Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[TheGuy]

As much as Joaquin Phoenix is legendary here, I seriously hope that this is a one and done (most likely) because it would over-saturate the character in cinema. Let Reeves' take (if he has one in mind) have some distance between this and his own. Reeves can obviously ask Phoenix if he would play the Joker again (with a different characterization, but highly unlikely) and it should be on his terms. Todd Phillips' work shouldn't interfere or hold back a superior filmmaker.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

 

[DA_Champion]

It's a small nitpick, but isn't it an issue that those Joker is like thirty or forty years older than Batman?

 

[Travesty]

It's a small nitpick, but isn't it an issue that those Joker is like thirty or forty years older than Batman?

I don't know....is he?

 

[KaijuDude1992]

Glad to see that this movie is raking in a lot of dough. I haven't gotten around to seeing it yet, but hopefully that changes this week. Loving all the positive reactions in this thread.

 

[TheVileOne]

I kind of never want to see this Joker meet the new Batman.

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

Michael Moore Calls ‘Joker’ a Masterpiece: ‘The Greater Danger to Society May Be If You Don’t See This Movie’

 

[Invader Joker]

It's a small nitpick, but isn't it an issue that those Joker is like thirty or forty years older than Batman?

No. Because Joker rarely is a physical threat to Batman and there are many criminal masterminds in real life that are 60 years old and yet give the FBI and police a hard time

 

[The Chris]

I kind of never want to see this Joker meet the new Batman.

Judging by how little there seems to be any good people at all in Gotham and also how Thomas Wayne was portrayed i wonder if Batman would even exist in this film's world. Definitely not as most of us know him i think. Also if he did how much of a threat would Arthur be to him personally? Joker may not be a physical threat to him but he's always been a mental one, and Arthur didn't show that level of threat to me.

 

[The Shape]

Going back for round 2 tonight with my wife. I just have to see it again.

 

[Predator jp]

‘Joker’ Beating ‘Venom’s Record October Box Office Record With $92M Opening – Deadline

so it made as much as Far From Home did with its opening weekend. impressive.

 

[FunkMiller]

Judging by how little there seems to be any good people at all in Gotham and also how Thomas Wayne was portrayed i wonder if Batman would even exist in this film's world. Definitely not as most of us know him i think. Also if he did how much of a threat would Arthur be to him personally? Joker may not be a physical threat to him but he's always been a mental one, and Arthur didn't show that level of threat to me.

I remain convinced that something as heroic and good as Batman could never exist in this nihilistic universe.

Punisher, maybe. Rorschach, very possibly. But not Batman.

 

[Chesterfield]

Saw this film earlier today and it was brilliant. Don't understand why some people are focusing on the violence. There's more violence in you average TV action show. This film was a brilliant character study of the Joker and highlighted the issues and neglect surrounding mental illness. What happened to the character was tragic and the film doesn't glorify his actions but exposes the dereliction of duty we as a society are guilty of that creates a problem by shunning the downtrodden and those in need; which could have been prevented; if we as a society took the time to give a damn about others. It's a fascinating, sad film about a sympathetic and broken man driven to the depths of his insanity by the negligence and harshness of society. Great film. Absolutely great. However, I'll add that anyone who uses this as an excuse to carry out atrocities is an idiot and deserves the highest possible penalty of the law. Films and games shouldn't be held responsible for people's recklessness.

 

[Rod]

On topic regarding how the success of Joker might affect Reeves Batman, as one more direct result, I'd suspect Hildur Guðnadóttir is really in a strong position to do the score for the movie now, especially as Giacchino (Reeves longtime colaborator and personal friend) hasn't been confirmed yet

 

[Travesty]

Judging by how little there seems to be any good people at all in Gotham and also how Thomas Wayne was portrayed i wonder if Batman would even exist in this film's world. Definitely not as most of us know him i think. Also if he did how much of a threat would Arthur be to him personally? Joker may not be a physical threat to him but he's always been a mental one, and Arthur didn't show that level of threat to me.

