Iron Man 3 The IRON MAN 3 News & Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 14

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honestly if they wanted they could keep batman on rotation every 4 years and they'd make a billion every single time if they kept an eye on it. Even better if mos pans out well, they could easily make a billion each time with it's sequels and reboot, they really don't need to do the whole expanded universe thing like marvel does (so i'm not particularly sure it's worth the risk :funny:)

+1.
 
8 movies on, and Batman is as popular as ever. We are about to get our 6th Superman movie. Sony just relaunched Spidey, and it has worked. On the other hand, we got a strong Hulk movie, and it went by nearly completely unnoticed while the subpar Iron Man 2 killed it at the box office.

The audience becomes attached to franchises and characters. It is why you can make 8 HPs or 20+ Bonds. You can do movies like TIH, GotG, Ant Man, Strange, Cap, etc. because of heavy hitters like Iron Man and the Avengers. Now hopefully Thor can join those two. You need your money makers.

Black Panther might show up in the Avengers, but the last thing you need to do is make him a solo film just because he is a "minority". Please have other reasons. And lets be honest. He shows up, and all the Batman jokes and comparisons begin.

Sony relaunched Spidey because they'd lose the license if they didn't. It's that simple. I don't know why you ignore that there are diminishing returns when you milk a character for all they're worth. Yes, Batman has 8 movies, but they took a long break in between them. Why? Because the public was getting saturated with Batman movies. Schumacher said as much in the documentary about B&R. It happened too soon.

A long break is exactly what I'm asking for with IM. Give him four or five years before you bring out IM4. It'll seem fresh even though it's the fourth in a series.

There are plenty of reasons to do a BP movie. Only one of them is that he's a minority character, but that's a strong reason in and of itself. He's got a cool background, a good look, and an interesting story to tell. And as far as I'm concerned, I don't give a crap if people compare his outfit to Batman's. That's a dumb reason not to do a movie.
 
honestly if they wanted they could keep Batman on rotation every 4 years and they'd make a billion every single time if they kept an eye on it. Even better if MOS pans out well, they could easily make a billion each time with it's sequels and reboot, they really don't need to do the whole expanded universe thing like Marvel does (so I'm not particularly sure it's worth the risk :funny:)

That's one way to make everyone sick and tired of superheroes.
 
Sony relaunched Spidey because they'd lose the license if they didn't. It's that simple. I don't know why you ignore that there are diminishing returns when you milk a character for all they're worth. Yes, Batman has 8 movies, but they took a long break in between them. Why? Because the public was getting saturated with Batman movies. Schumacher said as much in the documentary about B&R. It happened too soon.

A long break is exactly what I'm asking for with IM. Give him four or five years before you bring out IM4. It'll seem fresh even though it's the fourth in a series.

There are plenty of reasons to do a BP movie. Only one of them is that he's a minority character, but that's a strong reason in and of itself. He's got a cool background, a good look, and an interesting story to tell. And as far as I'm concerned, I don't give a crap if people compare his outfit to Batman's. That's a dumb reason not to do a movie.

People will stop watching if the quality drops. If it doesn't, you won't see diminishing returns. Schumacher likes to forget that he almost killed the franchise with a horrible, horrible movie. Spidey got rebooted because they decided not to do Spidey 4. It was Spidey 4 or reboot. They weren't stopping.

All you have to do is look at James Bond. When there are good movies to be had, the people show up for them, even at #23.
 
Sony relaunched Spidey because they'd lose the license if they didn't. It's that simple. I don't know why you ignore that there are diminishing returns when you milk a character for all they're worth. Yes, Batman has 8 movies, but they took a long break in between them. Why? Because the public was getting saturated with Batman movies. Schumacher said as much in the documentary about B&R. It happened too soon.
Well, he won't exactly say that it's because his movies were terrible, which would be my opinion about the failure. It felt like modern variant of the 60s TV series.

I'm still quite sure that Nolan's movies could have gone on for quite a while and make good money. I'd prefer a reboot that managed to blend in the comics elements a bit better but I'd have no problems with more movies from him, but I'll never watch any of Schumacher's Batman movies again.
 
Sony relaunched Spidey because they'd lose the license if they didn't. It's that simple. I don't know why you ignore that there are diminishing returns when you milk a character for all they're worth. Yes, Batman has 8 movies, but they took a long break in between them. Why? Because the public was getting saturated with Batman movies. Schumacher said as much in the documentary about B&R. It happened too soon.

A long break is exactly what I'm asking for with IM. Give him four or five years before you bring out IM4. It'll seem fresh even though it's the fourth in a series.

There are plenty of reasons to do a BP movie. Only one of them is that he's a minority character, but that's a strong reason in and of itself. He's got a cool background, a good look, and an interesting story to tell. And as far as I'm concerned, I don't give a crap if people compare his outfit to Batman's. That's a dumb reason not to do a movie.

Batman is incomparable, he's been an integral part of pop culture since the 60's. People didn't tire of batman, they got tired of Batman being so s**t. Which is why I said if they look after the franchise then they could easily make a billion every 4-5 years, lord knows they have 70 years worth of material to draw from.

Iron Man is different, he's only gotten big with the public in the past 5 years and a large part of that is the guy who plays him. I can almost guarantee you that if they recast him and put out Iron Man 4 in 2-3 years theres no way that's making a billion. So you are right in that regards they really should leave a bit of time.

And yes I'd love a black panther film, we need more black superheroes for the mainstream public.
 
Heroes for Hire and Black Panther are my two top picks for up and coming black superhero films.
 
