Have you seen my extensive Joker theories? Also there has been many rumors of his involvement in this film, and now Drops confirms it as far as I'm concerned. It isn't baseless at all.
That would almost be funny if I ever, ever, even just once suggested Him as Joker but whatever dude
For me it's about fitting into the somewhat grounded aesthetic while also standing out. Especially after seeing those recent set photos; I know it's a funeral and probably not the best representation of what Reeves is going for aesthetically, but everyone's wearing shades of black, so it makes sense for Joker to wear purple, even if it's a more minimalistic take on the classic suit.
I'm all for the dark and gritty, it's my preference, but I don't see anything more grounded and realistic about a subdued suit, vs a more colorful one. People wear really colorful clothing, no reason Joker can't. I think making sure it fits the aesthetic is more important, and to me the more toned down modern suits you're choosing fit the aesthetic less than something like a colorful 80s suit would. The realism comes from the logic behind it. Where Riddler's outfit is clearly all army surplus, make Joker's outfit a thrift store collage. Something in this area:
My thoughts exactly. You put it perfectly; Riddler's wardrobe is mainly "army surplus", largely about placing practicality over appearance with the army jacket, gloves, cold weather facemask, etc which fits the characterization. Joker, on the other hand, should probably own some fancy suits that he most likely stole during a closet raid. The 80s suits you posted really do fit that kitschy vintage style he usually goes for in the comics. AND they also give him that timeless feel that might help vaguely imply that he's older than we think like in the New 52.I'm all for the dark and gritty, it's my preference, but I don't see anything more grounded and realistic about a subdued suit, vs a more colorful one. People wear really colorful clothing, no reason Joker can't. I think making sure it fits the aesthetic is more important, and to me the more toned down modern suits you're choosing fit the aesthetic less than something like a colorful 80s suit would. The realism comes from the logic behind it. Where Riddler's outfit is clearly all army surplus, make Joker's outfit a thrift store collage. Something in this area:
Exactly!
Maybe not unkempt, but maybe washed out, like he's gotten more than enough use out of it (numerous wash cycles). Oh, and make it purple.
But as we saw at the funeral scene, the fashion aesthetic of this film is NOT that grounded. Reeves is using the campy, over the top real world styles of the 1980s to make the theatrical aesthetic of the comics grounded. I think the example of Gordon Gecko or any of the New Wave rock stars is a good example of how a very theatrical Joker can look of this world.
His hair looks a little gelled-up to me at least. I get that he's crazy but his hair and/or suits don't need to look it THAT much. And even if they ARE wrinkled, they look pretty clean otherwise.
That IS actually my argument for a more colorful Joker. Much less like a cosplayer and more like David Bowie OR.....a new wave Fred Astaire, if that makes sense. But I'd be perfectly fine with a range anyways; subdued and muted to colorful as well as everything in between.
If you're talking about Bowie's rather effeminate, charming kind of charisma specifically, I can't really name anyone off the top of my head. I feel like, for now at least (and even if someone tries to replicate his whole "thing" in the future, they probably won't come close), he's still essentially one of a kind.We often talk about a Bowie inspired Joker, but is there an actor out there that has his looks and charisma? I can't think of any (and please don't say Tilda Swinton).
I like that he's starting to branch out from his super awkward "teen popstar who caters to elementary school girls" roots but physically, he doesn't really remind me of Bowie.
I can kinda see that. As an artist, I feel like he DOES have potential. He just needs more time and creativity to shed that image.
