Justice League The Justice League General & Speculation Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 49

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Henry Cavill is right... it's time to move on. Nothing wrong with a group of fans who LOVED what Snyder did and wondering how it could've (and possibly should've turned out), but it is what it is.

Snyder and WB have clearly moved on and so should everyone else. Maybe in 10, 15, 20 years time when the wound is not as fresh and we can look back with more sensible eyes... WB might release something for a quick buck.

 

[Micromind]

I think Snyder and his supporters (fans and people who have worked with Snyder) hoped getting popular support (for "Snyder Cut") from getting social media, web-sites and press would increase the chances of getting the movie released.

But media and bloggers, cbm sites are mostly looking for some "news" that will generate clicks, they are not really supporting Snyder's cause, so their approach is to get fans hyped up while they are not doing anything constructive. (like asking tough questions to WB Execs.)

Studio is not looking forward to releasing Snyder Cut, they want to leave that movie behind and look forward to future, maybe they will at some point but not now. "Snyder Cut fanatics" are making things difficult by making other DC fans look worse.

 

[misslane38]

The words "snyder cut" should be banned from the internet. The whole thing is laughable. The movie was flop. The general public doesn't give a flip about any of this. It is just embarrassing all around. DC fans should just focus on things that are real and matter like the future of these properties and how to not have another critical flop and box office disappointment.

Whedon's and WB's movie was a flop. What Snyder's movie would have been we'll never know. His previous films fell short of lofty expectations, but at least they weren't flops. If the GA doesn't care, then they won't care if it's talked about or not talked about. Fans can focus on more than one thing at once.

 

[Micromind]

I think it's time to move on. If in future, WB releases the Snyder Cut in Bluray format / Streaming format, I will buy it, That's all.

 

[JerseyJoker]

Problem is...everyone did move on, specifically the weekend after JL came out, and everyone just decided to forget that movie was made cause it was so forgettable.

Its only the crazy people who keep thinking that the movie was a bigger deal than it was. Justice League is honestly one of the most forgettable big blockbuster films to come out, where after a week or so, nobody even talks about it or remembers it in the general public.

 

[misslane38]

"Snyder Cut fanatics" are making things difficult by making other DC fans look worse.

I think so too, but I'm curious what you think would be good advice to give such people to maybe get them to consider another approach and what that approach might look like.

Oddly enough, I'm thinking of BvS where Batman and Superman first confront each other on "fight night." I suppose I would want them to consider that lashing out is understandable, and by all means rant and vent, just do it privately or with friends to process the hurt and anger; don't direct it at other fans or professionals or get into battle mode. Also, appreciate that your efforts weren't pointless: you made friends, had fun with Snyder on Vero, got some teases, raised money for a good cause, and made enough of an impression that a studio and the media paid attention to you. Yes, they said no, but they acknowledged you. Sometimes you don't ever get even that.

 

[misslane38]

Problem is...everyone did move on, specifically the weekend after JL came out, and everyone just decided to forget that movie was made cause it was so forgettable.

Its only the crazy people who keep thinking that the movie was a bigger deal than it was. Justice League is honestly one of the most forgettable big blockbuster films to come out, where after a week or so, nobody even talks about it or remembers it in the general public.

The only thing crazy that I keep seeing is a bunch of people talking nonsense about something they clearly know very little about. The Snyder Cut advocates are not in any way trying to raise the profile of the film released in theaters. They are not in any way asking for the Snyder Cut because they thought the film WB released was memorable. It's the exact opposite: it's because the JL released in theatres was so forgettable that they want to see what might have been. The Snyder Cut fans hated JL as much as the general public.

 

[Alonsovich]

I think so too, but I'm curious what you think would be good advice to give such people to maybe get them to consider another approach and what that approach might look like.

Oddly enough, I'm thinking of BvS where Batman and Superman first confront each other on "fight night." I suppose I would want them to consider that lashing out is understandable, and by all means rant and vent, just do it privately or with friends to process the hurt and anger; don't direct it at other fans or professionals or get into battle mode. Also, appreciate that your efforts weren't pointless: you made friends, had fun with Snyder on Vero, got some teases, raised money for a good cause, and made enough of an impression that a studio and the media paid attention to you. Yes, they said no, but they acknowledged you. Sometimes you don't ever get even that.

Sorry, but it’s not that they’ve said no. It’s the way they’ve said it. With a hit piece, mocking a part of their fans and removing the interview with Jay Oliva despite him having worked on the damn thing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Whedon's and WB's movie was a flop. What Snyder's movie would have been we'll never know. His previous films fell short of lofty expectations, but at least they weren't flops. If the GA doesn't care, then they won't care if it's talked about or not talked about. Fans can focus on more than one thing at once.

