The Joker Thread - Part 1

[David H.]

Joaquin would come back if they let him gain weight as opposed to losing it.

 

[Boom]

Send in the clown.

He doesn't seem keen to go up against Batman. Sounds like if anything he wants another stand-alone Joker movie.

 

[Jekecy]

He doesn't seem keen to go up against Batman. Sounds like if anything he wants another stand-alone Joker movie.

With where the film leaves, hard to ignore the implications of their destined face-off. At least from a studio standpoint, they would have to be pushing for Batman.

Important thing is Joaquin's open to coming back. With the small glimpse we had of his fully formed Joker, I don't care at this point who that Batman is. Just give me one film of those two butting heads. I neeeeed it.

 

[Invader Joker]

The only way you can do a Joker sequel is to have Batman on it.

Having yet another 2 hours of nihilism and misery would risk feeling too self indulgent especially with Arthur now being the Joker. You need a counter balance to justify the story having a continuation. Otherwise the sequel would have no point other than to show "Here's Arthur... he's Joker now!"

 

[David H.]

Batman in Joker 2 should be an Adam West Batman.

 

[Black Narcissus]

After watching JOKER, I just can't see Reeves coming close to writing a take on the Joker that can be on par or even be two steps near to that. I'm hoping he can prove us wrong tho, it will surely challenge him as a creative person. If I were in his shoes, I leave a joker till the last of my trilogy, but who knows.

 

[FunkMiller]

The only way you can do a Joker sequel is to have Batman on it.

Having yet another 2 hours of nihilism and misery would risk feeling too self indulgent especially with Arthur now being the Joker. You need a counter balance to justify the story having a continuation. Otherwise the sequel would have no point other than to show "Here's Arthur... he's Joker now!"

Well...

Spoiler

maybe The Joker, anyway

 

[Black Narcissus]

It does make me angry/disappointed that we've just got a legendary Joker performance and he will never face this new Batman. You just know WB execs are thinking the same, but it won't happen.

 

[Jekecy]

It does make me angry/disappointed that we've just got a legendary Joker performance and he will never face this new Batman. You just know WB execs are thinking the same, but it won't happen.

Never say never. Even if it isn't Battinson, I'd be down for a one-time Batman performance to go against Joaquin.

 

[Invader Joker]

It does make me angry/disappointed that we've just got a legendary Joker performance and he will never face this new Batman. You just know WB execs are thinking the same, but it won't happen.

It wouldn't be surprised if now WB execs were begging Matt Reeves and Todd Philips to find a way to make it work.

Whether their pleas will work... unlikely, but that's probably what I'd do in their position.

 

[Invader Joker]

Never say never. Even if it isn't Battinson, I'd be down for a one-time Batman performance to go against Joaquin.

I have no idea which actor in the 23-33 age range would even be remotely capable of playing Batman going up against Joaquin other than Pattinson.

Seriously, Pattinson is about the only actor out there that'd even remotely manage to keep up. Who are you even going to hire? Lucas Hedges? They could find someone, but man that's gonna be a giant waste seeing how we already have a Batman that'd manage to keep up with Joaquin.

 

[Boom]

I just gotta be honest. I didn't leave this movie with any desire to see Phoenix's Joker take on Batman. Especially Pattinson's.

I can't explain it. Phoenix gave a visceral performance, right up there in the pantheon with Ledger, but I'm perfectly content with it being a one and done. In fact, I think I'd prefer it that way.

 

[Jekecy]

I just gotta be honest. I didn't leave this movie with any desire to see Phoenix's Joker take on Batman. Especially Pattinson's.

I can't explain it. Phoenix gave a visceral performance, right up there in the pantheon with Ledger, but I'm perfectly content with it being a one and done. In fact, I think I'd prefer it that way.

I'd be with you if it wasn't for that final Joker scene. Joaquin gave a tremendous performance -- as Arthur. But we only got a peek at what his Joker would be like.

And his "debut" might just be my favorite Joker moment of all time. It'd be the biggest cocktease to not see that play out.

 

[FatRobin]

 

[Eddie Dean]

I don't think as written Todd Philips' Joker is particularly interesting. He's a grab bag Travis Bickle / Rupert Pupkin / Freddie Quell with a vague movie sense of mental illness. Phoenix's performance alone is what makes the character work. Reeves created a far more complex and interesting villain in Koba in Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. I have no doubt that paired with Phoenix, Reeves' version would far surpass Philips' version.

