The Official Batman (1989) Thread - Part 5

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What do you mean Alfred's fed up with him? Like fed up with him being alone in old age?

Yes, hang up the cape, have a happy life or else you're going to die, miserable and alone. But I guess you could argue Rises Alfred was going in that direction.

Overall, I find the old Alfred to be so stupid. Forgive me, please, I cannot think of a better word at the moment. Feel free to criticize me. This is the guy who's supposed to play cover for his boss. "Going Ms. Vale? We'll be here for quite a while." Yes, Bruce probably didn't clue him in on this BUT Alfred should be smart enough to pick up on it and play along. Heck, scene afterwards he could go to Bruce after saying "yes, see you when we get back" and be like "thanks for making me lie again."
And this Alfred just lacks subtlety. Forgive me, as if we get off onto other films as he was always "THIS way sir" "the OTHER car".
 
This thread is starting to feel like an MOS debate thread...
 
Oh geez not this again. Have you gone and asked them to check out my profile like I told you yesterday? I bet you haven't. Go and do it now. I'm getting sick of being accused of being this person. It's not funny any more.


Not worth it since the fact that you've lasted this long means you likely have changed your IP address and all that stuff. By the way, congratulations on that accomplishment. My 8 year old cousin got a new IP address when his parents changed internet service providers recently.

You should be used to the accusations by now, anyway, you've been accused of the same thing since you re-joined.
 
Looks like TheShape was right. Another one bites the dust...

All he did was go badmouth Batman 1989 in other threads. It was weird, trollish activity.
 
We can now throw in words of how much we enjoy the movie without getting constantly interrupted.
I think there already is a Vicki scream montage.



At least she doesn't faint, except for that one time with Joker's gift.
 
Oh geez not this again. Have you gone and asked them to check out my profile like I told you yesterday? I bet you haven't. Go and do it now. I'm getting sick of being accused of being this person. It's not funny any more.

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Looks like TheShape was right. Another one bites the dust...

All he did was go badmouth Batman 1989 in other threads. It was weird, trollish activity.



All he did was badmouth B89, TDKR, and TASM2 -- just like he did as Fudgie and his other previous accounts, I'm sure.

Doesn't matter that he's banned. He'll be back sooner or later, unfortunately. I wonder why trolls like him have so much trouble staying away from this place.
 
I told him he was using the fallacy of circular logic in another thread and his reply was "what's circular logic"? :funny:

Hopefully he'll read up on how to reason rationally before coming back under another username.
 
*I wake up to see that Keehar/Fudgie was banned.....again.

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It's a pity the Hype doesn't have a way of refusing new members who's IP addresses match previously banned ones.
 
From the film’s opening seconds, it was boldly different. From the earliest salvo of urban suffering fired upon the frame, there is something clearly rotten in the city of Gotham. The weird anachronistic post-noir wasteland is falling to pieces. Built as an Art Deco hellscape, the architecture of the city is literally closing in on itself as it blots out the sun in a setting that would make citizens of Fritz Lang’s Metropolis cringe.

Even worse, the city is ruled entirely by a malevolent crimelord, Carl Grissom (Jack Palance). The police force is completely owned by the gangsters and the new district attorney is ineffectual. Fortunately, the decadent society may have a savior. On the streets, gossip spreads about a giant bat killing thugs. At first, only a few journalists, including photographer Vicki Vale (Kim Basinger), believe the rumors. But when mafioso sociopath Jack Napier (Jack Nicholson) is dropped by the wraith into a vat of chemicals during a police raid, the truth comes out. Slowly, Vicki unravels the mystery of Batman and realizes that he and her lover, millionaire Bruce Wayne (Keaton), are one and the same. But Batman has bigger problems to worry about during this time since Napier has come back from his chemical bath deformed into an insane mass murderer: The Joker. When Joker takes over all of Gotham’s criminal element to terrorize the local denizens and romance Vicki, only Batman can save the day.

Like what would come to define most of Burton’s films, Batman is a modern day fairy tale. It may be of the Grimm-variety but it is Burton telling, in the most straightforward way of his career, the story of good and evil. Gotham humorously reflects what the director thought of 1980s society. It is a self-obsessed, vain culture that ignores the decay of those on the margins. That makes the Joker’s initial main scheme, killing Gothamites by poisoning beauty products, something the villain and filmmaker could both giggle over. However, unlike Christopher Nolan, social allegories are not very important to Burton and this subtext is window-dressing. What drives the film is the relationship between two damaged, co-dependent personalities: Batman and Joker.

