The Joker Thread - Part 1

[The Joker]

I think recasting would be fine here. I mean why would people want to carry on with something they didn't enjoy or even omit the character altogether when you can at least try and correct what went wrong?

The writing is the major problem. That is what primarily made Leto an awful Joker. Sure his acting was weak, but I blame that partly on Ayer's crap direction. We know Leto is a good actor. He can be a good Joker with a total revamp of the design and writing wise.

 

[bapi]

I think recasting would be fine here. I mean why would people want to carry on with something they didn't enjoy or even omit the character altogether when you can at least try and correct what went wrong?

Well, they probably want to keep that 'freak romance' cause that's what teens and girls like and these movies will make Leto a lot of money so wouldn't surprise me to see him in GCS.

 

[Wildcard]

They don't necessarily have to keep the 'freak romance' going forward. And in regards to "people carrying on with something they didn't enjoy" it's not as if everyone is against Leto's. I'd imagine a recast would do far more harm than good.

 

[bapi]

They don't necessarily have to keep the 'freak romance' going forward. And in regards to "people carrying on with something they didn't enjoy" it's not as if everyone is against Leto's. I'd imagine a recast would do far more harm than good.

Well, if they announced Jake G then probably most people would be very, very excited.

 

[Question]

All this talk of a recast is silly. Letoker was huge with the movie's intended demographic and recasting him would only please some hardcore fans that the studio barely cares about anyway. It would definitely cause more harm than good, unless they somehow managed to land someone bigger but there's a very remote chance of that. And besides, Leto is not some nothing actor, he's fairly big. Ditching him and essentially placing all the blame on Leto (they're keeping Ayer, remember?) could potentially alienate any future big names who would want to sign on into the universe.

I don't even think his look needs that much tweaking. Have him wear the purple more, take out the forehead tattoo, and you're basically good. The Joker's look can and has evolved over the years, the Leto Joker perfectly emulates criminals you see today. He has the Cartel look the same way that the original Joker looked like a 40s Mafioso.

 

[The Infernal]

The writing is the major problem. That is what primarily made Leto an awful Joker. Sure his acting was weak, but I blame that partly on Ayer's crap direction. We know Leto is a good actor. He can be a good Joker with a total revamp of the design and writing wise[\b].

If they can manage that and give a good performance then I'm fine.

 

[Tg11]

Unless they have the Joker wear the purple blazer and suit and take away the tattoos

 

[Wildcard]

All this talk of a recast is silly. Letoker was huge with the movie's intended demographic and recasting him would only please some hardcore fans that the studio barely cares about anyway. It would definitely cause more harm than good, unless they somehow managed to land someone bigger but there's a very remote chance of that. And besides, Leto is not some nothing actor, he's fairly big. Ditching him and essentially placing all the blame on Leto (they're keeping Ayer, remember?) could potentially alienate any future big names who would want to sign on into the universe.

I don't even think his look needs that much tweaking. Have him wear the purple more, take out the forehead tattoo, and you're basically good. The Joker's look can and has evolved over the years, the Leto Joker perfectly emulates criminals you see today. He has the Cartel look the same way that the original Joker looked like a 40s Mafioso.

Exactly. The Joker having tattoos is hardly a deal. I'd agree that we can just remove the forehead tattoo going forward and the rest would be perfectly fine. I'd also still have to disagree with those that say this new look will make him seem "dated" in time. He'll be no more dated than '40s Mafioso Joker.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Letoker was huge with the movie's intended demographic

Hot topic weirdos? Even so, I don't see this passion for him that you see.

and recasting him would only please some hardcore fans that the studio barely cares about anyway.

But only a few hardcore fans would care if he is recast.

It would definitely cause more harm than good, unless they somehow managed to land someone bigger but there's a very remote chance of that.

Who cares about bigger? How about better?

And besides, Leto is not some nothing actor, he's fairly big. Ditching him and essentially placing all the blame on Leto (they're keeping Ayer, remember?) could potentially alienate any future big names who would want to sign on into the universe.

That's a false binary. They could be ditching him because he made very little impression. They could be ditching him because he made a fool out of himself during filming. They could be ditching him to be cost effective. He's hardly irreplaceable.

 

[Wildcard]

Hot topic weirdos? Even so, I don't see this passion for him that you see.

That statement is getting old. Not everybody that's a fan of Leto's Joker is associated with Hot-topic. I'm certainly not.

But only a few hardcore fans would care if he is recast.

Who cares about bigger? How about better?

That's a false binary. They could be ditching him because he made very little impression. They could be ditching him because he made a fool out of himself during filming. They could be ditching him to be cost effective. He's hardly irreplaceable.

