Superman Returns The lifting of NK = Utterley Heroic?

[sithgoblin]

Superman = Utterly Unrealistic.

The lifting of NK = Poor Writing.

 

[El Payaso]

The lifting of NK = Poor Writing.

Too good I didn't read it. I saw it. And looked great.

 

[El Payaso]

Yes it was herioc, but it also failed to hold my suspension of disbelief. They set the rules for Superman's universe, and then proceeded to break them. Why not just make Superman click his fingers to make New Krypton dissapear, if they are going to break their own rules.

You mean like revesing time or an amnesia kiss?

 

[sithgoblin]

Too good I didn't read it. I saw it. And looked great.

So plot, characterization and dialogue don't matter to you? That actually explains a lot!

 

[sithgoblin]

You mean like revesing time or an amnesia kiss?

I'm no Donner defender. They were both lazy ways to solve Superman's problems.

 

[El Payaso]

So plot, characterization and dialogue don't matter to you? That actually explains a lot!

Like for example, why I liked a scene like New Krypton lifting where no dialogue occured or was needed.

And Superman was as Superman as he could be lifting all that in order to save humankind, so charcterization's ok.

I'm no Donner defender. They were both lazy ways to solve Superman's problems.

Yeah, it's maybe I never see you in Donner movies board saying the same.

 

[LexCorp]

I really liked the scene, also I do not think that the rules were broken here for Superman. It felt like a great moment. He was throwing away a giant piece of his home...which was a theme of the movie. Finding his real home. Trying so hard to find a piece of Krypton and then once he finds it he chucks it away to save Earth...plus the fall to Earth was great.

 

[sithgoblin]

Like for example, why I liked a scene like New Krypton lifting where no dialogue occured or was needed.

Or brains.

And Superman was as Superman as he could be lifting all that in order to save humankind, so charcterization's ok.

Not when Kryptonite causes him to be so physically weak that he nearly dies. It's his one established weakness and they spat in its face. When something affects him as much as kryptonite does, no amount of will power will overcome that. I'm not saying he shouldn't have tried. That would indeed have been heroic. But that fact that he succeeded was silly. We saw plenty of other feats of strength, and it would have been nice to see him use his brains to defeat something, for once.

Yeah, it's maybe I never see you in Donner movies board saying the same.

I don't understand.

 

[Angeloz]

I really liked the scene, also I do not think that the rules were broken here for Superman. It felt like a great moment. He was throwing away a giant piece of his home...which was a theme of the movie. Finding his real home. Trying so hard to find a piece of Krypton and then once he finds it he chucks it away to save Earth...plus the fall to Earth was great.

Nice post.

Angeloz

 

[sithgoblin]

I really liked the scene, also I do not think that the rules were broken here for Superman. It felt like a great moment. He was throwing away a giant piece of his home...which was a theme of the movie. Finding his real home. Trying so hard to find a piece of Krypton and then once he finds it he chucks it away to save Earth...plus the fall to Earth was great.

No, he was throwing away a giant piece of poison, a tiny fragment of which nearly killed him moments before.

 

[LexCorp]

Or brains.


Not when Kryptonite causes him to be so physically weak that he nearly dies. It's his one established weakness and they spat in its face. When something affects him as much as kryptonite does, no amount of will power will overcome that. I'm not saying he shouldn't have tried. That would indeed have been heroic. But that fact that he succeeded was silly. We saw plenty of other feats of strength, and it would have been nice to see him use his brains to defeat something, for once.



I don't understand.

You could explain away that the kryptonite was spread so much so through the entire rock that it was a diluted form of kryptonite. The crystals absorb what they touch to make the land mass. So it was a diluted combination of earth crust, water and kryptonite. Hence it was not as powerful.

 

[LexCorp]

Nice post.

Angeloz

Thanks

No, he was throwing away a giant piece of poison, a tiny fragment of which nearly killed him moments before.

Meh 2 ways to view it there

 

[Cyrusbales]

People who complain about this scene obviously are unfamiliar with cinema.

 

[LexCorp]

People who complain about this scene obviously are unfamiliar with cinema.

Cha I loved it

 

[C. Lee]

You could explain away that the kryptonite was spread so much so through the entire rock that it was a diluted form of kryptonite. The crystals absorb what they touch to make the land mass. So it was a diluted combination of earth crust, water and kryptonite. Hence it was not as powerful.

