The Dark Knight The James Gordon / Gary Oldman Thread

[jimmy]

In your jesus christ pose. . .

 

[Luchastyle]

when gordon smashed the bat signal, there were several angry people behind him. almost as if they were forcing him to do it. it was raining and everyone was yelling. it was like an angry mob.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Why the hell does Gordon destroy the bat signal? That seems very very STUPID to me. Its like Nolan is destroying elements from the comics....the tumbler, Wayne Manor, and now the bat signal?

Maybe he destroys it because Joker wants to use it to call Batman to set up a trap?

At the end, does Gordon stand on the top of GPD with a flair gun, and when Batman arrives, says "I couldn't find any bat signals...I destroyed it...lol" or some crap?

 

[BatSpider]

maybe its a trick on joker to think hes against batman

 

[Crook]

when gordon smashed the bat signal, there were several angry people behind him. almost as if they were forcing him to do it. it was raining and everyone was yelling. it was like an angry mob.

Hmm, are you sure about the yelling part? I sorta remember a crowd just grimly standing there in the rain waiting for Gordon.

As for Gordon being targeted, it's happening. In fact, it's been highly hinted at (the whole Jow situation). I would love it if Joker killed off his wife though.

 

[William_C]

I'm curious as to how they come to that scene. I think its because maybe Batman has crossed a line somewhere, or the public is turned against him some how and Gordon succumbs to the mob, but to corrupt cops. I can picture the cops threatening Gordon's family in order to put pressure on him and destroy the bat signal in a attempt to trick everyone to thinking the no longer need Bats.

 

[BatSpider]

maybe joker kills his wife and gordan is so pissed that he COULDNT save her?

 

[Lead_Tester]

his son is raped violently by the joker while gordon is watching....
after that the joker says:

one bad day...

 

[BatSpider]

wait, that BATMAN couldnt save her

 

[Lead_Tester]

maybe joker kills his wife and gordan is so pissed that he COULDNT save her?

i really hope that something like it is included in the movie.

 

[BatSpider]

rephrease all of it


Gordan is pissed that Batman couldnt save his wife when joker kills her so he smashes the signal thinking theres no need for him anymore

 

[MMoralN10Tion]

From what I've gathered so far based on details surrounding the film along with Ledger's reported influences behind his Joker portrayal, methinks Gordon could be in for one hell of a 'dark' ride.
Here's why:

1) Ledger himself cited The Killing Joke among the works he drew inspiration from in crafting his vision of The Joker. Fans of the TKJ can clearly remember how Gordon is nearly pushed over the edge here through the machinations of Joker.

2) Gordon is no stranger to the loss of a loved one at the hands of a crazed murderer (i.e., Joker). Let's not forget Sarah Essen-Gordon.

3) In the 7 minute prologue to TDK, reports indicate that a wide-eyed Gordon is seen swinging an axe and ultimately crashing it down on the bat-signal. What could this mean? Resentment toward Batman for helping spawn The Joker and others of his ilk? Mind control of sorts? Who knows? There's a definite story there. Somewhere.

I'm sure I might have left out a reason or two to support my reasoning, but what has been stated above should be more than enough to get you thinking about the probability of Gordon and/or his loved ones being victimized for the sole purpose of driving the former mad.

Of course, it's unlikely that Sarah Essen will be introduced in the film as Gordon's mistress which leads me to believe that Gordon's current wife (portrayed in TDK by Melinda McGraw) just might be a potential target.

Any thoughts?

I see where you're comming from, however, Ledger said he drew inspiration from that Joker, not story.

That's true, and that could actually happen. Joker targeting Gordan's family...

Why would he destroy it? I'm guessing someone set a trap or something. It wasn't resentment over Batman. Remember, in Begins the Joker was introduced at the end, so he basically, for the most part, already existed.

 

[TheBatman072]

Gordon is really Batman's father.



Who was once his mother.

 

[Symbiotic]

his son is raped violently by the joker while gordon is watching....
after that the joker says:

one bad day...

Yeah. Uh, not in this movie I don't think man.

 

[Hole Shot]

it is a possibility...though its more likely that his family will be targeted

A failure by Batman in that area could be the reason for the Batsignal smash.

 

[JackBauer24]

My prediction is that a lot of the Joker/Gordon plot from The Killing Joke will be in there... but with Dent instead of Gordon. And with Joker succeeding this time.

 

[MMoralN10Tion]

A failure by Batman in that area could be the reason for the Batsignal smash.

Why would he take it out on Batman though? I mean, when people are killed, do they take it out on the cops?

 

[bkey]

At some point in the movie, Gordon alerts Commissioner Loeb that he is going to fake his own death, because either he feels that either he or his family will be threatened. Detective Stephens alerts Gordon's wife, Barbara about his death. She becomes very upset and blames Batman for it. Later, Gordon "returns from the dead" sometime after Loeb is killed by the Joker.

 

[Hole Shot]

Why would he take it out on Batman though? I mean, when people are killed, do they take it out on the cops?

Even if the greatest cop in Gotham could be overtaken by grief and let his emotions get the better of him.

 

[BatJeff7786]

Why the hell does Gordon destroy the bat signal? That seems very very STUPID to me. Its like Nolan is destroying elements from the comics....the tumbler, Wayne Manor, and now the bat signal?

Well it's just a searchlight with a bat on it. It's not like they can't build another one (which they probably will by the time the film is over).

 

[BatSpider]

WTF?

 

[BatSpider]

at bkey comment

 

[bkey]

at bkey comment

At some point in the movie, Gordon alerts Commissioner Loeb that he is going to fake his own death, because either he feels that either he or his family will be threatened. Detective Stephens alerts Gordon's wife, Barbara about his death. She becomes very upset and blames Batman for it. Later, Gordon "returns from the dead" sometime after Loeb is killed by the Joker.

These scenes are from a call sheet from the Chicago filming. I believe it was Anjow who originally posted it, but it might have been someone else.

 

[BatSpider]

bkey, i think that would happen in a little kids version of the film

 

[bkey]

bkey, i think that would happen in a little kids version of the film

Trust me bud I know what I'm talking about.