The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread

[Saitou Hajime]

I'm afraid you're letting your hope cloud your judgment (and I completely understand - I did that many times throughout production of the first two films), but step back and look at it logically.

Fox has three comic-book films - Wolverine, DOFP and FF. We already know quite a bit about the first two, so which of these three projects is realistically likely to be part of the secret Fox plans for July 20?

It could be that X-Force project that is being rumored lately, which Fox could co-promote with TW and DOFP.

Why have we not heard anything concrete? Could it be that they have been waiting to make a big announcement at Comic-Con?

Or there is nothing concrete to begin with.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It could be that X-Force project that is being rumored lately, which Fox could co-promote with TW and DOFP.

Wouldn't X-Force be a 1 minute announcement: "We are going to begin putting an X-Force film together which Person X will direct."?

As opposed to an hour and a half blocked out time? (and, again, why be secretive about TW and DOFP - those should draw crowds if they've got something cool to offer, so why not announce them?)

I'm not arguing, just trying to logically consider all options.

We'll know in just over a week.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

An hour is a bit too long for a FF panel that hasn't even begun shooting. Not alot to show.... Dofp however.....

 

[psylockolussus]

FOX just should focus on Fantastic Four rather focusing/developing another X-Men spin-off.

Like seriously, I don't get why Fox has a thing for spin-offs/prequels - Elektra, Silver Surfer (was in development), Origins: Wolverine, Origins: Magneto (was in development), First Class, The Wolverine and now X-Force. When they could just continue the main series of X-Men and also focus on the Fantastic Four movies.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Because they want to branch out with the properties. A Silver Surfer solo film makes perfect sense and technically isn't a spin-off because the Surfer has always been his own character. Wolverine is also one that makes perfect sense to make a solo film out of. X-Force also works as a solo film. Most of the stuff you listed there aren't spin-offs. It's like saying all the individual Marvel films are spin-offs of Avengers.

There's no point in sticking to just FF and X-Men when those don't even begin to scratch the surface of the properties they have to possibly exploit.

 

[GriffinSTatum]

Because they want to branch out with the properties. A Silver Surfer solo film makes perfect sense and technically isn't a spin-off because the Surfer has always been his own character. Wolverine is also one that makes perfect sense to make a solo film out of. X-Force also works as a solo film. Most of the stuff you listed there aren't spin-offs. It's like saying all the individual Marvel films are spin-offs of Avengers.

There's no point in sticking to just FF and X-Men when those don't even begin to scratch the surface of the properties they have to possibly exploit.

While I completely agree with that statement, I don't think FOX is willing to go to such lengths. I see them willing to branch out in the X-Men franchise(they have started but there are still many characters they haven't even touched), however with FF I find it a little different.

The only spin-off film I can see FOX making with the FF franchise is a movie based on the Silver Surfer, and even then it is shaky. Unless it is marketed correctly, and it won't be due to Disney/Marvel, they won't be able to viably advertise and entice people to go out and watch the film. Many may still have a bad taste in their mouth from FF: ROTSS, and believe that seeing a film based off of one of the characters from that movie might not be enjoyable. I believe it certainly did happen to X-Men Origins: Wolverine, after the atrocity of X3.

 

[Mr.M]

You can't do an X-Men ensemble every year. Let's face it, X4 and X5 would have to be filmed back to back. The budget would be 500 million plus. Even if you just wanted to tell just one more story after DoFP, you just have to wait and see how DoFP performs first. I don't think X4 and X5 will be on the table regardless of how well DoFP does at the BO. X-Force could be a loose follow up. Then you can pick up the X-Men story with FC 3 or whatever. But it's not realistic to put out an ensemble move every year or even every other year. This isn't a Harry Potter franchise where you have a working storyboard and a long term vision. This also can't be done fast and cheap like a Fast & Furious. Every movie takes detailed planning and smart decisions. That's why you see an X-Men movie every three years on average. Assuming the FF reboot is still on, here is my slate:

2015: FF reboot
2016: X-Force
2017: FC 3 or X4.
2018: FF sequel or SS spinoff
2019: X-Force sequel or Deadpool spinoff

I think the MCU is the best model. Avengers movie every 3-4 years, with fillers in between. But with concepts like X-Force being thrown out there, probably X-Factor after that, I think Fox is done with the OT cast after DoFP, or at least is prepared to move on.

 

[Zarex]

FOX just should focus on Fantastic Four rather focusing/developing another X-Men spin-off.

Like seriously, I don't get why Fox has a thing for spin-offs/prequels - Elektra, Silver Surfer (was in development), Origins: Wolverine, Origins: Magneto (was in development), First Class, The Wolverine and now X-Force. When they could just continue the main series of X-Men and also focus on the Fantastic Four movies.

There's only so many times you can recycle the "X-Men battle evil mutants and human prejudice" plotline before movie goers lose interest. The First Class prequel underperformed at the box office, but the investment will be worth it for FOX if DOFP refreshes the franchise. And while having Wolverine (presumably) leading a "black-ops" style group was handled horribly in XMO:W, X-Force (if the rumor is true) also has the potential to give X-Men fans something other than the tried and true.

