The Dark Knight The many faces of the Joker. Which is the "real" one?

[Joe-ker]

Further support of my theory that Heath's face is never seen from under the mask...

 

[fcrowelle06]

Which is the real one?..... Mark Hamill, lol, Long Live The B:TAS, Justice League, and Batman Beyond Joker

 

[Nightwing1977]

Here's my two cents, I don't like the look of Nolans Joker at all! I want the classic comic book Joker.

Really? This is a classic comic book Joker here. It's his first app. & it classic with it happend in the comic book during the 40s.

They should of cast someone that looks like the joker, Willem Dafoe, or that guy from the Willard movie, Heath Ledger just isn't doing it for me.

Anyone can look like the Joker with makeup. You don't need to look 100% like him. Beside, you think Nicholson look like Joker when he is no difference than Ledger? I think you're being a little too picky. We haven't seen what Ledger can do, so let not say he is wrong for the role.

This will probably be a great movie, but this guy looks nothing like the joker.

Again, how does Dafoe & Glover look like Joker when they are about the same as Ledger? You're judging on look alone than acting. Acting is what count first. If Ledger nail it, you shouldn't worry about how his Joker look anymore. As long he has white skins, green hair, & red lips, it shouldn't matter.

 

[Jakk]

well isn't he wearing a mask to hide his face and thus the scars as well when he's outside the bank?

I can see a faint raising, but that's probably the quality, and I see nothing coming from either side of the mouth, and it's be much messier for the left scar.

 

[SuBe]

n00b, didn't you know that Heath isn't the REAL Joker?

In one of Nolan's epic plot twists, it is later revealed that the Heath-Joker is just one big Joker set-up by the REAL Joker in order to get his sick kicks, and so, at the end of the movie, we are left with a cliffhanger, as Batman prepares to combat the REAL Joker.

Mr. Rhoads, sir. Please don't be mean to me and all, but the gentleman that started this thread was a member of SHH since Oct 2005. That is just 11 months after you did. Now I'm no Mathologist, but even though he has only 18 post, maybe he speaks only when he has something to say. Unlike you. I've been coming to SHH for years, I've only Posted when something needs to be said.

Any who: I'm hoping that there is no Strict Plot Twist like in the first movie. Ledger is Joker. End Statement.

 

[Manosman]

From what's been revealed so far we know that when The Joker enters the bank he looks like this:

with very brown hair and flesh colored skin (importantly around the eyes). From the leaked bit of script we know that when he speaks to the bank teller he removes his mask and wipes his face (the towel is visible in the next pic). The bank clerk is horrified by his appearance. No one would be horrified by someone in makeup, but someone with ghostly white skin hiding underneath makeup would be very freaky.

In this pic he is still wearing the same clothes but we can see that there is no flesh tone around the eyes and his hair is very green.
This, taken with the hints from Nolan about the first Joker appearances, should give a pretty clear indication about The Joker's true look.
He applies makeup.
Flesh colored makeup.

i posted this some time ago, but ill post it again.......
how many days did it take to shoot this bank robbery scene? probably 3-5 days right, why would they paint heath's face for the days that they weren't filming the "reveal" of the joker. especially if he would be doing most if not all of the filming with the mask on, it would be very uncomfortable for someone to wear makeup underneath a mask take after take, sweat and all.

plus it would be a waste of time to make him up if its not going to be used.

my theory, they filmed him with the mask on, without makeup since its not needed, then when they were good an ready to film the "reveal" they put makeup on him, and then wore the mask. most days filming mask + no makeup, 1 or 2 days filming mask+ makeup=reveal day.

pretty much these pictures dont really prove anything, not even the imax one, because that shot may not be in the movie and might have been released to promote them doing some scenes in imax. plus we dont know what the masks actually consist of. my point is we may never know until the movie comes out.