What are you talking about? It's Gotham City.

 

[The Chris]

What are you talking about? It's Gotham City.

Dude even in the worst Gotham city there's usually the good little person that needs to be protected. Even the little people are trash in this.

 

[Rod]

The Gotham City of this movie is really nostalgic, btw.

Streets and places are names of writers and contributors from all of the 80 years of Batman history!

The team has done really a lovely job with it. Great homage. Would really love a map.

 

[Holy Slapper]

Don’t know if they will, but they damned well should.

Well there was that Doom script that one guy sent to Feige before the Fox/Disney deal was completed. Though knowing the comic book background on Doom, I think a FF movie should come out first (because Doom and Richards interacted in college). The comic book background alone is enough material for it's own movie in my opinion and better presented that way than in a FF movie.

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[Arachnerd]

On topic regarding how the success of Joker might affect Reeves Batman, as one more direct result, I'd suspect Hildur Guðnadóttir is really in a strong position to do the score for the movie now, especially as Giacchino (Reeves longtime colaborator and personal friend) hasn't been confirmed yet

I honestly wouldn't mind it at all. She killed it in this movie, and the thought of her composing a Batman theme is almost making me salivate.

 

[Travesty]

Dude even in the worst Gotham city there's usually the good little person that needs to be protected. Even the little people are trash in this.

First of all, the movie didn't follow that many people. Second, are you telling me Sophia, Gary, Penny, Alfred, the detectives, Bruce, Thomas and Martha were all "trash people"? And you're specifically targeting Thomas. What, you didn't like how he was protecting his son from a psychopath?

If Gotham was mainly filled with good people, the cops would be able to handle them. The point, is that Gotham is so corrupt, that the city needs someone like Batman to help out, because there's just so much that needs to be done. It also shows how your regular Gothamite would follow psychos like The Joker or Two-Face.

Of course there's good people in Gotham, but it's Gotham. There's also plenty of seedy people filling the streets. It's kinda the point.

 

[Hollis Mason]

If i was a parent i would do the same thing Thomas did.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Going back for round 2 tonight with my wife. I just have to see it again.

It's even better the second time. Absolutely fantastic.

 

[BatLobster]

Michael Moore Calls ‘Joker’ a Masterpiece: ‘The Greater Danger to Society May Be If You Don’t See This Movie’

It's cool to see that the movie is getting this kind of praise and sparking this kind of discussion but...

I am not really a fan of Michael Moore's take here. I guess that means he was also rooting for Bane's "revolution" in The Dark Knight Rises? There was no part of me cheering for Joker in this film. I did feel sorry for Arthur, but his violent acts were despicable and really uncomfortable to watch.

This is where the film falls apart for me a bit. If the point of the movie is basically "society has problems", then....yeah, some of the critics kind of have a point about how it's a beautifully made, but kind of shallow film that thinks its way deeper and smarter than it is. Not that it's a not a totally valid and important thing to spotlight, but it does so in a fairly one-note and obvious way.

However...this is where interpretation comes into play, but for me the movie instantly becomes kind of brilliant for me when viewed through the lens that

Spoiler

the entire movie is Joker spinning one of his multiple choice origin stories. When you look the stories he told in TDK, it was always to paint himself as the victim, to lure someone in with the idea that his motives could be understood. I like to think the REAL Joker that we see at the end of the film would be having a good laugh at Michael Moore and anyone else who is looking at poor Arthur Fleck's story as a cautionary tale of a broken society. They're the ones projecting certain messages onto the film that may or may not be there, because the film is told through the POV of the ultimate unreliable narrator.

That said, I still think it's absolutely a testament to the film that it's bringing out these kinds of discussions. I don't want it to seem like I'm coming down on the movie. I really like it a lot, the more I think about it. But at the moment, it only truly works for me with that one interpretation, if I'm to accept it as a true "Joker" movie.