Comics The "New Ways to Die" Thread...

[arachnid-guy]

If they keep Romita on board, I'm going to buy. Cos...well...Imma sucker for his artwork.

But it seems odd they'll have ANOTHER status quo changing almost straight after this BND one. Hm. Its promising. Very promising. Hopefully we MJ/Peter fans will get what we want.

I couldn't care about the re-masking....alls i wants is my Peter/MJ relationship back and them operating as a united front again. Still, it pains me to think of all the 'dead past' they experienced. However if they're back together...it could lessen the blow and i'll start collecting Amazing Spidey again.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Basically confirming the suspicions of some of us here:

About nobody knowing Spidey's ID:


This obviously shows us that it's not as simple as it just being "Mephisto did it".


About Spidey's "WE" when speaking about him obviously being aware of the mind-wipe about his ID:


Again, confirming that as far as the mind-wipe goes, it's most likely NOT Mephisto's doing.


And THIS certainly has my attention!




And how's THIS for ominous??:



Could Menace be a clone?
Could Menace be Eugene "Flash" Thomposon??

Ben Reilly?

 

[WolfCypher]

http://www.milehighcomics.com/firstlook/091008/as571cvr.html

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

i wasn't that impressed with the latest issue, something just seemed lacking. i'm not keen on the idea of harry being menace and hopefully its a red herring mainly cause i want a goblin fight.

is it just me or did jr's art seem to have went off on a tangent this issue norman looked really off

 

[imdaly]

Harry's actually one of the LAST people I'd suspect of being Menace.

 

[imdaly]

And we've got our IGN preview to Part 4!

http://comics.ign.com/articles/908/908639p1.html


Some more interesting bits of info we get from Menace:

Spoiler

- Menace is DEFINITELY not a friend of Norman.
- Menace apparently knows not only that Norman = Green Goblin, but Menace also knows about Norman's "death" from ASM #122.

Hmm....

 

[Farren]

Doesn't everyone know Norman is the GG these days?

 

[imdaly]

I don't know. The way I read the stories since he's been leading the TB's, it seems to me like everyone somehow doesn't know, and only a few people still do.

But I could definitely be wrong about this.

 

[Farren]

Last I knew he was outed as the GG in The Pulse, but my current Norman information is minimal so I could possibly be wrong as well (ie maybe he 'proved' that story false with a lawsuit or something)!

(Thanks for the preview link btw...it appears Norman's hair is still doing something funky).

 

[kguillou]

Thats impossible, Norman has many times in the past very blatently made it known that he was the green goblin when he endangered New York city. Not only that, but when Peter unmasked during civil war, he made it known that he was definitely the green goblin and a horrible human being ( but thats assuming the unmasking still happened. lol)

 

[Farren]

Thanks for clarifying.

I don't know what to make of the info about Norman's death...that does seem like rather secretive information since originally Harry cleaned up the crime scene so no one knew about the glider impalement at the time. Only three people (Pete, Harry and Norman) knew the truth there, unless we know of anyone else they told it to.

I still think Carlie is likely Menace and that this is more Red Herring stuff. She could have gleaned the information from Harry, although I admit I don't think that would be something Harry would casually talk about, unless he's in on equipping her as Menace.

At this point I somewhat wish Harry were Menace, because, cliche as that would be, it would actually show some character development in that he's now standing up to his dad, even if it's behind a stupid mask.

 

[imdaly]

Only three people (Pete, Harry and Norman) knew the truth there, unless we know of anyone else they told it to.

And any clones of Peter.

Remember the "gene pool" comment from the IGN interview the other day!

Or he's a crazy thought.....Liz?

 

[Farren]

And any clones of Peter.

Remember the "gene pool" comment from the IGN interview the other day!

Or he's a crazy thought.....Liz?

Oh, right -- good call on the clones! Ben would definately know.

While I certainly don't think Liz could be Menace (that would just be so wrong), she might have known about Norman's death as well. Although I don't get the impression her and Harry discussed GG type stuff much at all.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Everyone knows about Norman. I just read a one-shot with Pete and Harry at Harry's birthday party. Some rich guys were mocking Harry about "Goblin insurance" and his college being a "nut house". One guy even said "like father, like son".

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I have to say. Despite my utter disgust of OMD & BND, I am really enjoying this arc! Having JR JR back certainly helps!

I even don't mind Norman not remembering. He lost his memory plenty back in the day, so this would even work without BND.

OK, first, I'd like to ask what the heck is the public standing on Norman? I know initially, when Norman died, no one knew he was GG. Later on, Ben Urich wrote a book about Norman being GG. Then Norman comes back, and claims he faked his death to escape enemies and went about trying to say he wasn't GG (using a 5th GG, who was that anyway?) But, then he was arrested in Marvel Knights, therefore again Norman & GG known as the same. Then Spidey helps him break out and he disappears in a fight with Doc Ock. Norman sends a letter to Pete. But then, he was in jail again during Civil War (mad that Pete unmasked). How was he arrested again? And then he tries to assassinate an ambasador from Atlantis? Did the government make him do it? If so, why? And then they turn around and make him the director of Thunderbolts? Am I missing something?

