The Joker Thread - Part 1

[Eddie Dean]

Me looking for someone to play The Joker

 

[Captain Tired]

That was mainly in regards to him huffing a special formula of his own laughing gas. I'm mainly talking about actual drugs, like the hard stuff that makes people super violent

Like Alex DeLarge drinking spiked milk?

 

[AndyTrevino]

Like Alex DeLarge drinking spiked milk?

Basically, yeah.

 

[Captain Tired]

Well then good, that sounds agreeable.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Well then good, that sounds agreeable.

Or they can just be straight pills

 

[hellblazer103]

That was mainly in regards to him huffing a special formula of his own laughing gas. I'm mainly talking about actual drugs, like the hard stuff that makes people super violent

Well...

Like I keep saying myself...

MAKE Joker Venom an actual drug that people all over Gotham get addicted to.

 

[Captain Tired]

Gone too far.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Well...

Like I keep saying myself...

MAKE Joker Venom an actual drug that people all over Gotham get addicted to.

I think it's more horrifying when it's just used as a weapon.

 

[hellblazer103]

So you want him to inhale a special formula of it like a drug, but not to make it an actual drug that makes people violent?

I think Morrison's Joker even at least fantasizes about doing just that in RIP. Like there was some news report on the TV that I think he imagines or something where people are ripping each other's faces open and all that .

It's potentially much more damaging to the city to create an epidemic like that.

Gone too far.

I ain't gone far enough

 

[shauner111]

I’d like to see Joker as a horror/slasher movie myth. Like Candyman, Freddy Kruger etc. Maybe Batman doesn’t even know if he exists or not, as he’s investigating him. I guess they’ll use that for Court of Owls instead but it would be creepy.

 

[Eddie Dean]

 

[hellblazer103]

@AndyTrevino see, now that I mentioned Morrison, you like it all of a sudden

 

[AndyTrevino]

So you want him to inhale a special formula of it like a drug, but not to make it an actual drug that makes people violent?

I think Morrison's Joker even at least fantasizes about doing just that in RIP. Like there was some news report on the TV that I think he imagines or something where people are ripping each other's faces open and all that .

It's potentially much more damaging to the city to create an epidemic like that.



I ain't gone far enough

WAS it a fantasy?? The book makes it seem like it actually happened

 

[Captain Tired]

I've seen this whole mythic, semi-supernatural villain concept be talked about on a number of pages, and I always keep silent because all of you seem so into it. But honestly, none of that really sounds like the Joker to me.

One thing that seems to be a constant in the Joker throughout all his great incarnations is a sense of grandiosity and spectacle. I don't buy him wanting to remain in the shadows or be seen as merely a myth. The Joker would be all out there and making sure people knew he was a thing. Even in Joker when he's literally just starting out, he announces himself by murdering Murray Franklin on live television.

 

[AndyTrevino]

I’d like to see Joker as a horror/slasher movie myth. Like Candyman, Freddy Kruger etc. Maybe Batman doesn’t even know if he exists or not, as he’s investigating him. I guess they’ll use that for Court of Owls instead but it would be creepy.

The Court of Owls could be the myth, but Joker builds up a reputation for himself and there could even be evidence that supports the theory that he's some sort of demon or immortal being.

 

[AndyTrevino]

I've seen this whole mythic, semi-supernatural villain concept be talked about on a number of pages, and I always keep silent because all of you seem so into it. But honestly, none of that really sounds like the Joker to me.

One thing that seems to be a constant in the Joker throughout all his great incarnations is a sense of grandiosity and spectacle. I don't buy him wanting to remain in the shadows or be seen as merely a myth. The Joker would be all out there and making sure people knew he was a thing. Even in Joker when he's literally just starting out, he announces himself by murdering Murray Franklin on live television.

It's not even about him hiding in the shadows wanting to be a myth at all. It's about him screwing with people and seeming so freaky that he doesn't even feel human. Hiding under people's beds and stuff like that. The grandiose manner in which he makes his presence felt would still be there

 

[Eddie Dean]

I've seen this whole mythic, semi-supernatural villain concept be talked about on a number of pages, and I always keep silent because all of you seem so into it. But honestly, none of that really sounds like the Joker to me.

