The Hunger Games - Part 2

[dark_b]

not suprised about Gary Ross. they would replace him even if everyone praised him for HG. but all the complaining about his style( ohhhh he deserved it. trust me) was IMO the last reason. they are trying to save as much money as possible around the 3 main actors. after all the studio is trying to get a rich as possible. smart from them.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

not suprised about Gary Ross. they would replace him even if everyone praised him for HG. but all the complaining about his style( ohhhh he deserved it. trust me) was IMO the last reason. they are trying to save as much money as possible around the 3 main actors. after all the studio is trying to get a rich as possible. smart from them.

What style problems? What was wrong with his style?

 

[dark_b]

What style problems? What was wrong with his style?

96,999999 % complained about the shaky cam and some of his composing decisions and you ask me what was wrong? t:

 

[Marvin]

You are aware that the acting is directed by the director?

Are you aware that they are two different things?

For example:
1. A script and a director are two different things.
2. A great script can exist without a directors involvement at all.

3. Daniel Day Lewis is a great actor and sure he can be director poorly but that doesn't change the fact. And in HG's we had some good actors, with some good material. Ross can be replaced. Now if Ross somehow inspired a great performance out of Megan Fox in the role of Katniss. I'd perhaps see where you are coming from. Last I checked, Jenn is Oscar nominated(for similar work.)

That is usually because the first director isn't very good. That wasn't the case here.

There's always someone better.

 

[Carnage27]

Not if you want a PG-13 rating. Seriously, it had to be a studio choice to avoid an R rating.

A creative director would have been able to figure it out. Seriously, at the beginning of the movie you would have thought there was an earthquake in the Seam the way the camera was bouncing around. And the fight on the Cornucopia was impossible to decipher.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A creative director would have been able to figure it out. Seriously, at the beginning of the movie you would have thought there was an earthquake in the Seam the way the camera was bouncing around. And the fight on the Cornucopia was impossible to decipher.

Of course it was. You're not suppose to make out how a bunch of kids are killing each other, or you get an R-rating. I want to know how exactly you are suppose to get around that. What creative trick is there?

 

[Carnage27]

Of course it was. You're not suppose to make out how a bunch of kids are killing each other, or you get an R-rating. I want to know how exactly you are suppose to get around that. What creative trick is there?

ON the Cornucopia. Not the Bloodbath.

The Bloodbath was the only acceptable use of the shaky cam.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

ON the Cornucopia. Not the Bloodbath.

The Bloodbath was the only acceptable use of the shaky cam.

I know what scene you are talking about. The one with the dogs at the end. You have a kid covered in blood trying to detach a head from another. Beating on a 16 year old girl.

Yeah, no.

 

[Carnage27]

I know what scene you are talking about. The one with the dogs at the end. You have a kid covered in blood trying to detach a head from another. Beating on a 16 year old girl.

Yeah, no.

Yea, yea. It was a terrible scene.

 

[Blue Sugar]

Are you aware that they are two different things?

For example:
1. A script and a director are two different things.
2. A great script can exist without a directors involvement at all.

3. Daniel Day Lewis is a great actor and sure he can be director poorly but that doesn't change the fact. And in HG's we had some good actors, with some good material. Ross can be replaced. Now if Ross somehow inspired a great performance out of Megan Fox in the role of Katniss. I'd perhaps see where you are coming from. Last I checked, Jenn is Oscar nominated(for similar work.)

I don't get what the first two points has with my post to do at all? And with the third I am of the opinion that the director has plenty to do with how the acting turns out, even if it's the best actors in the world. A great director can not only inspire and lead mediocre actors to do great but also find and showcase the great in already great actors.

I don't think it's such a black and white issue and saying a director has nothing to do with how good the overall acting is in a film just seems silly.

Ross probably didn't have to do much to get something great from Lawrence, but I thought you were talking about the whole cast when you said the actors did the film great and not the director?

 

[Blue Sugar]

Personally I loved the way they used handheld camera in the beginning, in District 12 and the Seam. It really highlighted the poor conditions in a great way.

It was the shaky-cam and quick-cut action in the bloodbath and the Cornocupia climax that irked me personally in that department.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The early District 12 stuff was really good. Got me to believe in the world. And it was easy on the eyes.

 

[LostSon88]

I don't mind not having Ross back. His emphasis on the shaky cam was the biggest disappointment for me.

 

[Project862006]

maybe paul greengrass to keep the same style!!!