I've explained the concept of diluted Kryptonite on here many times.....you can take over for me.

 

[Angeloz]

People who complain about this scene obviously are unfamiliar with cinema.

Not to mention the comics that change the rules of kryptonite.

Angeloz

 

[LexCorp]

I've explained the concept of diluted Kryptonite on here many times.....you can take over for me.

Thanks, it seems to me the only reason Lex says that the crystals absorb the K so we as nerd fans can use that to say it is diluted K

Not to mention the comics that change the rules of kryptonite.

Angeloz

Yep

 

[El Payaso]

Or brains.

It's more about will and strenght. Some brains to know that the only way to free Earth from NK was throwing it away.

Or you were talking of the brains to know that dialogue has nothing to do with NK lifting so it was pointless to even mention it?

Not when Kryptonite causes him to be so physically weak that he nearly dies. It's his one established weakness and they spat in its face. When something affects him as much as kryptonite does, no amount of will power will overcome that. I'm not saying he shouldn't have tried. That would indeed have been heroic. But that fact that he succeeded was silly. We saw plenty of other feats of strength, and it would have been nice to see him use his brains to defeat something, for once.

Or the brains to know that the crystals dilluted the original material plus the fact we saw Kryptonite was in the center of NK not in the surface so Superman had a chance before Kryptonite affected him as, indeed, happened in the movie?

I don't understand.

Or the brains to understand?

One would say that if you disliked Donner's and Lester's last minute solutions you'd be a) complaining about it in the respective board the way you do it here or b) being happy SR didn't make that kind of last minute solutions.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Even if it's not dilluted, the notion of it being near him is what damages him, 10 kilo's or 100 wouldn't make much difference in terms of the radiation from the surface area.

Also, this is no different from any action film where a guy gets shot a billion times then carries on, like the punisher or any hollywood film from the 80's. Only difference is that this is SUPERMAN, who CAN push the boundaries.

 

[El Payaso]

Even if it's not dilluted, the notion of it being near him is what damages him, 10 kilo's or 100 wouldn't make much difference in terms of the radiation from the surface area.

But if Kryptonite is behind a strong enough barrier it can't be harmless for a while. Like when in STM Superman didn't know about Kryptonite or felt it because it was inside a lead box.

Also, this is no different from any action film where a guy gets shot a billion times then carries on, like the punisher or any hollywood film from the 80's. Only difference is that this is SUPERMAN, who CAN push the boundaries.

That's another way to see it that makes sense.

 

[LexCorp]

Even if it's not dilluted, the notion of it being near him is what damages him, 10 kilo's or 100 wouldn't make much difference in terms of the radiation from the surface area.

Also, this is no different from any action film where a guy gets shot a billion times then carries on, like the punisher or any hollywood film from the 80's. Only difference is that this is SUPERMAN, who CAN push the boundaries.

I have always taken the fact of Kryptonite as this. It's effects are relative to the potency and proximity.

 

[Angeloz]

Even if it's not dilluted, the notion of it being near him is what damages him, 10 kilo's or 100 wouldn't make much difference in terms of the radiation from the surface area.

Also, this is no different from any action film where a guy gets shot a billion times then carries on, like the punisher or any hollywood film from the 80's. Only difference is that this is SUPERMAN, who CAN push the boundaries.

Radiation is a quarter as powerful if you double the distance away. Fun fact to know. Also packed earth protects against gamma radiation as well as lead (plus other things like concrete). But even if kryptonite is magical and there's no protection from the earth. There would be with the distance it causes him to be away from it.

Angeloz

 

[sithgoblin]

People who complain about this scene obviously are unfamiliar with cinema.

What an arrogant and ignorant statement.

 

[Cyrusbales]

But if Kryptonite is behind a strong enough barrier it can't be harmless for a while. Like when in STM Superman didn't know about Kryptonite or felt it because it was inside a lead box.



That's another way to see it that makes sense.

Isn't Led the only thing that stops it's radiation?

 

[sithgoblin]

I've explained the concept of diluted Kryptonite on here many times.....you can take over for me.

When people are required to come up with explanations to explain inconsistencies after the film, that's poor filmmaking.