The Horror Thread - Part 5

[Majik1387]

She doesn't have to say it. All of his kills are heavily sexually implied, and the characters are high schoolers. Even in Freddy vs Jason they made it clear.

 

[Thundarr]

She doesn't have to say it. All of his kills are heavily sexually implied, and the characters are high schoolers. Even in Freddy vs Jason they made it clear.

As I mentioned before, Freddy was a sexual sadist. That means he gets sexual gratification from torture and murder. So while his kills have strong sexual implications, that doesn't mean he actually dropped his pants and raped the children he abducted.

And his victims being teenagers in the movie has less to do with his preference of victims ages and more to do with Hollywood's taboo against showing horrible physical violence against children. It can be talked about, like in ANOES. Or it can be implied, like in the Charles Bronson movie Angel Of Death (which starts with a mysterious man murdering an entire polygamous family on a Mormon commune). But it should never be shown. Hollywood has relaxed this rule some in recent years (the movies Red Dragon and Postal being two prime examples), but for the most part the taboo holds true.

I've often wondered it there was a story-line reason that Freddy waits until his victims are teenagers before invading their dreams. Especially since they made it quite clear in the films that as The Springwood Slasher his preferred victims were elementary school aged children. He was burned to death some time between 1968 and 1970, maybe even as late as 1973. Yet he waits until 1984 to start killing the younger siblings of his victims in their dreams. Why?

My theory is that young children have too vivid imaginations, making them natural lucid dreamers. They still believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. This gives them the power to defend themselves in their dreams. As they get older their minds become more analytical, more logical, less likely to believe in the fantastic (such as a dream demon who kills you in your nightmares). This makes the teens more vulnerable to Freddy's intrusions.

 

[Majik1387]

Look, the movie was made at a time where every little thing did not have to be explained meticulously through exposition.

And despite the actors actually being older teens to 20 year olds in real life, they are playing high school children.
As for why he waited for the soon to be victims to be high school age, no one knows; all we know is why he chose them. But bottom line, their characters are still kids.

 

[Thundarr]

Look, the movie was made at a time where every little thing did not have to be explained meticulously through exposition.

And despite the actors actually being older teens to 20 year olds in real life, they are playing high school children.
As for why he waited for the soon to be victims to be high school age, no one knows; all we know is why he chose them. But bottom line, their characters are still kids.

I never said that every little thing had to be explained through exposition. I'm saying that Freddy being a pedophile doesn't necessarily mean he also raped his victims. I've researched abnormal psychologies and serial killers (for use in my writing), so I know a thing or two about what type of psychosis one would have to have in order to commit the crimes that Krueger did as The Springwood Slasher.

As I posted above, Fred Krueger was a sexual sadist. To him torture and murder IS sex. He was also a pedophile. Pedophilia is actually broken down into four subcategories. Nepiophilia, which is a sexual attraction to infants and toddlers (ages 0 to 3). Pedophilia, which is the sexual attraction to children ages 4 to 10. Hebephilia is the sexual attraction to pubescent children ages 11 to 14. And finally, ephebophilia, which is a sexual preference for teens age 15 to 19.

It is made very clear in the original films that Freddy had a preference for children ages 4 to 10 when he was still alive and active as The Springwood Slasher. And from what I know about how the FBI profiles serial killers, the victimology of a serial killer usually doesn't change. If a serial killer prefers killing white women in their twenties with long blonde hair, then that's who they'll prey upon. If a serial killer has a preference for killing ten year old girls, then that's who he'll prey upon. For a killer to switch his victimology from a preference for elementary school children ages 4 to 10 (pedophilia age) to high school kids ages 16 to 18 (ephebophilia age), that's practically unheard of.

And I know it was never explained why Freddy waits 14 or so years to start killing kids in their teens. I simply expressed my curiosity as to whether or not Wes Craven, or any of the other ANOES writers, had ever come up with a reason, even if it's in their own head so as to make sense of the stories they were writing. I gave you the Hollywood reason (their taboo against harming children on film), and my own personal theory (that young children are natural lucid dreamers). Does that part HAVE to be explained? Not really. I'm just curious as to whether or not there IS an explanation, that's all.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Sinister 2 is Poo Poo.

 

[Naked Shia]

my cousin and I made our own version of scream in gta V, here is the video

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We're currently thinking of making a sequel

 

[BH/HHH]

I've been saying the same thing for years. I even asked Robert Englund if he'd be willing to reprise the role of Freddy in a prequel when I met him at the 2014 Vancouver Fan Expo, and he told me that he would. He also said that there were plans for a prequel years ago, but it fell through for whatever reason.

