Iron Man 3 The IRON MAN 3 News & Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 14

[jmc]

I always had Hulk on that list as well but I think given the lack of interest in Hulk solo films he's not quite as high as I thought. I think Avengers showed that Hulk's place is better suited to an ensemble film than it is in a solo film, I think most people just want to see him smashing crap.

 

[Crimson King]

I always had Hulk on that list as well but I think given the lack of interest in Hulk solo films he's not quite as high as I thought. I think Avengers showed that Hulk's place is better suited to an ensemble film than it is in a solo film, I think most people just want to see him smashing crap.

I would agree with that. Hulk works best in an Avengers-like setting.

 

[jmc]

I think the Avengers was the first test of that, and it passed the test. Kind of by a lot.

The Avengers being a success and people having a vested interest in the MCU are two very different things. In a theatre that was 80% full when I saw IM3 only a dozen people stayed for the after scene. I don't think people give a damn about the MCU.

 

[Crimson King]

The Avengers being a success and people having a vested interest in the MCU are two very different things. In a theatre that was 80% full when I saw IM3 only a dozen people stayed for the after scene. I don't think people give a damn about the MCU.

Wow. That's quite a statement. I guess if we're only going on anecdotal evidence to decide these things, EVERYONE gives a damn about the MCU because people I know who never heard of these guys before the MCU started are now asking me what character is going to show up in the after-credits scenes.

 

[BigThor]

It's going to be real interesting when he leaves. Better yet, it's going to be interesting when Thor the Dark World is release. I'm anticipating it like crazy but if the grosses for that film aren't marginally better than the first, then we'll know what the audiences really want from this shared universe.

Very true, you make a pretty good point.

 

[GoldGoblin]

You would think our country would get to see this movie first,what the crap.

 

[J.Howlett]

The Avengers being a success and people having a vested interest in the MCU are two very different things. In a theatre that was 80% full when I saw IM3 only a dozen people stayed for the after scene. I don't think people give a damn about the MCU.

Can we wait until Thor 2 before we say this? You might be right but we'll see.

 

[jmc]

Wow. That's quite a statement. I guess if we're only going on anecdotal evidence to decide these things, EVERYONE gives a damn about the MCU because people I know who never heard of these guys before the MCU started are now asking me what character is going to show up in the after-credits scenes.

Hey, it's just a sample but it says something to me, either people aren't aware of the post credit sequences (still) or people aren't as caring about the whole MCU as you may think. Hell I'm not even sure Marvel is given how self contained IM3 is. But as J. How says we'll know more by the time Thor 2 rocks up.

 

[J.Howlett]

Hey, it's just a sample but it says something to me, either people aren't aware of the post credit sequences (still) or people aren't as caring about the whole MCU as you may think. Hell I'm not even sure Marvel is given how self contained IM3 is. But as J. How says we'll know more by the time Thor 2 rocks up.

Unfortunately, there's a possibility that we might not know the answer even then. Thor 2 has two weeks to make bank before the behemoth is released worldwide.

 

[Crimson King]

Hey, it's just a sample but it says something to me, either people aren't aware of the post credit sequences (still) or people aren't as caring about the whole MCU as you may think. Hell I'm not even sure Marvel is given how self contained IM3 is. But as J. How says we'll know more by the time Thor 2 rocks up.

Avengers doesn't happen unless there's an MCU. After-credits scenes alone don't make up the concept, but the point stands: your one experience doesn't prove or disprove anything. I can't remember a single pre-Avengers movie where more than 20% of the audience stayed behind during my viewings. Somehow, these same theaters were filled to the max for weeks when Avengers came out.

We will definitely know more about the character of Thor after Thor 2 comes out. And when Cap comes out we'll know more about the audience's feelings about Cap. When Avengers 2 comes out, we'll have a great idea how people feel about the MCU as a whole.

 

[jmc]

Avengers doesn't happen unless there's an MCU. After-credits scenes alone don't make up the concept, but the point stands: your one experience doesn't prove or disprove anything. I can't remember a single pre-Avengers movie where more than 20% of the audience stayed behind during my viewings. Somehow, these same theaters were filled to the max for weeks when Avengers came out.

We will definitely know more about the character of Thor after Thor 2 comes out. And when Cap comes out we'll know more about the audience's feelings about Cap. When Avengers 2 comes out, we'll have a great idea how people feel about the MCU as a whole.

No one experience doesn't prove or disprove anything, however in a post-Avengers world the shear fact that a similar percentage of people stayed for the IM3 as did for other Marvel films makes me raise an eyebrow because I honestly thought the MCU would be a bigger deal in phase 2. I'll wait til Thor 2 to pass proper judgement.

 

[J.Howlett]

Avengers doesn't happen unless there's an MCU. After-credits scenes alone don't make up the concept, but the point stands: your one experience doesn't prove or disprove anything. I can't remember a single pre-Avengers movie where more than 20% of the audience stayed behind during my viewings. Somehow, these same theaters were filled to the max for weeks when Avengers came out.

