The Dark Knight Rises The Joker's Role in the Third Film

[Brother Jack]

Maybe I'm just not as big of a Depp fan. I think he is a fine actor but not so much as to justify him being talked about for every role, it's not like the man can do everything. That being said I do think he could fit as the Joker, possibly more than many other actors (he could definitely work as the Riddler as well). There's also the possible issue of him as an actor overshadowing the character (I'll call it the "Jack Nicholson factor"), where instead of seeing the Joker you'd just see Johnny Depp as the Joker.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Maybe I'm just not as big of a Depp fan. I think he is a fine actor but not so much as to justify him being talked about for every role, it's not like the man can do everything. That being said I do think he could fit as the Joker, possibly more than many other actors (he could definitely work as the Riddler as well). There's also the possible issue of him as an actor overshadowing the character (I'll call it the "Jack Nicholson factor"), where instead of seeing the Joker you'd just see Johnny Depp as the Joker.

The difference with that was, Jack didn't act that much different than he did while playing his other characters.

With Depp, I can't really see how someone could say "I only see Johnny Depp playing the Joker" because Depp never does the same thing twice. Look at all his roles, and you'd be hard pressed to find one and go "oh yeah..that's just Johnny acting like Johnny again."

He's never the same person, unlike Jack, who (while he is a great actor) does tend to play a very similar character most of the time.

 

[regwec]

That wouldn't happen with Depp, though, because his roles are varied and he does not automatically bring a certain style to all of them. Jack Nicholson like Clint Eastwood is an actor who is always going to be the actor he is no matter what part he plays; Depp will always become the part.

 

[Brother Jack]

With Depp, I can't really see how someone could say "I only see Johnny Depp playing the Joker" because Depp never does the same thing twice. Look at all his roles, and you'd be hard pressed to find one and go "oh yeah..that's just Johnny acting like Johnny again."

That wouldn't happen with Depp, though, because his roles are varied and he does not automatically bring a certain style to all of them. Jack Nicholson like Clint Eastwood is an actor who is always going to be the actor he is no matter what part he plays; Depp will always become the part.

That's probably all true. But I still think that he shouldn't be as mentioned as often as he is for stuff, not so much with the Joker but just in general. He may be very talented but like I said he can't do everything.

 

[Infinity9999x]

That's probably all true. But I still think that he shouldn't be as mentioned as often as he is for stuff, not so much with the Joker but just in general. He may be very talented but like I said he can't do everything.

Oh well, that's kind of the nature of the beast when you're on the internet. It's kind of unavoidable. Depp's also an unusual case because he's proven himself to be a great character actor, but he also has the looks to pull of a leading man role, and do it very well. There aren't a whole lot of actors like that out there. Pitt's become another that has this quality, and Heath was on his way to being there.

 

[Rodrigo90]

It would be Johnny Depp,being Johnny Depp. Johnny will be doing the same thing he always done...TOTALLY changing who he is,to ace the part he is playing. I aint complaining.

 

[maddie1988]

I had a strange thought that Ryan Gosling can pull off the Joker very well. What do you think? He is an Oscar nominee and did some very haunting roles (murder by numbers and stay). Of course his portrayal would be different from Ledger's. I imagine an even cleverer Joker.

 

[maddie1988]

It would be Johnny Depp,being Johnny Depp. Johnny will be doing the same thing he always done...TOTALLY changing who he is,to ace the part he is playing. I aint complaining.

I used to like Depp for that but now he's so stereotyped as the boozed hippie or really weird freaks with hats. I can't bear anymore of him.

 

[Alien Anal]

I think the next film will be totally different to TDK that it will not even matter if the Joker was never seen again.

 

[Crook]

I used to like Depp for that but now he's so stereotyped as the boozed hippie or really weird freaks with hats. I can't bear anymore of him.

Arguably the most versatile actor of his generation would be wrong, but you'd be thrilled with a teenaged Youtube actor who has only been doing impersonations?

 

[maddie1988]

Is someone trying to start an argument with me? Whatever.
Anyway, this forum is getting boring. Where's everybody?

 

[Crook]

No, I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm trying to figure out the rationale behind it.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I used to like Depp for that but now he's so stereotyped as the boozed hippie or really weird freaks with hats. I can't bear anymore of him.

Sterotyped? How exactly has he been sterotyped? How was his performances in Public Enemies, Pirates, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Finding Neverland, The Libertine, From Hell, Sweeny Todd, or Sleepy Hollow remotely similar?

You can only be sterotyped if you play the same kind of character multiple times. Johnny plays odd characters a lot, yes, but they're never similar. Jack and Wonka were both weird guys who wore hats, but they were completely different in terms of personality, tone of voice, and body movements.

 

[maddie1988]

Sterotyped? How exactly has he been sterotyped? How was his performances in Public Enemies, Pirates, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Finding Neverland, The Libertine, From Hell, Sweeny Todd, or Sleepy Hollow remotely similar?

You can only be sterotyped if you play the same kind of character multiple times. Johnny plays odd characters a lot, yes, but they're never similar. Jack and Wonka were both weird guys who wore hats, but they were completely different in terms of personality, tone of voice, and body movements.

He's like an overly sweet desert. I was delighted with the first bite, but I'm so utterly full that I can't take it anymore. Yes his roles were varied but he seems to repeat certain kinds of characters ever since Jack Sparrow? I probably won't watch him for at least 3 years.