Shane Black would make an insane Heroes for Hire movie. Its literally the superhero version of Lethal Weapon.

btw, for those of us who haven't yet seen the movie and have absolutely nothing to do atm, FX is currently playing IM1 and IM2 back to back..lol
 
Batman is incomparable, he's been an integral part of pop culture since the 60's. People didn't tire of batman, they got tired of Batman being so s**t. Which is why I said if they look after the franchise then they could easily make a billion every 4-5 years, lord knows they have 70 years worth of material to draw from.

Iron Man is different, he's only gotten big with the public in the past 5 years and a large part of that is the guy who plays him. I can almost guarantee you that if they recast him and put out Iron Man 4 in 2-3 years theres no way that's making a billion. So you are right in that regards they really should leave a bit of time.

And yes I'd love a black panther film, we need more black superheroes for the mainstream public.

This. All day long, this.
 
Batman is incomparable, he's been an integral part of pop culture since the 60's. People didn't tire of batman, they got tired of Batman being so s**t. Which is why I said if they look after the franchise then they could easily make a billion every 4-5 years, lord knows they have 70 years worth of material to draw from.

Iron Man is different, he's only gotten big with the public in the past 5 years and a large part of that is the guy who plays him. I can almost guarantee you that if they recast him and put out Iron Man 4 in 2-3 years theres no way that's making a billion. So you are right in that regards they really should leave a bit of time.

And yes I'd love a black panther film, we need more black superheroes for the mainstream public.


It's been the RDJ show since day one.
 
It's been the RDJ show since day one.

It's going to be real interesting when he leaves. Better yet, it's going to be interesting when Thor the Dark World is release. I'm anticipating it like crazy but if the grosses for that film aren't marginally better than the first, then we'll know what the audiences really want from this shared universe.

They want RDJ as Tony Stark. Everyone else is a supporting character. Some might even be a distraction.
 
Downey stood out, that's the thing. He literally made Tony Stark his own, people associate him with the character. Hemsworth, Evans, and Ruffalo all did their thing but they ain't demanding what he is a picture. I would even say while Bale did a good job, he wasn't so spectacular that no one else could ever play Batman, Goyer's comments notwithstanding.
 
The issue for me is that there really hasn't been any attempt on Marvel's part to cement the actual Iron Man character on film, they've essentially left it up to RDJ to be the glue holding the character together. Good news for RDJ coz it means he can pretty much ask for as much as he wants in order to play the character going forward.
 
The issue for me is that there really hasn't been any attempt on Marvel's part to cement the actual Iron Man character on film, they've essentially left it up to RDJ to be the glue holding the character together. Good news for RDJ coz it means he can pretty much ask for as much as he wants in order to play the character going forward.

Can't really disagree with that. That's one of the main problems with Iron Man 2, if not the main problem.
 
I must say, it will be interesting to see what happens with Iron Man should RDJ stop playing him.

Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man are superheroes that transcend comic books. They've been cemented in pop culture, so it ultimately isn't too big of a deal when they switch actors. In fact, I think the character of Spider-Man was the main draw for the Raimi trilogy, not necessarily Tobey Maguire. But with Iron Man, it seems different.
 
I must say, it will be interesting to see what happens with Iron Man should RDJ stop playing him.

Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man are superheroes that transcend comic books. They've been cemented in pop culture, so it ultimately isn't too big of a deal when they switch actors. In fact, I think the character of Spider-Man was the main draw for the Raimi trilogy, not necessarily Tobey Maguire. But with Iron Man, it seems different.

Him leaving will test whether or not general audiences are really invested in the cinematic universe Marvel's weaving.
 
The simple question is if Iron Man is cemented in pop culture by the MCU. The one problem is that it isn't really Tony Stark, more RDJ.
 
The simple question is if Iron Man is cemented in pop culture by the MCU. The one problem is that it isn't really Tony Stark, more RDJ.

For him to be cemented, the next actor who plays him has to be in a set of Iron Man films that go beyond what RDJ delivered. They have to better than great. If that happens, you might be able to put Iron Man in that category.

It's all going to depend on the Iron Man films without RDJ. Their level of quality in comparison to RDJ's set of films.
 
Him leaving will test whether or not general audiences are really invested in the cinematic universe Marvel's weaving.

I'm especially interested in that situation, since so many fans think DC should copy the MCU approach.
 
I've been somewhat reluctant to class Iron Man as a tier one superhero. There's no doubting he's firmly in the public conscious now, but a large part of that has to go to RDJ, even since the first IM trailer in 2007 he's been the star of the show not the character.
 
IMO, the only tier one superheroes are Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man. As I mentioned before, those three have transcended comics and have simply become pop culture icons. Everyone else may be popular for a certain amount of time, but those three are pretty much untouchable.
 
I must say, it will be interesting to see what happens with Iron Man should RDJ stop playing him.

Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man are superheroes that transcend comic books. They've been cemented in pop culture, so it ultimately isn't too big of a deal when they switch actors. In fact, I think the character of Spider-Man was the main draw for the Raimi trilogy, not necessarily Tobey Maguire. But with Iron Man, it seems different.

Iron Man will live on without RDJ. I'm not saying it'll be easy to replace him as Tony Stark, but they'll manage. I'd venture to say it would help the next movie's draw if it didn't have him in it (provided they leave enough time between films). A switch in actor and tone can go a long way in breathing new life into a franchise.

Him leaving will test whether or not general audiences are really invested in the cinematic universe Marvel's weaving.

I think the Avengers was the first test of that, and it passed the test. Kind of by a lot.
 
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