Obviously he made a big enough impression if the marketing was almost completely driven by him. They're not going to ditch him to be "cost-effective" or because they feel he didn't make a big enough impression. Discussing a recast at this point is as pointless as people hoping Anne Hathaway returns as Catwoman. It just won't happen.

 

[The Guard]

He was hired to be the DCEU's Joker, in Batman films and elsewhere. I don't see a recast happening.

 

[The Joker]

If Terence Howard can be recast as Rhodey, or Ed Norton as Hulk, then so can Letoker. Not that I think it will happen, but to say it's impossible or ridiculous is just false.

 

[shauner111]

If they want him gone, they'll get rid of him. I just don't think they want him gone right now.

 

[Jekecy]

I think it hinges on Reeves, if he does want to tackle the character in the future. Which I can't imagine he wouldn't want to.

 

[Wildcard]

He was hired to be the DCEU's Joker, in Batman films and elsewhere. I don't see a recast happening.

A recast won't happen. The fact that we keep discussing it every couple pages is ludicrous.

And it makes no sense bringing up someone who was screwed out of money (Terrence Howard) and another whose mouth was so big he talked himself out of a franchise (Ed Norton).

The parameters are different here. Leto isn't going anywhere.

 

[The Joker]

And it makes no sense bringing up someone who was screwed out of money (Terrence Howard) and another whose mouth was so big he talked himself out of a franchise (Ed Norton).

Why does it make no sense? They are just two examples of different reasons of why a recast can happen in a shared universe franchise. Is Leto somehow immune to having something happen that could have him leave the franchise?

The parameters are different here.

How exactly? Is there some iron clad reason that says Leto can't leave for financial reasons, or creative differences, or some other reason?

 

[Flint Marko]

Leto's Joker and his insufferable on-set behavior were the butt of many, many jokes that extended outside the superhero fan community. I'm sure there are people out there who enjoyed his 8 minutes of screen time, but nowhere near enough to pretend that the mere discussion of a recast is out of the question. Do I think it will happen? Not really, but who knows. It's clear that WB does not really have a plan at this point. But a recast is on the table, and I'd honestly be for it if the alternative is a continuation of the nonsense we saw in Suicide Squad.

 

[TheVileOne]

There's no reason they can't recast Joker if that's what they want to do.

Katie Holmes got recast in The Dark Knight by Maggie Gyllenhaal. It's not like there's no precedence for this in comic book movies.

Suddenly, Joseph Manganiello isn't even sure he's playing Deathstroke in this movie anymore.

 

[JOE]

A recast would be easy, especially with a heavily painted face like the Joker has. I don't think there's a huge demographic of Letoker worshipers out there as there were with Ledger. They could definitely get away with it, but that doesn't mean I think they'll do it.

Wasn't there conflict after the movie came out between Leto and the studio regarding all the scenes he filmed that didn't make the final cut?

As Joker said, Leto isn't immune to something happening between him and the studio to cause Leto to hand up the grills and tattoos.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

The writing is the major problem. That is what primarily made Leto an awful Joker. Sure his acting was weak, but I blame that partly on Ayer's crap direction. We know Leto is a good actor. He can be a good Joker with a total revamp of the design and writing wise.

Absolutely. This is the case for entire DCEU unfortunately. Some good/great actors looks so dull while others are cringeworthy.

They tried so hard to reinvent classics with some characters and it didn't work out well. Same goes for Lex and even probably Superman. Also they have fetish for flashy,into the face ways to characterize these heroes/villains instead of more subtle ways.

Maybe that's why Papa Kent had to die in out of nowhere tornado instead of more subtle death.

 

[Cobblepot]

I would say give him another chance. DC can do something different than Marvel by changing the characters a bit if need be. Like a comicbook every artist draws their characters different. No grey temples on Batfleck or Letoker a bit more classic looking Joker without the tats and a different demeanor. Little things.

 

[DeadStroke]

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Just saw the new #BladeRunner2049 trailer. Visually mind blowing. Slick, creepy and Jared Leto looks weird as all hell, which is a good sign


Funny feeling after this movie the theme will be "Maybe Leto just needs good material"

Its going to take some positive buzz to get more people on board with him back in the DCEU..

 

[Jekecy]

Leto's in great hands with Denis. Haven't seen a bad performance yet in any of his films. I've a feeling the hate will escape from Leto's side and over to Ayer's once BR2049 is out.

 

[DeadStroke]

Leto's in great hands with Denis. Haven't seen a bad performance yet in any of his films. I've a feeling the hate will escape from Leto's side and over to Ayer's once BR2049 is out.

Its no "Hunka Hunka" but a nice bit of dialogue here.

 

[thebatfan5194]

Hope they release that Blade Runner trailer soon, interested to see what Leto does with a director like Denis Villeneuve.