 

[the_monk]

From what's been revealed so far we know that when The Joker enters the bank he looks like this:

with very brown hair and flesh colored skin (importantly around the eyes). From the leaked bit of script we know that when he speaks to the bank teller he removes his mask and wipes his face (the towel is visible in the next pic). The bank clerk is horrified by his appearance. No one would be horrified by someone in makeup, but someone with ghostly white skin hiding underneath makeup would be very freaky.

In this pic he is still wearing the same clothes but we can see that there is no flesh tone around the eyes and his hair is very green.
This, taken with the hints from Nolan about the first Joker appearances, should give a pretty clear indication about The Joker's true look.
He applies makeup.
Flesh colored makeup.

I really have no clue what's going on here, but I just want to say that all these pics get me so amped up for this movie. That is all.

 

[gwynplaine]

I really have no clue what's going on here, but I just want to say that all these pics get me so amped up for this movie. That is all.

Me too.

 

[Victarion]

Si senorita

---Morzan

 

[Mastermason]

i posted this some time ago, but ill post it again.......
how many days did it take to shoot this bank robbery scene? probably 3-5 days right, why would they paint heath's face for the days that they weren't filming the "reveal" of the joker. especially if he would be doing most if not all of the filming with the mask on, it would be very uncomfortable for someone to wear makeup underneath a mask take after take, sweat and all.

plus it would be a waste of time to make him up if its not going to be used.

my theory, they filmed him with the mask on, without makeup since its not needed, then when they were good an ready to film the "reveal" they put makeup on him, and then wore the mask. most days filming mask + no makeup, 1 or 2 days filming mask+ makeup=reveal day.

pretty much these pictures dont really prove anything, not even the imax one, because that shot may not be in the movie and might have been released to promote them doing some scenes in imax. plus we dont know what the masks actually consist of. my point is we may never know until the movie comes out.

You make some valid points, and it could be that you are absolutely right. However, it would not be a big deal to just put on the black around Heath's eyes under the mask. It wouldn't be necessary to paint his entire face for shooting mask scenes, just the eyes. It is apparent in the two clowns photo that the skin around the eyes is flesh colored. As meticulous and close-to-the-vest as Nolan is, I don't believe he would let a photo be released unless it was in it's finished form. In my opinion, I think the flesh colored skin is meant to be there. At least I hope so.

 

[sglass03]

The bank sequence is very confusing, at least when you take a look at the spy pics. One could make the argument, as a poster did above, that they simply didn't bother putting Heath's makeup on for the exterior shots (where he's wearing the mask) because it wasn't necessary. Then, for the interior shots, when he removes the mask, they made sure he was made up (as obviously, his "reveal" is a closeup, as the official pic above w/ Nolan attests.)

But there's one problem with all of this - Joker goes in with brown hair (though it has a streak or two of green in it.) We can see this from the spy pics of Heath. However, in the reveal shot, he clearly has very green hair, at least greener than it was when he went in.

So the question is: how did this happen? He goes in with brown, and yet when the mask comes off, it's green. If something wipes away the brown, it means his hair was dyed brown, right? I'm not making assumptions here, these are just guesses. I really can't figure it out.

 

[the_monk]

The bank sequence is very confusing, at least when you take a look at the spy pics. One could make the argument, as a poster did above, that they simply didn't bother putting Heath's makeup on for the exterior shots (where he's wearing the mask) because it wasn't necessary. Then, for the interior shots, when he removes the mask, they made sure he was made up (as obviously, his "reveal" is a closeup, as the official pic above w/ Nolan attests.)

But there's one problem with all of this - Joker goes in with brown hair (though it has a streak or two of green in it.) We can see this from the spy pics of Heath. However, in the reveal shot, he clearly has very green hair, at least greener than it was when he went in.

So the question is: how did this happen? He goes in with brown, and yet when the mask comes off, it's green. If something wipes away the brown, it means his hair was dyed brown, right? I'm not making assumptions here, these are just guesses. I really can't figure it out.

