The Lord of the Advice: The Two Towering Relationships thread

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You say she was well aware that you liked her.

Truth is, if you'd had a shot (as in if she actually liked you back), SHE could have done something about it.

You're talking about a girl who knew you fancied her, but didn't respond to that.

This isn't something that didn't happen because you weren't couragous enough. It didn't happen because she's just not that into you :(
 
Unfortunately. She is really damn awesome too...Idk I for some reason sabotage myself. It's like I help them throw me in the friend zone. "Here let me just throw myself no no it's fine you might pull something I'll throw myself there. Weeee!!!"


I can't figure it out

Most people know pretty quickly if they are interested in someone. Anubis said it earlier about making your intentions known right away.

And, you shouldn't even get to the friend zone. Unless you are intimately dating, don't be fooled by the late night long talks, hanging out, etc., just bolt. Don't fool yourself that if you hang on and just be a good friend, things will work out.
 
You say she was well aware that you liked her.

Truth is, if you'd had a shot (as in if she actually liked you back), SHE could have done something about it.

You're talking about a girl who knew you fancied her, but didn't respond to that.

This isn't something that didn't happen because you weren't couragous enough. It didn't happen because she's just not that into you :(
Oh believe me she gave enough hints and everything, she was just waiting on me. And for some reason, I just didn't do it. I kept finding excuses of why it wouldn't happen or wouldn't work. In the end, its the same old story as what I always do. I loved the idea of what we could have had, and instead of getting it, I just sat there doing nothing because I didn't want to chance that thought getting away. And now it has. Idk maybe one day I'll learn
 
Or both of em were wussies. :o
Story of my life. :o Finally worked out for me when I joined a dating site, cause the ONLY reason why I'd meet a guy there is to date him. :oldrazz:
 
Oh believe me she gave enough hints and everything, she was just waiting on me. And for some reason, I just didn't do it. I kept finding excuses of why it wouldn't happen or wouldn't work. In the end, its the same old story as what I always do. I loved the idea of what we could have had, and instead of getting it, I just sat there doing nothing because I didn't want to chance that thought getting away. And now it has. Idk maybe one day I'll learn

What do you mean by hints?
 
She was humping the air...
 
That's what it would take for me to know a girl was interested in me...
 
Unfortunately. She is really damn awesome too...Idk I for some reason sabotage myself. It's like I help them throw me in the friend zone. "Here let me just throw myself no no it's fine you might pull something I'll throw myself there. Weeee!!!"


I can't figure it out
First of all, you should pay attention to her signals. Which I guarantee you that you don't. She'll let you know if she is interested, and it'll be fairly unsubtle in my experience. Although she won't always make the first move...

...which is probably what you're getting at when you say "sabotaging yourself".

First of all there is nothing wrong with being a friend to a girl. There's certainly the option for any friends to engage in sexual activity, and sometimes you start relationships but you have to genuinely be their friend for this to work. Like, you can't be, in your mind trying to figure out or conive your way into f***ing her. Doesn't work like that. You have to be their friend, keep a healthy distance as far as any overt romantic displays go. In other words these women would have to be your friend like a guy is your friend, and you have to be reluctant about f***ing them [when you're both sober...honestly that's how most friends bump uglies in my experience, but any way, it's random not designed].

Second of all if you don't want a friendship or don't want to continue a friendship without sex or intimacy you have to say so.

See, there is a hierarchy of how relationships begin.

Dating (or sex) leads to sex, leads to more regular sex, more regular time together not dating or having sex, and then finally some sort of relationship. That's more or less a gross generalization, but the point is you can't start with the spending tons of regular time together, or just talking all the time and expect the other things, i.e. the dating and or the sex, to just happen because of it.

One of the problems you have is you probably see people who are dating and in love and assume that's just a state of affairs. When you feel the "tug" that's the person you're suppose to be with. The "tug" sadly, is just your penis. Most people who you find attractive and maybe share a few things in common with are going to turn you on to the point where you get emotionally attached to them, but it's a very primal, sexual attraction. It means nothing. If you completely give into it and let yourself be a little direct you'll probably actually get laid just doing that. If you wish to take it slower and wait a few dates, well then you actually have to ask them out on a date. QUICKLY.

Basically what the friend zone is, well, it's exactly what it sounds like. It's you telling them things like "Golly the weather's nice chum" when you really mean "would you like to go out for dinner sometimes" or "I want to **** your tight *****".

