The New Ghostbusters - Part 9

[DarthSkywalker]

It was an obvious joke.

In which case I apologize for misreading your post chaseter.

 

[danoyse]

Folks, this thread is about the new Ghostbusters movie, not GamerGate. Let’s stay on the subject.

Honestly, if you’re going to turn this discussion into one about how anyone should just have to accept online threats...just stop talking altogether.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Again, I have to wonder how this movie would be received with an all-male cast. I really don't think it would have been much better (a lazy Hollywood reboot). And it wouldn't have feminist defenders obviously.

It would still have been a tough sell because they are always gonna be compared to the originals with the only difference being sony couldn't blame it on sexism

I mean who would they have cast? Channing Tatum?

I think a lot of fans were incensed by the notion that they rebooted this just to have a vehicle for these female stars.

I still believe that to be the case, at least for Paul Feig anyway

 

[samsnee]

The clock hasn't run down to 0:00 yet. If this actually ends up making the money it needs, the hate around this movie will go under the rug. And hopefully, more female led action-franchises will increase cause the audience has spoken.

It won't change anything even if it is a success. Look at Bridesmaids. We aren't exactly seeing more female comedies out there.

 

[def28]

This film has always depended on it's marketing one way or the other. They have nobody to blame but themselves if it fails. The haters have always been in the minority and it's sad the internet can't figure that out. The marketing and trailers were poor and made this look like Scary Movie 11.

The majority of audiences and fans will just want to go to a good looking film. Not that complicated. Right now the only thing getting me or my friends to the theater is the name of the IP. It's Ghostbusters, so I'm gonna pay. Been waiting too long. All these reviews crying about the small percentage of nerds who have an issue with this cause it's women is just annoying. Judge the film as it's own and move the **** on. Most don't care!

...and 40m ain't a success. This film better hope for 50+ one way or the other.

 

[MadVillainy]

The clock hasn't run down to 0:00 yet. If this actually ends up making the money it needs, the hate around this movie will go under the rug. And hopefully, more female led action-franchises will increase cause the audience has spoken.

I wasnt even talking about in terms of box office.

I mean we've seen female led comedies before, not a lot but theyre there. AS someone pointed out Bridesmaids was a smash. The HEat made really good money. The Boss made money this year. Even Bad Moms is coming out later this summer.

If it's true that this film has a ot of men are stupid humor, that's not helping. As I said before, to build women up you don't have to tear down men.

Also, and it still kind rubs me the wrong way, that they used the exact same racial make up of the original. And then made the only person of color the only non scientist that has "street smarts". The whole movie to me reeks of the "feminism so white" criticism. Constance Wu, Awkwafina, Nasim Pedrad, Aubrey PLaza are all very funny women.

I just think if youre gonna make a movie to truly represent that women are funny and to show diversity, make it for all types of women. Otherwise this isn't that much different to me than most Hollywood productions

Look at Neighbors 2 released earlier. Very strong feminist/pro women message, had a diverse cast in terms of race, body type, etc. and didn't need to necessarily bash men in order to be a good movie to me. And I didn't see it but Mike and Dave need Wedding Dates I heard wasn't the greatest but did good for women because it allowed women to be just a gross out and depraved as men usually are.

Im not a woman so Im looking at this from the outside looking in, but I really don't see how Ghostbusters does anything for feminism. 1) There have been successful female led comedies before 2) bashing men doesnt really help a feminist message (again Im just going off what I read I havent seen the movie) 3) there have been and will be women led comedies some even released this summer if you really wanna do more for women in film have a bunch of different types of women and put them at the same level as their white counterparts 4) There are better movies out there that have represented a strong pro woman message, even some of them released this summer

EDIT: you know I think this is the first $100+ movie starring women. At least the first in a while. So that's good

 

[bluejake01]

I'm going to try and address the Leslie Jones criticisms. She is not just "street smart". She is educated. She is book smart. She studies history. She may not be a particle physicist, but she is intelligent. The way her character behaves may read to some as a minstrel or stereotype, but it's actually toned down from the way Leslie Jones presents herself in interviews and in her standup. She is not a one note character, but she is very much a product of Leslie Jones' performance.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Leslie Jones was actually the only performance I liked.

