Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[Arachnerd]

You're right, I haven't. But it doesn't mean I'm gonna go into the movie with my mind already made up on loving it (or in two critics' cases, hating the movie for what it stands for). There's a difference.

 

[brandeezy89]

My problem is less "Critics making up their minds before" and more "I don't like this movie because it reflects on society today". I mean there's literally a Top Critic who gave it a rotten score and refused to rate it because she's scared it'll create serial killers out of loners.

 

[FatRobin]

Well this thread made a 180. From Oscars to critics suck real fast. I don't do highbrow cinema so this movie definitely isnt for my "90's action movies were peak cinema" tastes. But disagreeing with critics before you see the movie is crazy. Literally someone said critics have already made up their minds about the movie... but the person criticizing the critics hasn't seen the movie.

Well, I can't say that the new reviews are wrong, I haven't seen the movie either. I just think that it's strange how a movie as bad as the new reviews are saying could receive so many good praises from critics in Venice. It's just weird and by logic it must not have been because of the film's quality, in my humble opinion.

 

[Closerframe]

It seems most of the negative reviews are coming from critics who either had preconceived/half-baked views of the film before even seeing it or are complaining about its slow pace. I really wonder how critics today would deal with Taxi Driver, Requiem for a Dream, or A Clockwork Orange if they were released today.

 

[TheFuture]

Someone tell me Toronto is the last stop before WW release? Not sure I can put up with a month of this.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I don't really get why some people are so up in arms over the reviews. Do people remember the overall consensus on the idea for this movie a year ago? nobody gave a ****. Now, we have people agreeing that phoenix is giving an incredible performance, and that the film is damn good. We are lucky the film is getting the kind of response its getting. Just wait until it comes out to form your opinion.

 

[Rocanrol]

Eh it doesn’t matter at all, the oscars are a sham and are fixed anyway.

 

[DeadPresident]

People’s issues around the reviews come from the fact that most of the criticism isn’t the art and its execution but some very over-reaching social commentary and reading the film through personal political lenses.

Understandably people who want the film to do well are a little disappointed that this isn’t simply being critiqued as a movie but clearly the 21st century Anarchist’s Cookbook inciting impressionable white incels to mass violence.

It’s a little odd that this specific movie is being cut into this intensely for covering sensitive social issues.

 

[hellblazer103]

In today's... ****... "Society"? It's not that odd at all.

Dave Chappelle's new stand up is great but of course it's getting trashed by RT critics for it's offensiveness. Can't even have comedy anymore.

 

[Rocanrol]

Every opinion is subjected to some kind of bias and personal commentary, it’s impossible to be otherwise. The problem would be trying to hide that partiality instead of embracing it and analyzing the movie with it.

Quantitative scores are a sham aswell but what do I know...

 

[Maze]

It seems most of the negative reviews are coming from critics who either had preconceived/half-baked views of the film before even seeing it or are complaining about its slow pace. I really wonder how critics today would deal with Taxi Driver, Requiem for a Dream, or A Clockwork Orange if they were released today.

Or Fight club, which was received as mixed as the Joker

 

[Micromind]

Someone tell me Toronto is the last stop before WW release? Not sure I can put up with a month of this.

New York Film Festival 2019 begins on 27th September, maybe Joker will be screened there as well. Dunno what this means..

 

[brandeezy89]

 

[TMP98]

New York Film Festival 2019 begins on 27th September, maybe Joker will be screened there as well. Dunno what this means..

Standby means they're sold out, and further tickets can only be bought on the day assuming people don't show up/show up too late

 

[terry78]

I feel the controversy is just gonna add to the box office. Which I am fine with.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

This sums up how people are going to look at this movie. As I have said before this movie is going to be too dark and real for some people.

 

[Micromind]

This sums up how people are going to look at this movie. As I have said before this movie is going to be too dark and real for some people.

Wasn't American Psycho a violent film ? There are many movies like that.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

Wasn't American Psycho a violent film ? There are many movies like that.

Agreed but different time and different era.

 

[Predator jp]

some people are too PG13 these days.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I said it before and I'll say again. A film about the Joker was always going to be this dark and real if we are diving into his mind. Not sure what the critics wh ohave a problem with that were expecting

 

[JimThompson]

I said it before and I'll say again. A film about the Joker was always going to be this dark and real if we are diving into his mind. Not sure what the critics wh ohave a problem with that were expecting

Something woke.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

I said it before and I'll say again. A film about the Joker was always going to be this dark and real if we are diving into his mind. Not sure what the critics wh ohave a problem with that were expecting

They were expecting Deadpool only maybe a little darker and in exchange got Taxi Driver. Once again when you think of comic book movie you think of something light and funny. Just like given the time we are in even Nolan's trilogy wouldn't get the praise it did and would be considered to dark and not for kids.

 

[Maze]

Dunno, dont forget Logan. Joker seem to strike a nerve on some people.

They were nervous before it, they are now. And of course, for some it's too dark, not that interesting, etc etc

anyways none of that matter, the only judge ( apart from yoursef) is how it stands tthe test of time (and especially in this era of over expected "event movie every month" )

 

[Gothamsknight]

Something woke.

I don't like that term because its often used from people to insult others for wanting more progressive representation in film, which isn't bad at all. I also hate when people use the term SJW as an insult. I think that in this case, Critics are just far too worried about some sort of psycho being inspired by this, but there's many other violent films over the years that haven't caused anything. We need to look at this film as a story about a character called the Joker and a possible origin for him, instead of being like "it's a good film but i hate it because it might inspire somebody". That's not how art works and it shouldn't have to work that way. If the film is of high quality, then it should be praised as such. This film is not meant to glorify the Jokers actions. Philips has said countless times there's a point where we can't feel bad for him anymore and it seems like critics don't understand any of this.

 

[CK Spider]

I mean, won't say if I agree or not because I haven't seen the movie yet, but what some are criticising isn't just "movie's violent and therefore people seeing it will replicate the violence". I agree that would be dumb. The thing is, Joker is being criticized by how it frames the violence, possibly justifying a character that has no business being justified because "society". Taxi Driver made it pretty clear Travis was a lunatic who shouldn't be idolized and serves as a cautionary tale. We can't know how Joker frames its protagonist without seeing it.

Again, I'll reserve my judgement until I actually see the movie, but let's not blindly defend it, too. Maybe you'll love the movie, maybe I'll love it too, there's certainly many critics who do, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.