So there is a subtle, perhaps unintentional, dishonesty. Imagine some Meg Griffin looking girl was following you around, texting you constantly and just droning on about her fanfiction hentai anime. After a while you'd be like "why is this person still talking to me. She never asks me for anything, and I'm really not into hentai, or anime, and her fanfiction is awful, but she's nice so I never have the heart to tell her". That's what you're doing essentially. You substituting being real and true with your intentions with a personality that won't rock the boat. Have to rock the boat. You have to try for something, even if it's a little something, each time you talk to this person. That way you'll establish an actual relationship rather than simply talking at each other, which is what you're currently doing. That won't result in nothing.
 
First of all, you should pay attention to her signals. Which I guarantee you that you don't. She'll let you know if she is interested, and it'll be fairly unsubtle in my experience. Although she won't always make the first move...

...which is probably what you're getting at when you say "sabotaging yourself".

First of all there is nothing wrong with being a friend to a girl. There's certainly the option for any friends to engage in sexual activity, and sometimes you start relationships but you have to genuinely be their friend for this to work. Like, you can't be, in your mind trying to figure out or conive your way into f***ing her. Doesn't work like that. You have to be their friend, keep a healthy distance as far as any overt romantic displays go. In other words these women would have to be your friend like a guy is your friend, and you have to be reluctant about f***ing them [when you're both sober...honestly that's how most friends bump uglies in my experience, but any way, it's random not designed].

Second of all if you don't want a friendship or don't want to continue a friendship without sex or intimacy you have to say so.

See, there is a hierarchy of how relationships begin.

Dating (or sex) leads to sex, leads to more regular sex, more regular time together not dating or having sex, and then finally some sort of relationship. That's more or less a gross generalization, but the point is you can't start with the spending tons of regular time together, or just talking all the time and expect the other things, i.e. the dating and or the sex, to just happen because of it.

One of the problems you have is you probably see people who are dating and in love and assume that's just a state of affairs. When you feel the "tug" that's the person you're suppose to be with. The "tug" sadly, is just your penis. Most people who you find attractive and maybe share a few things in common with are going to turn you on to the point where you get emotionally attached to them, but it's a very primal, sexual attraction. It means nothing. If you completely give into it and let yourself be a little direct you'll probably actually get laid just doing that. If you wish to take it slower and wait a few dates, well then you actually have to ask them out on a date. QUICKLY.

Basically what the friend zone is, well, it's exactly what it sounds like. It's you telling them things like "Golly the weather's nice chum" when you really mean "would you like to go out for dinner sometimes" or "I want to **** your tight *****".

So there is a subtle, perhaps unintentional, dishonesty. Imagine some Meg Griffin looking girl was following you around, texting you constantly and just droning on about her fanfiction hentai anime. After a while you'd be like "why is this person still talking to me. She never asks me for anything, and I'm really not into hentai, or anime, and her fanfiction is awful, but she's nice so I never have the heart to tell her". That's what you're doing essentially. You substituting being real and true with your intentions with a personality that won't rock the boat. Have to rock the boat. You have to try for something, even if it's a little something, each time you talk to this person. That way you'll establish an actual relationship rather than simply talking at each other, which is what you're currently doing. That won't result in nothing.


This is actually the best thing I've read in awhile. Definitely true, and definitely what I do. Should really keep this in mind
 
First of all, you should pay attention to her signals. Which I guarantee you that you don't. She'll let you know if she is interested, and it'll be fairly unsubtle in my experience. Although she won't always make the first move...

...which is probably what you're getting at when you say "sabotaging yourself".

First of all there is nothing wrong with being a friend to a girl. There's certainly the option for any friends to engage in sexual activity, and sometimes you start relationships but you have to genuinely be their friend for this to work. Like, you can't be, in your mind trying to figure out or conive your way into f***ing her. Doesn't work like that. You have to be their friend, keep a healthy distance as far as any overt romantic displays go. In other words these women would have to be your friend like a guy is your friend, and you have to be reluctant about f***ing them [when you're both sober...honestly that's how most friends bump uglies in my experience, but any way, it's random not designed].

Second of all if you don't want a friendship or don't want to continue a friendship without sex or intimacy you have to say so.

See, there is a hierarchy of how relationships begin.

Dating (or sex) leads to sex, leads to more regular sex, more regular time together not dating or having sex, and then finally some sort of relationship. That's more or less a gross generalization, but the point is you can't start with the spending tons of regular time together, or just talking all the time and expect the other things, i.e. the dating and or the sex, to just happen because of it.

One of the problems you have is you probably see people who are dating and in love and assume that's just a state of affairs. When you feel the "tug" that's the person you're suppose to be with. The "tug" sadly, is just your penis. Most people who you find attractive and maybe share a few things in common with are going to turn you on to the point where you get emotionally attached to them, but it's a very primal, sexual attraction. It means nothing. If you completely give into it and let yourself be a little direct you'll probably actually get laid just doing that. If you wish to take it slower and wait a few dates, well then you actually have to ask them out on a date. QUICKLY.

