The New Ghostbusters - Part 5

[Dr. Evil]

If they wanted a black woman from SNL, why not Sasheer Zamata instead of Leslie Jones?

 

[Vaibow]

If they had gone all male and then hired say, i don't know, Scarlet Johansen as the secretary and said 'oh and we'll see her cleavage or butt in tight jeans' pretty much everyone would face palm and think 'really.... in 2015??'

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

If they wanted a black woman from SNL, why not Sasheer Zamata instead of Leslie Jones?

Question... Which one of the two do you think was hired for her talent and which one do you think was hired for her looks?

There's your answer. Jones has a rep among the comedy scene in NYC, had for awhile before getting on SNL. She's got the respect of her peers.

 

[Urich Leeds]

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/tom...ds-for-critics-of-paul-feigs-ghostbusters-589

Tom Rothman on the internet negativity to the female cast.

I'm so sick of the "If you don't like what you see of this movie, you're sexist" excuse.

It's BS, and it causes me to hate this movie more each time I see one of them say it.

Seriously, why can't fans (myself included) dislike the "all female" Ghostbusters gimmick (and it is most certainly a gimmick) without being labeled sexist and/or misogynist?

It's just a poor gimmick. Plain and simple. And its pretty much just supplanting the old "all black remake" gimmick which, to be fair, has worked in some cases. But its still just a gimmick to try to get butts in seats, and its a poor one IMO.

Any remake or reboot that uses race or gender to create new appeal is just dumb and borderline insulting, and it implies the franchise (whichever that may be) can't appeal to everyone, or can't be updated or evolve to appeal to a wider audience without going to extreme lengths such as an all female cast or all black cast, which are sometimes equally, if not less, diverse than what the original was.

If they wanted to appeal to females, or plain and simply be more diverse, they could've just gone with Akyroyd's idea for GB3, or something similar to it. The man wouldn't shut up about the great female character(s)they would be introducing, and would more or less be the new lead. Or better yet, go with (pardon the pun) a extremely diverse cast of characters like Extreme Ghostbusters, which featured a black guy, a latino, a guy in a wheel chair, and a female (who was a prominent lead and easily the most intelligent member of the team) when it aired.

That is a MUCH better way to be diverse and offer something new than to just say "Let's make it all female".

But I digress.

I just hate that we're all but forced to like/settle for this, or be labeled one the worst things you can be labeled in 2015.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Why can't the actual overall quality of whatever it is, in this case a fun and funny remake of the Ghostbusters, be a separate issue to all that you just typed though? Why? Say it is a "gimmick"... Okay... So what? Is the writing of the story and characters funny? Are the production values good? Did it make the audience laugh and have a good time? If it does that then... Who the frack cares about it being gimmicky? And there is where I have a problem with the fans being so loud about this... None of what you or others bring up is germane to the actual content or quality of the film. It's a choice the creators made and hopefully they deliver on the far more important aspects. That's what I would be far more concerned about. Instead I keep hearing harping on the ONE aspect that seems to stand out... The female cast. Is it a wonder why the term sexism is being thrown around? I don't mean that to be a smart ass, I mean that to really open some eyes. If instead of saying, "I don't like the gimmick of an all female cast" and instead the the line of criticism was, "I don't like the director's previous work" or "I don't like Mcarthy or Wiig as comedians" then, fine. BUT that doesn't seem to be what I hear a lot. I hear that for some reason it seems to offend fans that they made this film with an all female cast. Sorry, rightly or wrongly, if that is the bone of contention, then, yeah, it's not a surprise that some look at that as having a whiff of sexism to it.

 

[Urich Leeds]

Well I don't like McCarthy and Jones comedy, but that's besides the point I was trying to make.

I was talking about and focusing specifically on the "all female" aspect of this film, and why I don't like it.

But if you must know, I am very much turned off by their involvement, and certain creative decisions Feig made. But there are also things I do like. I like the proton packs and the ecto-1. But the DNA of the originals is so present, its hard not to.