 

[Infinity9999x]

He's like an overly sweet desert. I was delighted with the first bite, but I'm so utterly full that I can't take it anymore. Yes his roles were varied but he seems to repeat certain kinds of characters ever since Jack Sparrow? I probably won't watch him for at least 3 years.

I can understand someone getting tired of his overexposure, but what roles exactly do you think are similar? Finding Neverland was nothing like his character in the Libertine, or Public Enemies, or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, or Sweeny Todd.

I'm confused as to what character you think he's repeating? All his characters are vastly different. The only ones that I see as possibly being similar are Wonka and the Hatter, but I can't judge that since Alice hasn't come out yet.

Besides that though, I really don't see how you could think he's repeating the same character. What's similar about the roles he's played?

Also, I don't want you to think I'm attacking you. I'm just taking more of an interest in this because I'm a studying actor myself, and I tend to get more interested in subjects about acting.

 

[Crook]

I don't know why you're asking a flurry of questions to which you already know the answers to.

Depp hasn't repeated a role, and this "stereotype" critique ironically exists to type his chameleon-like abilities. It doesn't actually mean anything beyond "Depp can do any role given to him".

 

[Infinity9999x]

I don't know why you're asking a flurry of questions to which you already know the answers to.

Depp hasn't repeated a role, and this "stereotype" critique ironically exists to type his chameleon-like abilities. It doesn't actually mean anything beyond "Depp can do any role given to him".

I know, I just find it hard to believe when people say he plays similar characters. I'd give my right arm to be able to get to the level Depp has in terms of characterization. (Well, not really since it would severely limit the roles I could take, but you get the idea.)

 

[maddie1988]

I can understand someone getting tired of his overexposure, but what roles exactly do you think are similar? Finding Neverland was nothing like his character in the Libertine, or Public Enemies, or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, or Sweeny Todd.

I'm confused as to what character you think he's repeating? All his characters are vastly different. The only ones that I see as possibly being similar are Wonka and the Hatter, but I can't judge that since Alice hasn't come out yet.

Besides that though, I really don't see how you could think he's repeating the same character. What's similar about the roles he's played?

Also, I don't want you to think I'm attacking you. I'm just taking more of an interest in this because I'm a studying actor myself, and I tend to get more interested in subjects about acting.

He's repeating the eccentric character with a strange accent and attire: Edward Sissorhands, Jack Sparrow, Willy Wonka, Sweeny Todd, the Hatter, Dr Parnassus, and now he wants to play the Riddler. And he has two in production movies called the Rum Diary (probably another boozed hippie) and the Incredible Mr something...

 

[Infinity9999x]

He's repeating the eccentric character with a strange accent and attire: Edward Sissorhands, Jack Sparrow, Willy Wonka, Sweeny Todd, the Hatter, Dr Parnassus, and now he wants to play the Riddler. And he has two in production movies called the Rum Diary (probably another boozed hippie) and the Incredible Mr something...

I could call almost every character in any movie an "eccentric character with a strange accent and attire." Characters in movie's are always strange and unusual in some way shape or form, or else we wouldn't watch them.

However, while his characters are commonly unusual, they're not similar at all. Jack Sparrow as a completely different character from Wonka. The body mannerisims, the voice, the way they moved, their personalities, ect. ect. I'm very surprised you would put Wonka and Sparrow as similar characters. The same goes for Edward Scissorhands and Sweeny Todd. They were both completely different in demeanor and body movements. (I'd say vocal choice but Edward never talked.)

The characters are in no way the same. They're all unique and different. Yes, his characters are commonly unusual, but that's because Depp's a character actor at heart, he takes the more unusual roles because those roles are more fun than the leading man roles more often than not. (Honeslty, who would want to play Will Turner over Jack Sparrow?)

However, Depp has shown he can play the leading man roles, in movies like Finding Neverland and Public Enemies.

 

[Crook]

He's repeating the eccentric character with a strange accent and attire: Edward Sissorhands, Jack Sparrow, Willy Wonka, Sweeny Todd, the Hatter, Dr Parnassus, and now he wants to play the Riddler. And he has two in production movies called the Rum Diary (probably another boozed hippie) and the Incredible Mr something...

And each eccentric character has a different accent, different attire, different personality, different physical mannerisms, yadda-yadda-yadda. That's not playing the same character.

This is like saying Meryl Streep has played the same characters because they all have vaginas.

 

[maddie1988]

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[regwec]

I take the view that it would be a real shame and a waste never to see Depp have a go at such an iconic role that seems so well suited to him.

His Joker could be like Olivier's Hamlet or Schwarzenegger's T101.

 

[CELTICPRED]

Depp has Sparrow and Edward.

I don't want to see Depp anywhere near a Nolan film.

 

[hame4479]

If you take bits and pieces of wonka, sparrow, the mad hatter, and his role in public enemies, and then slap that makeup on him I'd gaurentee he would knock it out of the park. He has the look and **** loads of talent to back it up. I love Heath's take more than anyone, but the character is greater than the actor and Mr. J is batman's mirror he is always there lurking in the shadows, just waiting to make a mess of whatever is happening. I don't even want him to be the main villian, but he needs to be there in some kind of wildcard support status as he is in almost every great batman story.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I would like it he was a bit more like Hamils Joker. Johnny would nail that. 75% Heath and 25% Mark.