It is a complete waste of time and money for FOX to revive a high-cost FF series with limited potential that also fits terribly within FOX's existing X-Men Universe. The studio needs to focus on the huge roster of mutant characters that either haven't been used or relegated to cameos, and use the FF rights as a bargaining chip to get increased marketing and merchandising support for the X franchises from Disney/Marvel. DOFP is certainly intriguing, but it won't have an IM3/Avengers/MOS style marketing campaign unless FOX and Disney work out a deal.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Wolverine
Silver Surfer
Deadpool
X-Force
X-Factor
Cable/Deadpool team-up film (maybe just put it in like a Deadpool sequel though)

All of these films have the potential to be their own franchises and be box offices smashes. Fox just has their finger on the button and is choking. With have all the rights that come with FF and X-Men, Fox has a cosmic repertoire that could rival Marvel's in quality if not quantity and can use Silver Surfer as a vehicle to explore it in-depth. Not to mention they have just as much crossover potential between films as Marvel. Have Cable show up in an X-Force film than have him team-up with Deadpool in a Deadpool film. Introduce the Shi'ar in a Silver Surfer film and then have them attack the Earth in an X-Men film.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Speak of the devil.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/07...cluded/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Speak of the devil.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/07...cluded/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Called it. The fact that a future project like this seems more of a priority than something more imminent like F4 is quite telling. I'd say this thread's prospects are looking more brighter everyday (unless Fox pulls some Miami Heat on Game 6 crap on us).

 

[GriffinSTatum]

Speak of the devil.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/07...cluded/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

If this comes to fruition and an X-Force movie ends up being slated for 2015-2016, then they could possibly be forgetting a FF movie. Considering they would be talking about this movie instead of the next FF movie also shows that they may no longer be interested in making a FF movie. Also, the article states an X-Men Movie Universe, never a Marvel shared universe. I wonder if this means that they may be finally giving up on at least integrating the FF into the X-Men franchise, hopefully the whole movie rights in general.

I have really high doubts that this movie will come to fruition. I have heard more news about the Avengers sequel, which releases after this supposed movie. I just find it hard to believe that FOX would be this quiet about a project such as the FF. If they wanted to get people excited, I would think they would want people to actually believe they are going through with this movie.

In the end I will just keep my hope alive that Marvel gets the rights back. FOX is fine with the X-Men series but I truly think that the FF and the characters associated should be brought back to Marvel, so they can get proper films and included in the MCU.

 

[Zarex]

Wolverine
Silver Surfer
Deadpool
X-Force
X-Factor
Cable/Deadpool team-up film (maybe just put it in like a Deadpool sequel though)

All of these films have the potential to be their own franchises and be box offices smashes. Fox just has their finger on the button and is choking. With have all the rights that come with FF and X-Men, Fox has a cosmic repertoire that could rival Marvel's in quality if not quantity and can use Silver Surfer as a vehicle to explore it in-depth. Not to mention they have just as much crossover potential between films as Marvel. Have Cable show up in an X-Force film than have him team-up with Deadpool in a Deadpool film. Introduce the Shi'ar in a Silver Surfer film and then have them attack the Earth in an X-Men film.

I really question the potential for cosmic FOX and the benefits of an FF/X-Men crossover. Iron Man was more grounded than Singer's first X-Men film, but by the third film of the MCU worlds outside of our own were introduced. Counting DOFP, we will have have had 7 X-Men films that have taken place in a world just like ours, but with mutants and no hints of cosmic or supernatural influence. It would be quite jarring to introduce it now. And it would be foolish, in my opinion, for FOX to add four victims of a cosmic accident to a universe already loaded with naturally superpowered characters.

 

[Zarex]

Posters on this thread should hold an "anti-boycott" - promise to buy tickets to all of FOX's upcoming X-films so long as they allow the FF rights to revert.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Posters on this thread should hold an "anti-boycott" - promise to buy tickets to all of FOX's upcoming X-films so long as they allow the FF rights to revert.

Sounds good to me! I know I couldn't resist an FF film of any kind (I even bought a bootleg Roger Corman), so I wouldn't even pretend that I would boycott the Fox FF.

I'd go farther than that and promise to buy a ticket (though I wouldn't promise to attend) to every major Fox release. I will also give Jim Gianopulos a big, wet kiss on the lips, and hire him a reasonably priced call-girl if that will do the trick.

 

[Mr.M]

It's likely they may table this thing, but maybe Fox could seek an extension with Marvel and Disney. 2015 is too packed a year for a FF reboot. You probably want that out May 2016 where it can get maximum exposure. Of course Marvel would want no part of that, so if Fox can get the extension, there would have been massive concessions on their part. Marvel is expected to have properties like Dr. Strange among others ready for 2016. They also need another big franchise outside of Avengers IMO. It's too one-dimensional right now and is barely above an "Iron Man and Friends" type franchise.

