The Official Batman (1989) Thread - Part 5

[The Joker]

They're good but they don't really get put with the big gun greats by most people. Neither does Burton's Batman. The big greats are Superman, TDK, Spider-Man 2, and Avengers. Winter Soldier and DOFP are climbing their way up there.

True. Also add X-Men 2 to that list. Guardians of the Galaxy is also one that is now commonly being listed as one of the best.

 

[BatLobster]

I remember in 2012 you were barely even allowed to talk about The Avengers so frankly the way some are in here, as mods were on hyper alert for DC/Marvel fan wars. It's a relief to finally see more people calling it out for the overrated fluff it is. The Avengers is definitely a historically notable CBM as it marked the moment of Marvel establishing dominance and every studio then trying to copy their strategy. But as a movie? C'mon. Even Whedon doesn't think it's a great film.

The score and production design alone put Batman 89 on another level. And even though I am critical of certain aspects of the script, it still tells a way more engaging story that immerses you in its world. I get that people loved Avengers and it'll probably continue to be considered one of the greats for years to come, but there's no way I can be convinced it deserves a spot up there while the more iconic and groundbreaking Batman 89 doesn't.

 

[Naked Shia]

yeah, you can't deny it was a thing, but as a movie, it really falls flat.

 

[The Shape]

"Puts Batman 89 into the conversation?" One could argue that there wouldn't even be a conversation if it wasn't for Batman 89.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Absolutely

 

[The Joker]

I remember in 2012 you were barely even allowed to talk about The Avengers so frankly the way some are in here, as mods were on hyper alert for DC/Marvel fan wars.

It's still that way. The only reason there's no reprisals here is hardly anyone except die hard Burton or Batman fans visit this thread. It's a safe cocoon to diss Marvel. Go to somewhere like the Misc Comic book forum and say it and see what happens.

yeah, you can't deny it was a thing, but as a movie, it really falls flat.

I would say the same thing about Batman '89. An event movie that had positive repercussions, but as a movie and a Batman movie, falls flat. Which is probably why it's not commonly listed among the best. It doesn't really deserve it. It might have been back in the day, when there wasn't much competition, and the genre had not really grown and improved.

 

[ThePhantasm]

It's still that way. The only reason there's no reprisals here is hardly anyone except die hard Burton or Batman fans visit this thread.

Nope, I see people say the same about the Avengers in the Marvel forum all the time. (And they are Marvel fans to boot)

 

[The Joker]

Nope, I see people say the same about the Avengers in the Marvel forum all the time. (And they are Marvel fans to boot)

Really, post some examples then please.

 

[Naked Shia]

Batman 89 shows a level of creativity, an eye for the visuals, and some incredible setpieces that put this movie above most other CBM. when it comes to storytelling, that's another question (even though I do think it has a lot of qualities in that regard), but as a movie, it's really bold and interesting. As a batman movie, it's also really good imo, way more than people give it credit for.

It's still about a dark vigilante of the night who dress as a giant bat because his parents were murdered in front of him, so yes, it's definitely a batman movie.

 

[The Joker]

Batman 89 shows a level of creativity, an eye for the visuals, and some incredible setpieces that put this movie above most other CBM. when it comes to storytelling, that's another question (even though I do think it has a lot of qualities in that regard), but as a movie, it's really bold and interesting. As a batman movie, it's also really good imo, way more than people give it credit for.

That's what you call style over substance. A criticism commonly, and often validly applied to this movie, and several of Burton's movies.

It's still about a dark vigilante of the night who dress as a giant bat because his parents were murdered in front of him, so yes, it's definitely a batman movie.

Come on you can say that about some of the worst Batman stories. They're still Batman stories, just poor ones.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

The Avengers was entertaining and that's about it

doesn't come close to how awesome Batman '89 is though

 

[ThePhantasm]

Really, post some examples then please.

Hahahaha

I could run a search and compile some examples for you, or I could do something more worthwhile, like literally anything

 

[The Joker]

Hahahaha

I could run a search and compile some examples for you, or I could do something more worthwhile, like literally anything

Yeah I didn't think so

 

[ThePhantasm]

Batman 89 shows a level of creativity, an eye for the visuals, and some incredible setpieces that put this movie above most other CBM. when it comes to storytelling, that's another question (even though I do think it has a lot of qualities in that regard), but as a movie, it's really bold and interesting. As a batman movie, it's also really good imo, way more than people give it credit for.

It's still about a dark vigilante of the night who dress as a giant bat because his parents were murdered in front of him, so yes, it's definitely a batman movie.