Justice League failed on the back of Batman vs. Superman. The amount of people who showed up or stayed away knew of its connection to BvS and that it had a better RT score then BvS more then anything else. It was Snyder's failure as much as Whedon's and WB's.

 

[Micromind]

I think so too, but I'm curious what you think would be good advice to give such people to maybe get them to consider another approach and what that approach might look like.

Oddly enough, I'm thinking of BvS where Batman and Superman first confront each other on "fight night." I suppose I would want them to consider that lashing out is understandable, and by all means rant and vent, just do it privately or with friends to process the hurt and anger; don't direct it at other fans or professionals or get into battle mode. Also, appreciate that your efforts weren't pointless: you made friends, had fun with Snyder on Vero, got some teases, raised money for a good cause, and made enough of an impression that a studio and the media paid attention to you. Yes, they said no, but they acknowledged you. Sometimes you don't ever get even that.

Noises made by them have certainly drawn attention to the fact that Snyder Cut (though with unfinished special effects) exists, and it increases the chances that we may actually see it someday.


Other positive is that fans can take comfort in the fact that Snyder has got support from a section of fans, which must have been reassuring to him after what he had to go through.

 

[BH/HHH]

I don’t even think JLs that hated, people have forgotten about it because it’s not the most memorable movie. BvS is a haters film but not JL. Not by general audiences anyway. It’s the extreme Snyder fans that hate JL.

 

[misslane38]

Sorry, but it’s not that they’ve said no. It’s the way they’ve said it. With a hit piece removing the interview with Jay Oliva despite him having worked on the damn thing.

That hurts. I get it. I just think that responding in kind in any way is only going to make things worse. They've done the best when their response to adversity was to use it to do something positive like raise money for suicide prevention. So, sure, get angry, but be respectful and make a difference with positivity.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don’t even think JLs that hated, people have forgotten about it because it’s not the most memorable movie. BvS is a haters film but not JL. Not by general audiences anyway. It’s the extreme Snyder fans that hate JL.

The hatred for BvS left apathy for what came after. It branded Snyder's Superman and Batman, and even the love for Patty's Wonder Woman could not save it.

 

[Reel-Man]

I don’t even think JLs that hated, people have forgotten about it because it’s not the most memorable movie. BvS is a haters film but not JL. Not by general audiences anyway. It’s the extreme Snyder fans that hate JL.

Or people who dislike bad movies.

 

[Limonade]

Whedon's and WB's movie was a flop. What Snyder's movie would have been we'll never know. His previous films fell short of lofty expectations, but at least they weren't flops. If the GA doesn't care, then they won't care if it's talked about or not talked about. Fans can focus on more than one thing at once.

Whedon/WB/Snyder

It was a team effort to create that flop. His scenes were still part of the final narrative. I don't understand why you would simply place the blame one two entities.

I doubt WB wanted to take the wheel from Snyder, in the first place.

But for a studio to take such measures, to me, were just warning flags that the film just wasn't coming together cohesively under Snyder's leadership. Of course, these are simply my assumptions... I'm waiting for some actual/definitive reporting and documentation that can help us get a bigger picture of the debacle.

There's still much we do not know behind the scenes. There's lots of smokes and mirrors to sort through as well to get to the truth of the matter.

 

[misslane38]

Whedon/WB/Snyder

It was team effort to create that flop. His scenes were still part of the final narrative. I don't understand why you would simply place the blame one two entities.

Because their movie is the only version I ever got to see. Having not seen Snyder's, I can't know if his was better and the changes made it worse.

I doubt WB wanted to take the wheel from Snyder, in the first place.

I think they did.

But for a studio to take such measures, to me, were just warning flags that the film just wasn't coming together cohesively under Snyder's leadership.

That's predicated on the idea that WB at the time had the right taste and judgment to even evaluate that properly.

Of course, these are simply my assumptions... I'm waiting for some actual/definitive reporting and documentation that can help us get a bigger picture of the debacle.

Right, which is why some are so frustrated with this WSJ piece. It could have been that, but instead it was a poorly sourced hit piece.

 

[Alonsovich]

That hurts. I get it. I just think that responding in kind in any way is only going to make things worse. They've done the best when their response to adversity was to use it to do something positive like raise money for suicide prevention. So, sure, get angry, but be respectful and make a difference with positivity.

See? That’s exactly what pisses me off. The only angry people here have been them mocking a movement that has been all about positivity with that suicide awareness campaign, fun memes and youtubers with tinfoil hats. And then they go and make a hit piece in the WSJ painting them as nuts when it’s the studio in the first place that got itself into this mess by making announcements on reshoots, which happen all the time. It’s an evil and arrogant attitude.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

See? That’s exactly what pisses me off. The only angry people here have been them mocking a movement that has been all about positivity with that suicide awareness campaign, fun memes and youtubers with tinfoil hats. And then they go and make a hit piece in the WSJ painting them as nuts when it’s the studio in the first place that got itself into this mess by making announcements on reshoots, which happen all the time. It’s an evil and arrogant attitude.