My guess, and it's a long shot... is you can scrap Dr. Strange and any PIII plans, pay Fox some money up front, plus a percentage of the gross, and produce the FF reboot for May 2016 or May 2017 at Disney. Some kind of deal needs to be worked out where the FF franchise by itself isn't necessarily profitable after Fox's share, but holistically, it becomes very profitable for Marvel and Disney.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It's likely they may table this thing, but maybe Fox could seek an extension with Marvel and Disney. 2015 is too packed a year for a FF reboot.

If Fox really feels that way, Marvel will get the rights. Marvel wants them and I would be amazed if they negotiated an extension. If Fox doesn't do it, Marvel gets it.

With that said, I think you're all going to have your hopes dashed in 8 days when Fox brings the cast and Josh Trank to Comic Con.

 

[Mr.M]

This X-Force announcement could be what the fans are waiting for. Ryan Renolds is just as likely to show up reprising his role as Deadpool. We've seen crazier things before, okay maybe not that crazy.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

This X-Force announcement could be what the fans are waiting for. Ryan Renolds is just as likely to show up reprising his role as Deadpool. We've seen crazier things before, okay maybe not that crazy.

We'll see in 8 days.

In the unlikely event that major details of FF aren't announced, we can start celebrating and the first round of drinks is on me.

 

[Mr. Dent]

It would still be too early to celebrate like that.

 

[Wontkins]

Hopefully Josh Trank leaves the project like that one guy did with Daredevil. If the director was to leave at this point in time there would be no way in hell they would be able to retain the rights.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

With that said, I think you're all going to have your hopes dashed in 8 days when Fox brings the cast and Josh Trank to Comic Con.

With all due respect, but are you like privy to some information that the rest of us aren't? For someone who supposedly wants F4 pried out of Fox's hands, you seem unusually stubborn about this "F4 at Comic Con" theory. You would think this latest leaks about the X-Force plans would give you more optimism, since ideally that getting leaked should mean that not only a F4 presence at Comic Con would been revealed as well, but that X-Force and the X-Men shared universe is a greater priority than F4 as far as Fox's immediate superhero movie slate is concerned. It's strange, is all.

 

[Kelly]

With all due respect, but are you like privy to some information that the rest of us aren't? For someone who supposedly wants F4 pried out of Fox's hands, you seem unusually stubborn about this "F4 at Comic Con" theory. You would think this latest leaks about the X-Force plans would give you more optimism, since ideally that getting leaked should mean that not only a F4 presence at Comic Con would been revealed as well, but that X-Force and the X-Men shared universe is a greater priority than F4 as far as Fox's immediate superhero movie slate is concerned. It's strange, is all.

He has been here and done that so to speak.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It would still be too early to celebrate like that.

With a March 2015 release date (and the presumption that Fox will lose the rights if they don't hit that date) and rumors about a July start of production in Vancouver shifting to a start of production in the fall and locations being scouted in Louisiana and rumors about problems with the script, I believe we have reached a point at which there are two possibilities.

1. Production will start in Fall and a cast and crew are in place but being kept secret so they can make a big splash at Comic-Con

or

2. The production is in danger of imploding and reverting to Marvel

Based on what we hear one week from tomorrow, I think we will have some real clarity on which of those two possibilities it is. If they can't announce major progress, I'm going to lift a glass.

With all due respect, but are you like privy to some information that the rest of us aren't? For someone who supposedly wants F4 pried out of Fox's hands, you seem unusually stubborn about this "F4 at Comic Con" theory. You would think this latest leaks about the X-Force plans would give you more optimism, since ideally that getting leaked should mean that not only a F4 presence at Comic Con would been revealed as well, but that X-Force and the X-Men shared universe is a greater priority than F4 as far as Fox's immediate superhero movie slate is concerned. It's strange, is all.

It's simple common sense, knowledge of what we know, what we don't know and experience with Comic-Con announcements and presentations.

We know that Fox has 90 minutes allotted but they're keeping the details secret. We strongly suspect that some of that 90 minutes will be spent discussing Wolverine and Days of Future Past, but the cast is known for both of those productions and, while it's likely they'll try to 'wow' us with at least some guests and tidbits related to those projects, the major details are already known, so there's little reason for secrecy.

As for X-Force, I have never seen a project announced with a detailed presentation. Previously unknown productions are announced with quick, brief statements. Producers, directors and script-writers are sometimes attached, but an X-Force film would almost certainly not be coming until 2016 and it's highly unlikely that a cast is in place or anything would be formally presented on that project at this point - when Days of Future Past is still filming and any hype related to X-Force would steal enthusiasm from DAFP.

The most logical non-FF possibility to me would be a non-comic property - such as Planet of the Apes, but I think a lengthy presentation on X-Force is highly unlikely.

If I'm wrong, I'll be right here to hear about it and glad to do so. Please feel free to say: "Nanny, nanny boo-boo, I told you so." when it turns out to be X-Force instead of FF.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Eh i know what we know too and right now..... All signs line up with the same situation that Daredevil did and it didn't pan out