Anyway, I see speculation on the ID of Menace, such as Carlie, Lily, and Harry. Hints in this arc seem to point to Harry. But let me offer a weird theory:

Ben Urich!

Ben certainly knows Norman is GG. His research probably let him know where some of Norman's store houses are. He has been featured again in Amazing, running the Pulse. He seemed to latch on the sweatshop angle that Menace "accidentally" exposed. He seems to be a Hollister supporter (both Ben & Menace). And this wouldn't be the first time Marvel linked a newspaper man with a Goblin (Ned Leeds/Hobgoblin). Seems Ben is trying to do some "good" with the Goblin stuff (from his political view). What do you think? Anyone? Just me?

 

[Spider-Gnome]

It's just me then?

Oh, well. Anyone have answers for me on my Norman questions?

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

It's just me then?

Oh, well. Anyone have answers for me on my Norman questions?

Im drawing a blank, myself. I know he was used as a pawn to start problems with the Atlanteans, then a mysterious figure gave him a serum to counter the nano technology that SHIELD was using to control him...then he turns up as director of the T-Bolts...

Not sure if im missing something or if it just hasnt been addressed yet...

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Im drawing a blank, myself. I know he was used as a pawn to start problems with the Atlanteans, then a mysterious figure gave him a serum to counter the nano technology that SHIELD was using to control him...then he turns up as director of the T-Bolts...

Not sure if im missing something or if it just hasnt been addressed yet...

Yeah. I mean what was the point of all that? I mean I like this storyline, and it is neat having Norman as the Thunderbolts director (it is the only reason I read that book). But, I'm a little confused how he got there, what's his public status as the Goblin, and what that whole Atlantean conspiracy was.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Yeah. I mean what was the point of all that? I mean I like this storyline, and it is neat having Norman as the Thunderbolts director (it is the only reason I read that book). But, I'm a little confused how he got there, what's his public status as the Goblin, and what that whole Atlantean conspiracy was.

Well, i think the conspiracy was the Skrulls, posing as SHIELD agents, were trying to cause confusion and division on Earth before they invaded. It's been alluded that they are responsible for the recent Civil War....

What im not clear on is who gave Osborn the serum to counter the nanos, and how did he get appointed T-Bolts director?

Maybe i'll re-read his early T-Bolts appearances this weekend and see if we're forgetting something...

 

[kguillou]

It was revealed in the last issue of Civil War: Frontline that Tony Stark was the one supplying Norman the serum. Tony was responsible for the Atlantean attack because he wanted to persuade the anti-reg heroes to unite with the pro-regs to fight for a common cause. I couldnt make this stuff up people.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

It was revealed in the last issue of Civil War: Frontline that Tony Stark was the one supplying Norman the serum. Tony was responsible for the Atlantean attack because he wanted to persuade the anti-reg heroes to unite with the pro-regs to fight for a common cause. I couldnt make this stuff up people.

I get the impression that Marvel was seriously considering making Stark a villain back then...remember when he secretly paid Titanium Man to attack him and Peter at the press conference? Shady stuff....

 

[T'Jai]

I get the impression that Marvel was seriously considering making Stark a villain back then...remember when he secretly paid Titanium Man to attack him and Peter at the press conference? Shady stuff....

he is a businessman...

and who's to say some of that stuff wasn't a Skrull disguised as Tony. They did replace Dugan who was his right hand man wouldn't be to hard to have another Skrull within Shield pretend to be a few different people to add to the chaos would make things easier on the other end...

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

he is a businessman...

and who's to say some of that stuff wasn't a Skrull disguised as Tony. They did replace Dugan who was his right hand man wouldn't be to hard to have another Skrull within Shield pretend to be a few different people to add to the chaos would make things easier on the other end...

Good point!

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Well, i think the conspiracy was the Skrulls, posing as SHIELD agents, were trying to cause confusion and division on Earth before they invaded. It's been alluded that they are responsible for the recent Civil War....

What im not clear on is who gave Osborn the serum to counter the nanos, and how did he get appointed T-Bolts director?

Maybe i'll re-read his early T-Bolts appearances this weekend and see if we're forgetting something...

Well they sure confused me! t:

I know after they arrested Norman for the assassination attempt, some men came and took him away. I assumed they took him to be the Thunderbolts director. But why? Thanks for any info you can dig up, Cap!

 

[Spider-Gnome]

It was revealed in the last issue of Civil War: Frontline that Tony Stark was the one supplying Norman the serum. Tony was responsible for the Atlantean attack because he wanted to persuade the anti-reg heroes to unite with the pro-regs to fight for a common cause. I couldnt make this stuff up people.

I know Tony was being a bit of a jerk during Civil War, but they were making him that much of a jerk? Man, if I was an Iron-Man fan like I am Spidey, I would be just as pissed as I am now about Pete & the Devil!