Maybe he holds the bank hostage for a while, giving him time to put his makeup on and dye his hair for his address to the city.

 

[Tournée d'adieu]

Maybe he holds the bank hostage for a while, giving him time to put his makeup on and dye his hair for his address to the city.

"Be good little hostages and stay where you are while I run off to the little boy's room to smear some paint all over my face to be scary."

 

[DocLathropBrown]

From what's been revealed so far we know that when The Joker enters the bank he looks like this:

with very brown hair and flesh colored skin (importantly around the eyes). From the leaked bit of script we know that when he speaks to the bank teller he removes his mask and wipes his face (the towel is visible in the next pic). The bank clerk is horrified by his appearance. No one would be horrified by someone in makeup, but someone with ghostly white skin hiding underneath makeup would be very freaky.

In this pic he is still wearing the same clothes but we can see that there is no flesh tone around the eyes and his hair is very green.
This, taken with the hints from Nolan about the first Joker appearances, should give a pretty clear indication about The Joker's true look.
He applies makeup.
Flesh colored makeup.

If this is true, I'll be as happy as a pig in slop. Latino Review is usually right, so I'll rejoice for now. I was hoping that Nolan wasn't into "realism" enough that he would do what some "realist extremeists" here wanted, which is to completely wipe anything comic-booky from the Batman world.

Suddenly, I'm a little less down on Nolan directing this franchise.

 

[Mastermason]

The bank sequence is very confusing, at least when you take a look at the spy pics. One could make the argument, as a poster did above, that they simply didn't bother putting Heath's makeup on for the exterior shots (where he's wearing the mask) because it wasn't necessary. Then, for the interior shots, when he removes the mask, they made sure he was made up (as obviously, his "reveal" is a closeup, as the official pic above w/ Nolan attests.)

But there's one problem with all of this - Joker goes in with brown hair (though it has a streak or two of green in it.) We can see this from the spy pics of Heath. However, in the reveal shot, he clearly has very green hair, at least greener than it was when he went in.

So the question is: how did this happen? He goes in with brown, and yet when the mask comes off, it's green. If something wipes away the brown, it means his hair was dyed brown, right? I'm not making assumptions here, these are just guesses. I really can't figure it out.

You hit the nail on the head. If you notice the pictures of the non-whitefaced Joker (the police disguise and bank scene) you can see small amounts of green in his hair. I have to wonder why there would be green in his hair already if he were just going to dye it later (as another poster theorized). Again, my opinion only, but it makes more sense to me that the brown is a rush dye job to hide the green.

 

[Tournée d'adieu]

with very brown hair and flesh colored skin (importantly around the eyes). From the leaked bit of script we know that when he speaks to the bank teller he removes his mask and wipes his face (the towel is visible in the next pic). The bank clerk is horrified by his appearance. No one would be horrified by someone in makeup, but someone with ghostly white skin hiding underneath makeup would be very freaky.

In this pic he is still wearing the same clothes but we can see that there is no flesh tone around the eyes and his hair is very green.
This, taken with the hints from Nolan about the first Joker appearances, should give a pretty clear indication about The Joker's true look.
He applies makeup.
Flesh colored makeup.

I never noticed before that he was holding a towel. That's a very interesting detail. Currently I'm very in line with your perspective.

I dunno, these decoy theories floating around seem a bit much for a five minute clip. I'm sure it could be handled well somehow, but it seems just a bit overly complicated, specifically in the whole "they're wearing the same thing!" sense.

Also, as people have been pointing out, it'd be really easy to put black paint around Heath's eyes while he's wearing the mask and not worry about the rest of his face, if we're to accept the argument that they didn't bother because he's wearing a mask. But they didn't, and the mostly brown hair is curious as well. To go along with that, personally I can't imagine the Joker interrupting a robbery to apply make-up. He'd do that before he robbed the bank. And anyway, why would he add a bit of green to his hair and then say, "oh, well, I'll do the rest when I get to the bank!"