Chris Notorile of Blinky Productions had actually written, produced, and directed a series of Elm Street Prequels which starred Roberto Lombardi as The Springwood Slasher. I had posted links to them earlier in this thread. Personally, I think they could and should be fleshed out into a feature length film.

And I agree with you with keeping Freddy a child killer like in the original. While he was a pedophile, he was also a sexual sadist. That means he derived sexual pleasure from the torture and murder of children. He didn't need to drop his pants to get sexual gratification from the children. To him, his claws were his sexual instruments.

It would be so cool if they made it. I honestly think that's the next story to tell.

Yeah he wasn't out right called a fiddler in the original and it's not really implied either. Freddy vs Jason was probably the first and only time in the original series that it was implied. I much prefer the way it was done in the original, little more tasteful if you get me. The remake went into that territory and I didn't like it.

Yeah I get that it's like the pleasure is simply from the killing.

 

[Thundarr]

It would be so cool if they made it. I honestly think that's the next story to tell.

Yeah he wasn't out right called a fiddler in the original and it's not really implied either. Freddy vs Jason was probably the first and only time in the original series that it was implied. I much prefer the way it was done in the original, little more tasteful if you get me. The remake went into that territory and I didn't like it.

Yeah I get that it's like the pleasure is simply from the killing.

And here's the trailer for it:

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[NotSoLongAgo]

It's probably just that NOES was created when slashers about killing teenagers were all the rage.

 

[BH/HHH]

And here's the trailer for it:

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Is that a new one? Looks really cool, I've seen the one where he's arrested and interviewed plus I know he played Freddy in the makeup for a few others. He's really good that guy, reminds me of Robert Englund with a little Will Ferrell. Hey Will Ferrell as the next Krueger t:

 

[Thundarr]

Is that a new one? Looks really cool, I've seen the one where he's arrested and interviewed plus I know he played Freddy in the makeup for a few others. He's really good that guy, reminds me of Robert Englund with a little Will Ferrell. Hey Will Ferrell as the next Krueger t:

It's the trailer for the series of Elm Street prequels I had posted links to earlier. I think the short films actually came out first, which is a little backwards, but considering Chris had to make the shorts before he could use clips from them to make the trailer it kinda makes sense.

As for Will Ferrell playing Freddy? Good God I hope you're just joking about that! That would be horrible!

 

[BH/HHH]

It's the trailer for the series of Elm Street prequels I had posted links to earlier. I think the short films actually came out first, which is a little backwards, but considering Chris had to make the shorts before he could use clips from them to make the trailer it kinda makes sense.

As for Will Ferrell playing Freddy? Good God I hope you're just joking about that! That would be horrible!

Of course I am he'd be horrible ha ha

 

[Thundarr]

Of course I am he'd be horrible ha ha

Thank God.

That was one of the worst casting suggestions I had ever heard. You gotta be careful. WB might be reading threads like this one for movie ideas. I shudder to think what would happen if they took you seriously and thought to themselves "Hey! Will Farrell as Fred Krueger! Great idea! I like that!"

 

[StarLord]

Nic Cage is making a venture into horror again with Pay the Ghost. LOL.

In the Uli Edel-directed thriller, Cage plays Mike Lawford, a man who’s still desperately searching for his son a year after the boy vanished at a Halloween carnival. Racked by unexplainable messages, Lawford and his estranged wife (Sarah Wayne Callies, of The Walking Dead) try to unravel the mystery and encounter a legend that refuses to stay buried.

Pay the Ghost hits theaters and VOD Sept. 15 from RLJ Entertainment.

 

[antsman41]

Why do Cage posters/dvd covers always have such terrible Photoshop of his face?

 

[Kane52630]

*crosses fingers* please be another Wicker Man.

 

[Enriquespy]

So it has come to this.

 

[Naked Shia]

the HPLHS is great. Both Call of cthulhu and the whisperer in darkness were amazing.

 

[Majik1387]

*crosses fingers* please be another Wicker Man.

Well the plot synopsis pretty much is Wicker Man 2.0

 

[chamber-music]

How'd It Get Burned?

 

[Kane52630]

 

[BH/HHH]

This might be sacrilege to some but I always found The Burning massively overrated, however I always liked the idea of it. It's something I'd like to se remade but by someone who knows how to make a film like this rather than Hollywood picking a director who is doing it simply cause it's a job at a studio.

 

[Kane52630]

People always remember the last act of The Burning because most of movie was pretty much a cheesy 80s teen romcom.

 

[StarLord]

I only just saw The Burning for the first time a few weeks ago. It was alright, nothing special.

The scene after Cropsey leaves the hospital and meets the hooker is random as hell. Also, Jason Alexander... WTF.

 

[Kane52630]

Also, Jason Alexander... WTF.