That said, I just have no reason to believe I'll be board with this film (quality wise) given I don't like anything Feig (nor McCarthy) has done before.

 

[Mike_D202]

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/tom...ds-for-critics-of-paul-feigs-ghostbusters-589

Tom Rothman on the internet negativity to the female cast.

Rothman is no stranger to not giving a **** about fans. I think everybody knows that.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Rotham with the final nail in the coffin

this will be a repeat of Fantastic Four

 

[flickchick85]

Why can't the actual overall quality of whatever it is, in this case a fun and funny remake of the Ghostbusters, be a separate issue to all that you just typed though? Why? Say it is a "gimmick"... Okay... So what? Is the writing of the story and characters funny? Are the production values good? Did it make the audience laugh and have a good time? If it does that then... Who the frack cares about it being gimmicky? And there is where I have a problem with the fans being so loud about this... None of what you or others bring up is germane to the actual content or quality of the film. It's a choice the creators made and hopefully they deliver on the far more important aspects. That's what I would be far more concerned about. Instead I keep hearing harping on the ONE aspect that seems to stand out... The female cast. Is it a wonder why the term sexism is being thrown around? I don't mean that to be a smart ass, I mean that to really open some eyes. If instead of saying, "I don't like the gimmick of an all female cast" and instead the the line of criticism was, "I don't like the director's previous work" or "I don't like Mcarthy or Wiig as comedians" then, fine. BUT that doesn't seem to be what I hear a lot. I hear that for some reason it seems to offend fans that they made this film with an all female cast. Sorry, rightly or wrongly, if that is the bone of contention, then, yeah, it's not a surprise that some look at that as having a whiff of sexism to it.

Great post, I agree.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

The original Ghostbusters team was all male. Why is that okay but not an all female team?

 

[terry78]

If the vagina percentage in a movie is more than 50%, we gotta shut it off.

 

[Mike_D202]

I think a majority of the posters here already clarified several times its not a gender issue, but the people that are promoting the film are insisting it is. It's funny that they have to call us sexist for not liking this idea when I guarantee most of the fans who are against this are NOT complaining about Rey in the Force Awakens.

 

[Sawyer]

I think a majority of the posters here already clarified several times its not a gender issue, but the people that are promoting the film are insisting it is. It's funny that they have to call us sexist for not liking this idea when I guarantee most of the fans who are against this are NOT complaining about Rey in the Force Awakens.

No, that's what Finn is there for.

 

[JangoNate]

For the record, the guy isn't calling all fans mysoginists or even all the fans who are against the reboot. He's calling out the mysoginists, period, the ones that really are out there in internet land. Why do we get so defensive? If you don't like the reboot for reasons other than it being women, this message does not apply to you.

 

[DyeLorean]

At the end of the day, nobody will care about all that if the movie is really good.

 

[JangoNate]

I'm just waiting to actually know something about the film so that there's something to talk about besides pointless info like Hemsworth taking off his shirt. Hasn't he done that in every one of his movies anyway? Wasn't news there.

 

[Sithborg]

I think a majority of the posters here already clarified several times its not a gender issue, but the people that are promoting the film are insisting it is. It's funny that they have to call us sexist for not liking this idea when I guarantee most of the fans who are against this are NOT complaining about Rey in the Force Awakens.

You don't really participate much with the Star Wars fandom, do you? The amount of racism and sexism that Finn, Rey, Phasma, and Leia have been subjected to is just as equally disgusting. At this point, all fandoms have a sick underbelly.

Hopefully you are just blind to how the arguments come across. Male team, what issue, just like the originals. Mixed, perfectly fine. But female team, it is a gimmick, it's pandering. I mean, most of the people on the defensive have said they would be fine with a mixed team. But why is it that the female team not good enough? Can you not see that 1 out of the three options being lesser is inherently sexist?

