Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[LoganGambit87]

I don't want all this story to be just one mad person's imagination, that would be awful way to end the movie, I really hope that they are not going there, but looking at Arkham Hospital in the trailer makes me uncomfortable for this very reason.

dont think that would be awful at all let us not forget famous joker quote

"If I have to have a past, then I prefer it to be multiple choice"

 

[Gothamsknight]

I've heard this theory going around and I would honestly hate it if they did that.

I would too, tbh. It would waste everything


I personally love the idea of Joker telling this story in Arkham that may end up not being true. Joker has alluded to it in the killing joke and in TDK, so I feel it would be perfect. It's part of his character

 

[DarkKnight88]

Obviously that “theory” is wrong.

Like back in the day when some morons online swore Batman Begins was a prequel to Batman 89.

 

[Jekecy]

I would too, tbh. It would waste everything


I personally love the idea of Joker telling this story in Arkham that may end up not being true. Joker has alluded to it in the killing joke and in TDK, so I feel it would be perfect. It's part of his character

I don’t mind the unreliable narrative approach, but I would hope they put more effort than simply painting it with a “it was all made up!” brush.

That may have worked for Usual Suspects in the 90s because it was fresh and exciting, but I don’t think it aged well as a storytelling method.

 

[Jericholyte]

So, one thing that really stands out in this trailer, to me, which I feel is weird and possibly worrisome: at no point in it is the Joker actually doing anything bad. At least, such as you can clearly tell. Without knowing who the character is supposed to be, would you even recognize he's supposed to be a villain at all?

This has got me thinking, particularly with the shot of him entering the hallway with the feather duster...

What if the film, in a similar way to The Voices, is told at least in part from his “deranged” perspective? Then, at the end, or after each ‘event’ we see the reality of the situation (was the feather duster actually a shotgun for instance?) and that could be where the sympathy / hatred relationship comes into play.

 

[Jericholyte]

There's no reason for him to kill Bruce.

There was a theory going around that Arthur could be Thomas’s illegitimate son and so there could be motivation for this.

 

[Greens]

Imagine if the scene where Fleck forces a smile on Bruce's face is after he kills Thomas/gets Thomas killed.

 

[Nardz937]

One of the actors in the film has a podcast. In the latest episode he talks about the film and working with Joaquin and his performance. Don't think I can directly post it here because the podcast has foul language, but look "The Fighter and The Kid- Episode 449" and skip to the 30:43 mark.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Inception.

I don't think that counts since the movie's premise is that most everything happens in a dream.

 

[Rocanrol]

I wouldn't mind revealing through subtle hints that Joker is an unreliable narrator, maybe with some dream-like sequences. This is HIS movie at the end of the day. And obviating the mirrorings examples of Travis Bickle, Rubert Pupkin and even William Foster; I would like to quote Kirk Douglas on the controversy about glorification of violence and apologia of crime (regarding the twitter comments):

"Michael's character is not the 'hero' or 'newest urban icon'. He is the villain and the victim. Of course, we see many elements of our society that contributed to his madness. We even pity him. But the movie never condones his actions."

 

[MrsKent26]

I can understand the complaints about "it's all a dream" given that such an ending would erase any impact the Joker had upon the outside world and essentially force an inert story to occur entirely within his brain. I'd rather see the interplay between situations where his oddness impacts/frightens society and situations where society contributes to the very same oddness that it hates/fears instead.

However, I don't think "it's all a dream" is that common of a trope in dramas like this, so I'm not worried about it.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

 

[Gothamsknight]

Perfection! And they left letoker out, which is a damn good thing they did.

 

[The Joker]

Nice. Love the art work.

Perfection! And they left letoker out, which is a damn good thing they did.

Also missing a certain Gotham TV show Joker.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Also missing a certain Gotham TV show Joker.

Thankfully. Cameron does a good job with what he's given, but yeah that's not the Joker.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Also missing a certain Gotham TV show Joker.

Perfection

 

[StarLord]

Francavilla is the man. His horror film related artwork is astounding.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[DarkKnight88]

Kill it with fire!

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Kane52630]

Kill it with fire!

 

[Deck Rickard]

I saw that promo of Gotham's final stage Joker. I don't know if it's possible to have worse Joker than Leto's interpretation but it's good to see that WB is trying.

 

[Arachnerd]

lol Kane I wouldn't bother trying.

Clearly Cameron Monaghan is the worst 'Joker' to ever grace the screen, said fanboys who probably haven't watched any episode with him sans the interrogation scene from season 1.

 

[Enriquespy]

I've heard that the actor is great, but the particular way they made this "Joker" and the dialogue are the disappointing ones.

 

[DarkKnight88]

It’s like a little league team trying to get recognition in the major leagues.

It’s not going to happen.