 

[bluejake01]

Also, the test screening didn't have any "man bashing" and the handful of reviews that I've seen that mention it, mention that all the men are either dumb or jerks. The thing is, most of the rest of the world are dumb or jerks to the Ghostbusters in the movie, male or female. They are the quintessential, misunderstood underdogs.

 

[hopeless]

I was wondering from the trailers whether she's some sort of Evangelist so when she slapped McCarthy she was otherwise actually exorcising the evil spirit from her?!

 

[Abudefduf]

At this point I think it's safe to say that this movie should've opened with a content warning for male bashing and reverse sexism. The triggering is real.

 

[bluejake01]

Won't somebody think of the men?! This oppression has to stop.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

The honest-to-God truth is both extreme sides of the argument (the fan/man-babies and the SJWs) have blown this outta proportion. Picked the whole pony to set their agendas over.

Not worth anyone's time and this ridiculous amount of overpraise from some and over-scorn from others.

 

[MadVillainy]

Also, the test screening didn't have any "man bashing" and the handful of reviews that I've seen that mention it, mention that all the men are either dumb or jerks. The thing is, most of the rest of the world are dumb or jerks to the Ghostbusters in the movie, male or female. They are the quintessential, misunderstood underdogs.

I thought I read the opposite.

Anyway I stand by my other points and still stand by the point that there are better ways to build women up

 

[bluejake01]

I thought I read the opposite.

Anyway I stand by my other points and still stand by the point that there are better ways to build women up

Oh? You formed that opinion sight unseen.

 

[MadVillainy]

Oh? You formed that opinion sight unseen.

I literally said in my post "if it's true" and "going off what I heard I haven't seen the movie" I was going off a rumor which isn't unheard of and didn't state it like it was fact like: "This movie does so and so" when I haven't seen it

 

[Abudefduf]

I'm not sure how much stock I want to put in those "male bashing" criticisms, mainly because I've seen the same argument being made against SW7, even if to a lesser extent and definitely not by any respectable critic.

I mean, if it's true then it's a shame, but you know... it's a comedy. Does it really have to be politically correct.

The honest-to-God truth is both extreme sides of the argument (the fan/man-babies and the SJWs) have blown this outta proportion. Picked the whole pony to set their agendas over.

Not worth anyone's time and this ridiculous amount of overpraise from some and over-scorn from others.

Funnily enough, that's more or less how one critic on RT summed the movie up:

None of it adds up to much more than an average summer entertainment - never bad enough to warrant the chauvinist hatred, rarely good enough to deserve the feminist support.

 

[MadVillainy]

I don't think it's a PC issue. Or at least that wasn't what I was trying to put across.

Anyway, I didn't say it right apparently

 

[Abudefduf]

I don't think it's a PC issue. Or at least that wasn't what I was trying to put across.

Anyway, I didn't say it right apparently

Oh no wait, my post wasn't directed specifically at you, you are making some good points and I actually agree with you that doing this kind of stuff (again, if it's true) doesn't really help feminism. I'm just having a bit of dumb fun at the expense of the complainers.

 

[Retroman]

They're reairing Ghostbusters 2 twice on tv this week including a 5 minute sneak preview to the new film. What's weird is that the announcer in the spot urges viewers to see this "before they see Ghostbusters 3".

 

[terry78]

Harry at AICN has a theory that this isn't so much a reboot but an alternate dimension a la Star Trek.

 

[BeserkerHilf]

That theory's been going since they announced GhostCorps. It's a cop-out to claim that now. At least with Star Trek, the Kelvin universe was firmly and plausibly established. This would be a retcon of the entire production history.

 

[Lighthouse]

Harry at AICN has a theory that this isn't so much a reboot but an alternate dimension a la Star Trek.

Everything Harry writes is like pure bubble gum for the brain.

 

[Xrated48]

I checked my theater for the first showing tonight and now there are plenty of seats taken I guess good critic reviews are working smh

 

[EssayM]

It won't change anything even if it is a success. Look at Bridesmaids. We aren't exactly seeing more female comedies out there.

So Sisters, How to be Single, The Heat, Spy, Boss, and nearly every Melissa McCarthy movie since then (not to mention the upcoming Bad Moms) don't count?