If the criticism had been only on the actual actresses and Feig, then it wouldn't have been an issue. But it hasn't. Hell, I've seen too many attacks on their attractiveness on this site to not have a sexist undertone. Just try to look at how others would look at the arguments looks to outsiders.

 

[The Guard]

There's a bit too much "HOW DARE THEY! I DIDN'T SAY THAT! I HATE THIS FILM ON PRINCIPLE!" anytime anyone attached with this project makes accusations of sexism.

No one accused anyone personally of sexism. They're addressing actual comments that people HAVE made, not labeling all fans sexist.

As for an all female team being a "gimmick"...so? The concept of "Ghostbusters" itself is a gimmick. Even within the world of the story.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

How is a female team "pandering" but an all male team isn't? Movies pander to men all the time. The entire film industry panders to the male demographic all the time. I guess some men are upset that now women are being pandered to the same way men are all the time with these kinds of movies, and its something they can't wrap their head around.

 

[terry78]

Pandering to men is kind of an oxymoron as it's assumed everything on Earth is pandering to us.

 

[def28]

How is a female team "pandering" but an all male team isn't? Movies pander to men all the time. The entire film industry panders to the male demographic all the time. I guess some men are upset that now women are being pandered to the same way men are all the time with these kinds of movies, and its something they can't wrap their head around.

The only thing this film is pandering to right now is Feig's ideas. But Female led properties are not a new thing. Come on now. I take it most of us grew up with Buffy, Dark Angel, Xena, Underworld, Resident Evil, La Femme Nikita etc right? Us dudes love the heck out of female led genre properties. And with female led comedies like Feigs films where the humor is uNiversal and not pandering to a typical chick flick formula we dig those too. If your funny your funny.

The bottom line is that this is an extremely popular property. And they are ditching the mythos. People are gonna be pissed at any changes. Any fan on this site should not be surprised at that. The producers should be talking more about how the changes are beneficial instead of focusing on only the bs sexist issues and saying "****" all the time. Especially a jerk like Rothman, who has a ton of making up to do before he gets any fan credibility. Fans are getting the idea that they think this about everyone who has an issue with the films changes.

With fan properties this all comes down to the same thing and that's changes. If someone is actually an angry sexist bully then it should be common sense to ignore that person and not give their words the attention they seek. Those people are not going away and changing their thoughts. Most of these internet/twitter haters are out to specificall troll and piss people off by baiting. And way too many people buy into it. People should block them and not give them the attention they are trying to get. You can't reason with *******s like that.

 

[terry78]

I think when people in the industry do stuff that is obviously them trying to stick it to people that they're engaging in arguments with, it can backfire.

 

[def28]

Definitely. Especially when a certain portion of the audience is looking for more reasons to hate them. They are better off being supportive of their project and letting the film speak for itself without hostility.

Cause ultimately by release the film will be all that matters.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

I really don't get the complaints about this. People try to explain themselves how it's not because of the all-female team, but they only just end up making it sound like it's exactly cause of the all-female team. I get that humor is subjective, but I thought Bridesmaids, The Heat and Spy were all hilarious films. Paul Feig's track record is good and the cast is awesome so let's just wait for the trailer at least.

personally its just because i have not enjoyed any of this directors past work, i did laugh at aspects of the heat but ultimately it was forgettable. thats what worry's me i couldn't give a flying toss if it was all female, all male, mixed one male one female a small robot and a monkey

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

The only thing this film is pandering to right now is Feig's ideas. But Female led properties are not a new thing. Come on now. I take it most of us grew up with Buffy, Dark Angel, Xena, Underworld, Resident Evil, La Femme Nikita etc right? Us dudes love the heck out of female led genre properties. And with female led comedies like Feigs films where the humor is uNiversal and not pandering to a typical chick flick formula we dig those too. If your funny your funny.

just playing devils advocate here, while you do have examples of great intelligent female characters once the movie/tv shows were viewed, with the exception of buffy every one of them relied on nothing but ohh look hot women in skimpy outfits kicking ass as a marketing device