much & it was kind of a period piece.

Just because the movie made good money, doesn't mean all aspect of the movie worked. Just because a movie did not make good money doesn't mean all aspect of the movie sucked. Just because the movie didn't make as much as WB wanted, doesn't make it bad. Neither was it because of the domino mask.

Besides, if you really wanna use that logic of yours
Batman and Robin
Budget $140 million
Box office $238,207,122
B&R made 170% of its budget. So I guess domino masks worked on Batman and Robin

 

[brainchild81]

It's known as the one that killed fhe franchise. Clooney said it himself. The GL mask looked silly as hell. That was my original point b4 people brought up the other movies. Even people who like Hal said it looked silly. The whole GL concept isn't necessarily the GA's cup of tea so it might not be a success no matter which one they use. I'm just saying why not avoid certain silly things that are easily avoidable like his stupid green mask just to be safe. Hal had his chance and it failed. Use John next time or even Guy. They won't look as stupid as Hal did and that would be one less thing against the film from the start

 

[Project862006]

^hal had his chance lololol so did bruce wayne in batman and robin should of rebooted with with batman beyond then

hal is the most relatable john is too damn stoic

hal is basically james t kirk from star trek reboot

 

[brainchild81]

Maybe.........if Kirk was waaaaaay less cool and wore a stupid green mask lololol. Bruce had already proven to be a box office draw and there's no Batman Corps to select from. Hal is NOT a box office draw and there are @least 2 other Lanterns to choose from. Stoic is better than silly. Have John as a full-on badass and play up his Marine aspect. Or use Guy

 

[Powerman34]

I didnt hate GL, but I just feel that they could have done so much more with it. The space scenes were great. I hate it when fantasy type movies always bring the action to earth. Thats the whole point of escapism, to get away from this world, especially when the hero is essentially a space cop! Reynolds was Reynolds, which wasnt a bad thing, he can act. I just wish that instead of scrapping everything for 5 or 10 years, they continue the story, refine the cgi a bit, and get the director of Galaxy Quest!

 

[Project862006]

Maybe.........if Kirk was waaaaaay less cool and wore a stupid green mask lololol. Bruce had already proven to be a box office draw and there's no Batman Corps to select from. Hal is NOT a box office draw and there are @least 2 other Lanterns to choose from. Stoic is better than silly. Have John as a full-on badass and play up his Marine aspect. Or use Guy

hal is just better for movies end of story what does john have?

hal has a nemesis - sinestro
hal has a love interest - carol ferris
hal has an emotional story arc of over coming fear and dealing with death of his father

hal has character development of being a lazy screw up who doesn't see his true potential by turning into a hero who overcomes his fears and becomes the hero he was meant to become

WTF does john have that can even match hal's GL mythology

 

[brainchild81]

Hal had all that **** & failed. Nobody cared about that stuff Hal had. Love interest is not a selling point for me & I doubt it is for anbody who wants to see a Superhero film. Hal's a silly character w/silly mask in silly movie. John's enemies are whoever the corps or league sends him after or whoever comes after him. You don't really need a love interest but they can give him one like they did on JLU. Side question: Did you like the GL film w/RR?

 

[Project862006]

hal is more relatable charismatic character he can be funny and down to earth as well as serious when he needs to be john is just a stoic bore

 

[HighFivingMF]

hal is just better for movies end of story what does john have?

hal has a nemesis - sinestro
hal has a love interest - carol ferris
hal has an emotional story arc of over coming fear and dealing with death of his father

hal has character development of being a lazy screw up who doesn't see his true potential by turning into a hero who overcomes his fears and becomes the hero he was meant to become

But he has a silly mask so he's dumb.