Reshoots are almost always announced. Maybe outsiders saying this all looks a bit nuts, shouldn't be frowned upon, but taken as someone looking at it from the outside, able to see the forest for the trees.

 

[kguillou]

For whatever its worth guys, I enjoyed the speculation while it lasted. Even though we were ultimately speculating over nothing, it was always nice seeing everyone freak out everytime a new pic or frame of new footage leaked. Lol

 

[Jumpman]

Sorry, but it’s not that they’ve said no. It’s the way they’ve said it. With a hit piece, mocking a part of their fans and removing the interview with Jay Oliva despite him having worked on the damn thing.

Bingo...

 

[idiot09]

See? That’s exactly what pisses me off. The only angry people here have been them mocking a movement that has been all about positivity with that suicide awareness campaign, fun memes and youtubers with tinfoil hats. And then they go and make a hit piece in the WSJ painting them as nuts when it’s the studio in the first place that got itself into this mess by making announcements on reshoots, which happen all the time. It’s an evil and arrogant attitude.

Exactly.

Well, I'll admit I was wrong. That article was a giant waste of time and an excuse to make fun of Snyder fans. Based on this guy's past articles i wasnt expecting that and was expecting someghing more of substance. But, the guy at least gave us a conclusive answer. No Snyder cut is coming. Which is cool, an answer is all I wanted from the beginning.

All right, friends. I think its time to officially pack it in. Was fun while it lasted. I dont get why the guy felt the need to write this whole extensive article about basically nothing if only just to say there is no Snyder Cut.

It was a hitpiece. Plain and simple. They purposefully took out Oliva's part, despite the fact the dude worked on the damn movie. Horrible, disgraceful stuff.

Just read the article. It's a hit piece. Reminds me of when WB was desperate to make Abrams' Superman back in 2003, the 1st draft of the script leaked and was ripped to shreds on fan forums. Not a week later Latino Review had a review on a 2nd draft of it where magically all problems were solved. Nothing new here. WB has gone to lengths like leaking scripts to bloggers just to protect their interests. Guess what ended up happening? Abrams was fired, subbed by Josh Schwartz and the movie was never made. That's exactly what this article is. No trace of Jay Oliva's tweets or mention of him, just in case he says something they don't like...

This.

Oy, we’re treading into conspiracy theorist territory here. If you’re going to refute all public knowledge as “it’s PR”, then everything is thrown into question.

Well in the same article we are made to believe that the reshoots will be minor, and "adhere to the tone, style and template of Zack Snyder". Yeah lol.


Oh and since WB has said this now...I've officially given up hope on the SnyderCut for now. No way they are releasing it anytime soon. The best bet as Alonsovich says, is if its like a package deal with JL2 like 5-10 years in the future. Maybe on MOS/BvS 10 year anniversary.

I'm officially giving up for now. The only way I will believe something is if Zack says something. Otherwise, yeah I'm out.

 

[BH/HHH]

The hatred for BvS left apathy for what came after. It branded Snyder's Superman and Batman, and even the love for Patty's Wonder Woman could not save it.

Yeah 100% but what I was getting at is Jl isn’t a hated film but BvS is. JL is just a film the world isn’t interested in.

Or people who dislike bad movies.

No that’s not what I’m getting at. I’m saying JL isn’t hated by general audiences cauee it isn’t. It’s just forgettable to them. BvS is hated by a lot of people. There’s a difference here is what I’m getting at. If anything Jl is laughed at.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah 100% but what I was getting at is Jl isn’t a hated film but BvS is. JL is just a film the world isn’t interested in.

You are definitely right. What I would say is that has as much to do with BvS as the JL movie that was released.

It is amazing how little impact JL had. Its almost like it wasn't released. It so strange.

 

[kguillou]

Damn guess this means this forum will officially die now. We kept the fire burning as long as we could lol

 

[BH/HHH]

You are definitely right. What I would say is that has as much to do with BvS as the JL movie that was released.

It is amazing how little impact JL had. Its almost like it wasn't released. It so strange.

I’m glad I made sense I read it back after and I wondered if it had

Yeah it’s a shame really that it all planned out the way it did. End of the day we may Facebook argued over the years but we all wanted a great DC Universe that we all loved.

Damn guess this means this forum will officially die now. We kept the fire burning as long as we could lol

Harle will be happy if we all move to the Aquaman threads