 

[Sentinel X]

This is bad news, I thought Ross did a great job with this film, would have loved seeing him return for both sequels. And the hate towards handheld camera-work here is really astounding. I really hope the next director doesn't ditch that completely or the overall slightly gritty feeling in the cinematography. If they make it too stylish or even think about 3D I will be mad.

There is always a chance they will get someone great but in my opinion there is a bigger chance they won't. Cuaron would be awesome though.

I don't like this either. He did a good job with Hunger Games and if it aint broke don't "fix" it. I'm pretty sure it has a lot to do with money but of course he will never say that publicly since it looks bad.

Also, I agree with you about the shaky cam. People are completely exaggerating. It is a PG-13 film about children killing each other; the shaky cam is a very effective tool for this instance. I prefer that then seeing ridiculously cheesy watered down fight scenes.

 

[Project862006]

you would think lionsgate would bend over backwards for gary

the guy gave them their biggest hit since SAW 3 lol

 

[Sentinel X]

There's always someone better.

You act like "someone better" is always chosen. That is really not the case. Look at the Harry Potter movies and how the quality fluctuated between films

A creative director would have been able to figure it out. Seriously, at the beginning of the movie you would have thought there was an earthquake in the Seam the way the camera was bouncing around. And the fight on the Cornucopia was impossible to decipher.

Can you give me an example of a creative director that has filmed a very brutal script in a PG-13 manner without using quick cuts, shaky cam, etc?

I think some people have unrealistic expectations. How in the hell was he suppose to film some of those scenes without using those tactics and still keep a PG-13 rating? ...I really am curious to know

 

[DACrowe]

Gary Ross Leaves 'The Hunger Games' Franchise, Won't Direct 'Catching Fire' Sequel



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Wow that was a mistake. I know some complained about his style, but he brought a realness and humanity t it that kept it from becoming kitsch. I'm sure CF will make as much, or more, money than HG, so the studio shouldn't really care. But don't be surprised if the quality goes down like I think that it will.

 

[DACrowe]

96,999999 % complained about the shaky cam and some of his composing decisions and you ask me what was wrong? t:

He also picked the actress in your avy for the lead and took what could have been tween soap and gave an authenticity to it. I can see how in lesser hands this could easily slide into Twilight territory in the next movie.

 

[terry78]

You don't just ditch the man that directed Pleasantville and Seabiscuit unless it's about money. He's an acclaimed director.

 

[Blue Sugar]

What DACrowe said.

 

[zanos]

Is Jennifer Lawrence chubby? ....I mean she has a naturally round face, so do many people, but I wouldn't call her chubby.

She's chubby for hollywood, but that's not why they're picking on her weight. It's become a topic of discussion because she's playing a character who is supposed to be starving along with everyone else in a movie called the Hunger Games. Instead, she looks as healthy if not more so than the people who live in the Capitol.

She's not chubby. People are just stupid.

Plus, Katniss shouldn't be a stick figure. While she never had an abundance of food, she and Gale did enough illegal hunting she wasn't starving, either.

And Peeta lived in a bakery. He ate enough too.

Actually, she hunts so she can sell the meat for medicine and other things her family needs. She doesn't really eat the stuff she catches because it's worth more as a trade commodity.

 

[Infinity9999x]

He also picked the actress in your avy for the lead and took what could have been tween soap and gave an authenticity to it. I can see how in lesser hands this could easily slide into Twilight territory in the next movie.

While I don't like that he's not coming back, I wouldn't give the man too much credit for actually staying true to the source material. It's like giving kudos to someone for actually doing their job well. Of course they should do it well. It's their job.

I also agree on some of his style. The shaky cam did get to be too much at points, though I think he could have easily toned it down and it wouldn't have been nearly as bad.

Hopefully they'll get another talented director who can do the other films justice.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't mind not having Ross back. His emphasis on the shaky cam was the biggest disappointment for me.

I am starting to wonder if you all have seen the movie.

Where is this earthquake shaky cam at exactly, other then where it was more then likely enforced?

Wow that was a mistake. I know some complained about his style, but he brought a realness and humanity t it that kept it from becoming kitsch. I'm sure CF will make as much, or more, money than HG, so the studio shouldn't really care. But don't be surprised if the quality goes down like I think that it will.

Very well said.

 

[Angel_Faerie]

I thought the use of shaky cam during the actual Games was fine and a clever way to show the brutality of what's happening while still keeping it PG-13, but there were a few shaky cam scenes before the Games in District 12 that I didn't think were necessary.