We will definitely know more about the character of Thor after Thor 2 comes out. And when Cap comes out we'll know more about the audience's feelings about Cap. When Avengers 2 comes out, we'll have a great idea how people feel about the MCU as a whole.

jmc's point is still valid. General audiences bought into Phase One because we knew we were about to witness something unprecedented. It took four years but it happened.

Avengers 2 will just be another film now. It won't be new. Neither are the solo sequels. You can't sell the "team up's coming" aspect again. They've done it. You have to sell the quality of movies now and the fact that they're pushing the envelope with these new sequels.

This is why losing RDJ right now is very dicey more Marvel/Disney.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

IMO, the only tier one superheroes are Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man. As I mentioned before, those three have transcended comics and have simply become pop culture icons. Everyone else may be popular for a certain amount of time, but those three are pretty much untouchable.

I'd put Wolverine in there too.

 

[Crimson King]

jmc's point is still valid. General audiences bought into Phase One because we knew we were about to witness something unprecedented. It took for years but it happened.

Avengers 2 will just be another film now. It won't be new. Neither are the solo sequels. You can't sell the "team up's coming" aspect again. They've done it. You have to sell the quality of movies now and the fact that they're pushing the envelope with these new sequels.

This is why losing RDJ right now is very dicey more Marvel/Disney.

I agree with what you're saying, but I'm not sure how it ties in to JMC's quote, which was that no one gives a damn about the MCU. I find that ridiculous, given the fact that Avengers, which was the embodiment of the concept, made 1.5 billion freaking dollars.

But like I said, I agree with you. Avengers 2 won't have the novelty of a superhero team-up. It's a much better barometer of the MCU as a whole. Thor 2 won't be. Cap 2 won't be. Those will reflect the audience's acceptance of those characters.

 

[The Batman]

I'd put Wolverine in there too.

I wouldn't. Wolverine may be uber popular in the comics, but in the mainstream he is definitely not on Superman/Batman/Spider-Man's level. The X films have never had Spider-Man/TDK/Avengers type success either.

 

[jks]

Don't know if its been brought up, but I found it interesting that

Spoiler

at the end of the credits and all it says "tony stark will return" instead of ironman will return

 

[jmc]

I agree with what you're saying, but I'm not sure how it ties in to JMC's quote, which was that no one gives a damn about the MCU. I find that ridiculous, given the fact that Avengers, which was the embodiment of the concept, made 1.5 billion freaking dollars.

But like I said, I agree with you. Avengers 2 won't have the novelty of a superhero team-up. It's a much better barometer of the MCU as a whole. Thor 2 won't be. Cap 2 won't be. Those will reflect the audience's acceptance of those characters.

Because Avengers success was never about the MCU, it was because the film was a freakin' blast to watch. It didn't really matter who the superheroes were or who the villain was, it was an epic piece of popcorn entertainment, hell on more than one occasion someone asked me why Green Lantern wasn't in the movie. The MCU was a secondary thing in phase one to the vast majority.

 

[J.Howlett]

Don't know if its been brought up, but I found it interesting that

Spoiler

at the end of the credits and all it says "tony stark will return" instead of ironman will return

To me, that's a sly signal from Feige that fans should prepare themselves for another Tony Stark.

Just my opinion and it works thematically with the film but it feels like he's giving fans a heads up...

 

[Crimson King]

Because Avengers success was never about the MCU, it was because the film was a freakin' blast to watch. It didn't really matter who the superheroes were or who the villain was, it was an epic piece of popcorn entertainment, hell on more than one occasion someone asked me why Green Lantern wasn't in the movie. The MCU was a secondary thing in phase one to the vast majority.

In the interest of not hogging this thread with Avengers talk, I'll just say that I totally disagree.

 

[mkilban2]

Just got around to seeing it, going to need another viewing to properly assess it but it was probably my favorite MCU movie so far. Great personal journey, all villains were used well and each seemed to be an actual threat, loved the ending battle and ending scenes.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

That has to be the best ending battle that a solo mcu movie has had so far. While I had my problems and preferences, Killian was badass. Most badass villain the MCU has had in terms of abilities. I actually wouldn't mind seeing him show up in the Masters of Evil.

 

[mkilban2]

That has to be the best ending battle that a solo mcu movie has had so far. While I had my problems and preferences, Killian was badass. Most badass villain the MCU has had in terms of abilities. I actually wouldn't mind seeing him show up in the Masters of Evil.

And on top of all those it was a lengthy battle, we haven't really seen that yet.

 

[DyeLorean]

My eyes were all over the place in that final battle. I wanted to see the armors as much as possible. There was so much going on at the same time, I didn't know where to look at.

 

[peterparker0077]

btw Crimson King, love the avatar...

 

[Whiskey Tango]

So, Szostak's Ellen Brandt - relative of Senator "Somebody get that kid a sandwich" Brandt?