One thing that seems to be a constant in the Joker throughout all his great incarnations is a sense of grandiosity and spectacle. I don't buy him wanting to remain in the shadows or be seen as merely a myth. The Joker would be all out there and making sure people knew he was a thing. Even in Joker when he's literally just starting out, he announces himself by murdering Murray Franklin on live television.

People are like “let’s turn joker in a literal demon from hell” and everyone is lie “yay!”

then I’m like “what if Joker was exactly the same as in the comics but an actress plays the role” and everyone is like “boo!”

 

[hellblazer103]

I've seen this whole mythic, semi-supernatural villain concept be talked about on a number of pages, and I always keep silent because all of you seem so into it. But honestly, none of that really sounds like the Joker to me.

One thing that seems to be a constant in the Joker throughout all his great incarnations is a sense of grandiosity and spectacle. I don't buy him wanting to remain in the shadows or be seen as merely a myth. The Joker would be all out there and making sure people knew he was a thing. Even in Joker when he's literally just starting out, he announces himself by murdering Murray Franklin on live television.

We're not really implying for him to not have all those qualities either, though . Think more to his original appearance when his voice is described as "droning,toneless" as he announces his murders or him seeming like a force of nature in TDK that just appears unexpectedly in and out .

People are moreso coming from the perspective of saying that he's not even human, just some evil presence that no one knows how they came about this world or why, we just know it's here

 

[Captain Tired]

Well alright, that's fair enough then, I guess. I'm still not especially enthused about the Joker being hinted to be a supernatural entity of some sort, but it's not a deal-breaker for me.

People are like “let’s turn joker in a literal demon from hell” and everyone is lie “yay!”

then I’m like “what if Joker was exactly the same as in the comics but an actress plays the role” and everyone is like “boo!”

Lol. Well hey, at least I'm consistent.

 

[hellblazer103]

Well alright, that's fair enough then, I guess. I'm still not especially enthused about the Joker being hinted to be a supernatural entity of some sort, but it's not a deal-breaker for me.

I'm not asking for him to breathe and juggle fireballs or some ****, just that I always viewed Joker as a sort of manifestation of the Devil himself, as far as Batman's universe goes anyway. It doesn't have to be in any "literal" sense. Again, I find myself bringing up Hannibal lol.

 

[Captain Tired]

No I know what you mean. I dunno, I guess I just find that sort of thing to be cringe and cliche at this point. All that heavy-handed, devilish imagery in Hannibal used to make me roll my eyes like crazy. Manhunter is the only time I've found Hannibal to be half as interesting or sinister as people always go on about. Hopkins was just absurdly ott for my tastes, and while Mads' performance itself was understated and fine, the imagery and dialogue surrounding his character was equally as ott for me.

 

[hellblazer103]

The show does kinda beat you over the head with it, but in this case I would tone it down maybe juuuust a bit .

I mean, hey...

"You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight??"

 

[Captain Tired]

He just likes the sound of it!

 

[hellblazer103]

He just likes the sound of it!

Well, there you go lol

Burton had that element . Nolan had that element, but not so explicitly stated.

I just want that element brought back to the character/emphasized again because I feel like it's truly part of what actually makes Joker scary and compelling and people don't really seem to remember/consider it much .

Not that Suicide Squad matters much or anything, but when they had Joker yet kept making Waller out to be the "devil" of the movie and all I was kinda just like "wrong character" lol

Even the Phoenix movie you could argue features a "fallen angel" element

 

[AndyTrevino]

Well, there you go lol

Burton had that element . Nolan had that element, but not so explicitly stated.

I just want that element brought back to the character/emphasized again because I feel like it's truly part of what actually makes Joker scary and compelling and people don't really seem to remember/consider it much .

Not that Suicide Squad matters much or anything, but when they had Joker yet kept making Waller out to be the "devil" of the movie and all I was kinda just like "wrong character" lol

Even the Phoenix movie you could argue features a "fallen angel" element

That bugged me so much it's not even funny. "ShEs KrAzYeR tHaN hIm "