Basically what the friend zone is, well, it's exactly what it sounds like. It's you telling them things like "Golly the weather's nice chum" when you really mean "would you like to go out for dinner sometimes" or "I want to **** your tight *****".

So there is a subtle, perhaps unintentional, dishonesty. Imagine some Meg Griffin looking girl was following you around, texting you constantly and just droning on about her fanfiction hentai anime. After a while you'd be like "why is this person still talking to me. She never asks me for anything, and I'm really not into hentai, or anime, and her fanfiction is awful, but she's nice so I never have the heart to tell her". That's what you're doing essentially. You substituting being real and true with your intentions with a personality that won't rock the boat. Have to rock the boat. You have to try for something, even if it's a little something, each time you talk to this person. That way you'll establish an actual relationship rather than simply talking at each other, which is what you're currently doing. That won't result in nothing.

So in your example, are you saying that the Meg griffin girl is wanting more than just friends with the dude? and the dude is not getting it or is not interested?

Well, why would he not get interested and hit it?
 
Because, Meg Griffin isn't exactly attractive.
 
:oldrazz: Oh sorry, I was thinking Meg Ryan!:doh: BUt regardless, is that what he is meaning, that Meg is wanting more?
 
Yes, his example is that a female version of most guys and how when the tables are turned, most people wouldn't go out of their way to be harsh.
 
Just FYI, I'm breaking down over here. Yup, I'm in tears. I think I need help.
Did you just break up with your girlfriend/wife, or did the hot girl turn you down?

Tears over the first scenario is pretty normal. The second...perhaps not so much. :o
 
I think he's upset over his current situation. Kind of a preverbal square peg trying to fit in a round hole of a town.
 
I think I've discovered my....well, ONE of my problems with girls and why I sabotage myself almost all the time. I think I still deep down want the girl I spent most of high school trying to date, but kinda completely ****ed up and terrified. I think in some way I still want her, and subconciously make sure I **** everything up with every other girl because of it. Gah
 
Would it be wrong to ask an ex for dinner? I mean I've not really talked to her in like 5 years, only seen her at random times and had quick chats. It's not like I'm going to ty anything on, more a catch up since she's back in the area for a bit. Just wondering if she'd look on it as odd or something?
 
I think I've discovered my....well, ONE of my problems with girls and why I sabotage myself almost all the time. I think I still deep down want the girl I spent most of high school trying to date, but kinda completely ****ed up and terrified. I think in some way I still want her, and subconciously make sure I **** everything up with every other girl because of it. Gah
You're romanticizing a fantasy. So you feel you're hooked on a girl that you never been intimate with, never even dated and I'm guessing you're treasuring that time where you guys talked alone for a while? :huh:

Trust me when you date anyone else in a more physical sense for a longer period of time. You'll probably even laugh at yourself that you carried feelings that long for someone.
 
Would it be wrong to ask an ex for dinner? I mean I've not really talked to her in like 5 years, only seen her at random times and had quick chats. It's not like I'm going to ty anything on, more a catch up since she's back in the area for a bit. Just wondering if she'd look on it as odd or something?
I don't think there's anything odd, she may think what is his angle, but as long as you just keep it platonic as you say, there shouldn't be a big deal about it.
 
Ok, speaking about another woman I know who is a friend (not the fling girl I am currently seeing), here is a recent development.

I have known her for about a little over 2 years. She is part of my comic book circle of friends and goes out with us every Wednesday to the bar after we pick up our new comics.

The past 6 weeks we have been getting really close. She knows all about the current woman I am seeing and all the sex we are having. BUt I DID tell her that this is not working out in to a relationship, its just sex! She knows things about me that no one else knows. We will text each other 3-4 times a week for hours. I always give her a lift home after the Wednesday night bar thing and we usually park in front of he place and chat it up.

Before I met the current woman I am dating, I asked her to go with me to the Avengers, she said she was going with her friends. SO I back back tracked and told her that I was not asking her out on a date. ( I was!)

After that, we have been texting each other for a few weeks, I asked her to get together and go for a walk in July when I am free. She was all over that and even elaborated and told me when she has days off and what we can do.

Apparently, she is making me some dish at this party we are going to later this month and I am suppose to take her out to this place for a bit to eat as she has never been there. We are also going to try each others type of beer at our get together tonight.