And that's all a big if, anyways.

 

[BMCAABY]

Since Joaquin Phoenix is interested in taking on the role. I think a good way to go about it is to do a new classic comic book take on it. Have him pitted against Batman in the Robert Pattinson movie, this wouldn't be the continuation of the character from the JOKER movie however but a completely different character. I'd love to see what Joaquin does as the Batman's arch-nemesis Joker

 

[Invader Joker]

I just saw Joker.


If they don't find a way to tie this into the Batman, it'll be one of the biggest missed opportunities of all time. Maybe Reeves will manage to make a version of the Joker that'll change my opinion. But c'mon...

Spoiler

One of this movie's last shots is literally Bruce standing over his parent's dead bodies. Don't come at me with that bull**** you haven't thought about having this Joker fight against Batman, Philips.

And it's a movie called Joker releasing two years before a movie called The Batman. A movie that literally showcases Batman's origins and trails off from Arthur's perspective to show that.

The literally took their time to showcasea pretty visually comic accurate version of Batman's origins. Seriously, how the **** does that look like anything but a setup? They could've easily not shown that

Ah, and there's nothing in the universe that was presented in that film that makes me think "Oh. You couldn't have a comic book accurate Batman" here. It's gritty and grounded, but so is Batman Year One.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

I just gotta be honest. I didn't leave this movie with any desire to see Phoenix's Joker take on Batman. Especially Pattinson's.

I can't explain it. Phoenix gave a visceral performance, right up there in the pantheon with Ledger, but I'm perfectly content with it being a one and done. In fact, I think I'd prefer it that way.

I also saw Joker tonight, and the reason I don't want this version to go against Batman is because

Spoiler

Phoenix's Joker doesn't seem like that type of a villain who would hatch elaborate plans for Batman to respond to. He isn't like Dark Knight's Joker who's really driven to test society. Arthur Fleck was a very different yet fascinating character, and now his story has been told. There is no satisfying on-screen continuation for him

I'm not sure if I want any Joker vs Batman movies anymore. We've seen plenty of great material in film and animation already.

 

[Invader Joker]

We've only had two movies featuring Batman and Joker going against each other. One was 30 years ago, the other one was 11 years ago. We can deal with another one a few years down the line

 

[TheGuy]

Perfect look for a TDKR-esque Joker.

 

[TheGuy]

After Joaquin Phoenix, I could really see Joker becoming a prized role available only to the best of actors and directors. No room for any dumb take like Letoker.

 

[Jekecy]

I also saw Joker tonight, and the reason I don't want this version to go against Batman is because

Spoiler

Phoenix's Joker doesn't seem like that type of a villain who would hatch elaborate plans for Batman to respond to. He isn't like Dark Knight's Joker who's really driven to test society. Arthur Fleck was a very different yet fascinating character, and now his story has been told. There is no satisfying on-screen continuation for him

I'm not sure if I want any Joker vs Batman movies anymore. We've seen plenty of great material in film and animation already.

Spoiler

Did we watch the same movie? More than any other Joker this was one who's entire existence is a response to what society had become. They've set up the bases for a Batman that Joker has a personal infatuation to be engaged with. Both in the murky history of their possible relation, and how the prodigal son has risen to carry on his father's work of controlling how to mediate Gotham's moral structure.

 

[BMCAABY]

After Joaquin Phoenix, I could really see Joker becoming a prized role available only to the best of actors and directors. No room for any dumb take like Letoker.

Jared Leto is a fantastic actor but that take on it was probably the wrong decision.

 

[BattleAngel]

the Phoenix Joker leaves the road wide f’n open

 

[bapi]

The only way you can do a Joker sequel is to have Batman on it.

Having yet another 2 hours of nihilism and misery would risk feeling too self indulgent especially with Arthur now being the Joker. You need a counter balance to justify the story having a continuation. Otherwise the sequel would have no point other than to show "Here's Arthur... he's Joker now!"

They can sort of mix Morrison's Arkham Asylum with Cuckoo's Nest for Joker 2. Or make it a prison escape movie or whatever. Remember 15 years back Warners wanted to make a SuperMax with Green Arrow and cameos from the Joker, Two-Face etc. So many possibilities.