What really screws up this robbery scene for me is the school bus element. They return for the hospital explosion, which is presumably later in the film. Does he hold on to them for that long? Are they just different buses? Maybe Joker hijacks the hospital buses and THEN robs the same bank he robbed earlier in the film? At any rate, Nolan is a master at the bus motif.

But I digress.

On the other hand, we have that interrogation picture where the make-up is all smudgy. Now, he's wearing the same clothes he wore when he crashed that party, and presumably when his truck is totaled he's taken in. It would make sense after that fight sequence he'd be disheveled. But we saw earlier his make-up was fully intact, but when Batman is throwing him around, it isn't anymore. And I doubt he added some flesh make-up in jail to confuse people. Or perhaps he always had flesh tone as a base?

It's all so muddled.

 

[the_monk]

Personally, I'm glad we don't know the answer to these questions yet.

 

[Manosman]

i think everyone has got some great theories, whether they are for make up or permawhite.

i personally think that sometime before the film starts he gets his scars and is somewhat bleached, but not completely bleached white, same goes for his hair. he later adds make up to complete the effect (more white, black eyes, red lips, green hair),

so in the leaked pics its his makeup running, but he's still partially white and partially skin toned, in like streaks, think of batman 89 at the museum when vale throws water on the joker and then goes boo hahahah, and its flesh makeup running and white face showing, im thinking heath joker is somewhat like that appearance naturally.

Again this is what i think until i see the movie or there is some hard evidence against it.

as for the bank, its all a mystery!

the debate continues.......

 

[mattyt81]

two observations here... in the pic of Heath outside the bank, while not wearing the mask, if you lighten the image it looks like there is bits of green through his hair just above his forehead.

secondly, in the police uniform pic, his hair looks to be much shorter than in any other photos we've seen. my guess is that this scene is somewhere near the end of the movie, possibly after escaping from police custody? and if so, he would have had all his makeup already washed off while he was locked away (assuming he isnt really "perma-white")

 

[bkey]

with very brown hair and flesh colored skin (importantly around the eyes). From the leaked bit of script we know that when he speaks to the bank teller he removes his mask and wipes his face (the towel is visible in the next pic). The bank clerk is horrified by his appearance. No one would be horrified by someone in makeup, but someone with ghostly white skin hiding underneath makeup would be very freaky.

There is nothing in the sides of that scene about the Joker wiping his face. Also, you mentioned that in the pic of Joker in the police uniform you can see green in his hair. Thats not true. Also the bts pic showing Nolan directing the Joker may not even be from the same scene as other pics. It may be from the IMAX prologue, which may not even be in the movie.

 

[Victarion]

The bank scene is supposedly where he blows the manager's head off correct?

---Morzan

 

[bkey]

secondly, in the police uniform pic, his hair looks to be much shorter than in any other photos we've seen. my guess is that this scene is somewhere near the end of the movie, possibly after escaping from police custody? and if so, he would have had all his makeup already washed off while he was locked away (assuming he isnt really "perma-white")

The police pic is from his

Spoiler

assassination attempt on the mayor at Commissioner Loeb's funeral. He has no make up on so that he can easily fit into the crowd.

 

[bkey]

The bank scene is supposedly where he blows the manager's head off correct?

---Morzan

correct

 

[Reek]

The bank scene is supposedly where he blows the manager's head off correct?

---Morzan

i heard the first bank robbery attempt fails, and he has to go back, then blows his head off.... but dont hold me to that, i obviously dont know for sure.

 

[jimmy]

i heard the first bank robbery attempt fails, and he has to go back, then blows his head off.... but dont hold me to that, i obviously dont know for sure.

You know, that might actually make sense: the first attempt fails, and while Joker is escaping, Batman scars him on the zip line or something; the second attempt, he has the nasty, freshly cut scars, and reveals them when he robs the bank the second time.

HM! Ho-HUM!