I also offered her a place to stay if she ever needs one. She rents from another friend and I have a 3 bedroom house I own.

SO, is this woman now changed her mind about me? I was really surprised when she told me we can not only get together, but what we can do and that she said yes! I was stunned when she started texting my a few days ago at 5 in the afternoon and then I told her, after 5 hours that I am going to sleep. I wanted to test her and see if she would start up again. So I texted her back within 30 minute and she started up again, At 11 I told her I was going to sleep for good.

I think this woman finds me more attractive now that another woman is jumping my bones. Maybe not but she sure gives me a lot of attention now in the last few weeks. I am NOT going to dump my current woman for this one. But some of my friends are asking me if I am making my move because it does not seem like I gave up. Perhaps! :eek:

Funny how this all works out… I will say that this friend female does tend to cling to whoever pays her attention. She has done it in the past before with guys in our group. I want to see if she will follow me around like a lost puppy. One of my friends thinks we will end up in bed and then disaster if I keep on the current course. Also, this friend woman is in her 20s, i am WAY past that!
 
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Ok, speaking about another woman I know who is a friend (not the fling girl I am currently seeing), here is a recent development.

I have known her for about a little over 2 years. She is part of my comic book circle of friends and goes out with us every Wednesday to the bar after we pick up our new comics.

The past 6 weeks we have been getting really close. She knows all about the current woman I am seeing and all the sex we are having. She knows things about me that no one else knows. We will text each other 3-4 times a week for hours. I always give her a lift home after the Wednesday night bar thing and we usually park in front of he place and chat it up.

Before I met the current woman I am dating, I asked her to go with me to the Avengers, she said she was going with her friends. SO I back back tracked and told her that I was not asking her out on a date. ( I was!)

After that, we have been texting each other for a few weeks, I asked her to get together and go for a walk in July when I am free. She was all over that and even elaborated and told me when she has days off and what we can do.

Apparently, she is making me some dish at this party we are going to later this month and I am suppose to take her out to this place for a bit to eat as she has never been there. We are also going to try each others type of beer at our get together tonight.

I also offered her a place to stay if she ever needs one. She rents from another friend.

SO, is this woman now changed her mind about me? I was stunned when she started texting my a few days ago at 5 in the afternoon and then I told her, after 5 hours that I am going to sleep. This was a test. I texted her back within 30 minute and she started up again, At 11 I told her I was going to sleep for good.

I think this woman finds me more attractive now that another woman is jumping my bones. Maybe now but she sure gives me a lot of attention now in the last few weeks.

Funny how this all works out...
Yeah, so funny story, I've been dating someone, and much like you women are coming out of the wood work. Kind of ones like you describe too. Fence sitters. People who I expressed interest in and they expressed maybe some in me, those are the ones who are now coming onto me in more overt ways.

So before I get to you specifically, I kind of equate this to applying for a new job while already employed. Employers always look more favorably on applicants who are employed, and don't seem like they have a bad relationship with their current employer, and are looking for new work or a change of setting/field. There's also something kind of, I dunno, reassuring about someone who would leave their current job for this new one. You'd know right off the bat the applicant badly wanted to work for you because most people don't need to make drastic changes like that unless they really want to.

The best advice is play it cool. Don't act like you're onto her, or try to imply you know she is interested (because quite frankly many of these girls who come onto you while/because you're dating someone don't really end up doing anything -- it's as much a crapshoot as anything else, perhaps with a slightly better rate of return). The thing is with you describing your sex life to her, I'd tend to believe she is thinking of you sexually. You haven't really given any specific clues on that yet in this particular paragraph, so maybe go more in depth about that, because honestly that's kind of a shot in the dark I just made. I'd guess though if she's willing to talk about your sex life is because she thinks about your sex life.
 
SO, is this woman now changed her mind about me?

What do you mean she's changed her mind about you?

Doesn't sound like she ever didn't like you.

Maybe the new girl just made her realise she needed to push a little harder to get your attention.
 
What do you mean she's changed her mind about you?

Doesn't sound like she ever didn't like you.

Maybe the new girl just made her realise she needed to push a little harder to get your attention.

By changed, I mean she could have said yes when I asked her to go see Avengers. I know she wanted to go and did go with her friends. She could have countered my Avengers offer with something like, "I am going to see that with some friends, but we can go see another movie" or something to that effect. But she did not.

That's why I was surprised that she eagerly accepted my offer for a walk and went on to explain exactly when her days off are and what we can do.

I see her tonight. After the gang pick up their new comics, we all go out to our usual place.

I have to say this thread is one of the best threads ever. There is a lot of good advice given here and I appreciate it. Thank you all!
 
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