Actually, the storytelling in this film is incredible. Its just a bit more subtle at times than other Batman films I could speak of. It expects the audience to follow the character arcs on their own without spelling it out with a ton of exposition.

 

[The Shape]

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I would say the same thing about Batman '89. An event movie that had positive repercussions, but as a movie and a Batman movie, falls very flat. Which is probably why it's not commonly listed among the best. It doesn't deserve it. It might have been back in the day, when there wasn't much competition, and the genre had not really grown and improved.

# 4 on this list
http://www.hitfix.com/galleries/the-25-greatest-superhero-movies-of-all-time

#4 on this list
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/what-to-watch/best-superhero-movies-ever/

#5 on this list/poll
http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/...st-superhero-movies-20140409/5-batman-0951891

#10 on this list
http://www.maxim.com/entertainment/article/top-15-superhero-films-all-time

#21 on this list
http://www.empireonline.com/features/greatest-superhero-movies/p2


Those are just the first few results that came up in a Google search of "best superhero movies". I don't have the time nor desire to go on.

 

[Naked Shia]

Actually, the storytelling in this film is incredible. Its just a bit more subtle at times than other Batman films I could speak of. It expects the audience to follow the character arcs on their own without spelling it out with a ton of exposition.

I agree with you actually.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Yeah I didn't think so

You win this boring discussion by virtue of the fact that I'm lazy and don't give a **** about debating this

Everyone give Joker a hand for his intellectual prowess

 

[Keehar]

True. Also add X-Men 2 to that list. Guardians of the Galaxy is also one that is now commonly being listed as one of the best.

Yeah. GOTG is brill

Actually, the storytelling in this film is incredible. Its just a bit more subtle at times than other Batman films I could speak of. It expects the audience to follow the character arcs on their own without spelling it out with a ton of exposition.

Ha you couldn't make a ton of exposition out of B'89 because there ain't nothing to tell. Story is too shallow.

 

[The Shape]

Actually, the storytelling in this film is incredible. Its just a bit more subtle at times than other Batman films I could speak of. It expects the audience to follow the character arcs on their own without spelling it out with a ton of exposition.

Yes. Be careful who you choose to debate this point with, though, or any point about B89. It can be like talking to a wall.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Ha you couldn't make a ton of exposition out of B'89 because there ain't nothing to tell. Story is too shallow.

I'm writing up a detailed retrospective of B89 that argues otherwise. Almost done with it, I'll be interested to see what you think.

 

[The Shape]

I'm writing up a detailed retrospective of B89 that argues otherwise. Almost done with it, I'll be interested to see what you think.

Somehow, I don't think you will.

 

[Keehar]

I'm writing up a detailed retrospective of B89 that argues otherwise. Almost done with it, I'll be interested to see what you think.

Sure thing I'll give it a read with an open mind.

 

[Keehar]

Somehow, I don't think you will.

Now now play nice. You never could take people criticizing this movie could you. Trolling little digs every time a critic voice comes in here.

 

[The Shape]

Now now play nice. You never could take people criticizing this movie could you. Trolling little digs every time a critic voice comes in here.

I absolutely can take valid and thoughtful criticisms about this movie, or any movie. Just not from previously banned trolls whose main argument about the movie boils down to things like "it sucks, there's no story, no origin, it sucks".

 

[The Joker]

# 4 on this list
http://www.hitfix.com/galleries/the-25-greatest-superhero-movies-of-all-time

#4 on this list
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/what-to-watch/best-superhero-movies-ever/

#5 on this list/poll
http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/...st-superhero-movies-20140409/5-batman-0951891

#10 on this list
http://www.maxim.com/entertainment/article/top-15-superhero-films-all-time

You found four singular opinions on the worldwide web. Yes that certainly shows a consensus

#21 on this list
http://www.empireonline.com/features/greatest-superhero-movies/p2

A list with the likes of Hulk 2003 and Superman Returns being listed among the best.

Ok.

You win this boring discussion by virtue of the fact that I'm lazy and don't give a **** about debating this

Everyone give Joker a hand for his intellectual prowess

Dial it back, Phantasm. I don't know what your problem is. Is it so hard to be civil and mature? Or do we have to get a moderator in here to get some civility into this thread.

No offense but some of you act borderline hostile when anything remotely negative or critical about this movie seeps it's way into this thread. This isn't a fan thread. If you want a safe cocoon of Batman '89 love only then go and make one. I promise I'll stay out of it. If I don't then you have valid grounds to report me.