The casting of Keaton is still, 20 years later, a tremendous choice. While a great actor, Keaton does not have the general appearance of a superhero. This was even stranger during a time when big screen heroes looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone. Yet, the decision was a brilliant one. Keaton’s Bruce Wayne looks like everyone else, but he is psychologically screwed up enough to wear an ominous mask to elicit fear.

Why is he that unhinged? We know his parents died in front of him but beyond that, Burton doesn’t bother explaining. He saw madness and is a little mad himself. But in a fantastic world where everyone else is corrupt or scared, this is the closest visage of “good” we could ever see. Burton never got this close to pure righteousness again in his career.

By contrast, we know everything about the Joker. He is a mobster of the James Cagney School who still enjoys finer things like art and music. His supervillainy is only made possible by the meddling of a caped crusading do-gooder. After his transformation, he does become a kind of terrorist, but he isn’t trying to espouse a paradoxical anti-ideology ideology. He kills people because he loves killing. And he does it with a smile. To him the whole world is a punch line. In the wake of Heath Ledger’s Oscar winning performance, this may seem quaint to some. Yet, there is something satisfying about a clown called The Joker truly enjoying being a goof, albeit a homicidal one.

The biggest hurdle the movie has faced in recent years is how little regard it shows for the comics. Only in his earliest 1930s comic book incarnation did Batman kill. In fact, for most of the character’s existence, his strict non-killing policy was crucial to his personality. However, in this movie, Batman kills without hesitation countless times. Alfred, the superhero’s trusted confidant for decades in the comics, openly betrays Bruce’s trust in the film by letting Vicki into the Batcave. Probably the most problematic change for fans is the twist that it was the Joker, as a young Jack Napier, who killed Bruce’s parents and thereby inadvertently created Batman.

Hence, another reason why this is more Burton’s fairy tale than a comic book adaptation. While the duality of Batman and Joker’s relationship is brilliantly explored in Nolan’s The Dark Knight, it has never been more symbiotic than in this film. In the comics and more recent movies, Batman’s order needs Joker’s chaos. But for Burton, it is good and evil co-existing because they literally make and remake each other out of necessity.

Napier created the only singular force that would one day stop him like a bratty child wanting to be punished. Batman created an adversary to justify his extreme existence. It is a causality dilemma, like the chicken and the egg, wrapped up in comic book drag. It’s so elegantly realized, this writer still wishes the filmmakers knew better than to kill the Joker at the end. Even so, the Batman mythology of the comics allowed Burton to explore what interested him about the character in a broader sense. If Batman was originally created to be a symbol for good, the director created a world where such an unsubtle figure could not only exist, but also seem commonplace.

Batman still works today because it is not an action flick of its time. Instead, it soars as a timeless tale of the age-old battle redecorated with pop culture icons. Characters in the film dress not only as people from the 1980s, but also from the ‘30s, ‘40s, and ‘50s. Almost all the cars are at least ten years old in the movie. It exists in a murky Never Never Land where Batman and Joker can do battle for eternity in our imaginations. Even now, they battle there and it’s still bloody entertaining.


http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/batman/31169/tim-burtons-batman-1989-25-years-later
 
I posted this in the Danny Elfman thread, but figured it was worth mentioning here too- last week I was saw live Danny Elfman performance at Lincoln Center in NYC, the Music of the Tim Burton films. It was an awesome experience. There was a obviously a nice long suite of cues from Batman/Batman Returns, which was the highlight of the night for me, but the whole concert was spectacular.

Hearing the music in person with a live orchestra, couldn't help but appreciate it even more. Given that it was an Elfman show, there was naturally a live choir too so all the Returns stuff sounded totally authentic to the recordings. But man, I was flooded with goosebumps by the time they sent us off with "Finale".

After getting a taste of that, I really think they should do screenings of Batman 89 with a live orchestra the way they've done for LotR and more recently Interstellar. That would be absolutely unreal. Plus, I'm still dying to see Batman 89 on the big screen in any capacity.
 
What a fantastic idea. I would love to see (hear) that. I wonder if anything of the like will be put on in 2019.
 
That sounds amazing. I was supposed to go to that but couldn't make it and had to relinquish my ticket :(
 
Does anyone notice that Batman kills no one at the beginning of the film? Around when he discovers who Joker is, that’s when he suddenly starts killing people like when he blows up Ace Chemicals. I’m not sure whether this was intentional or I missed it.
 
Yeah I and many others have talked about that for years on here. How it pretty much leads into what he became in Batman Returns and then his redemption through wanting to save Robin from the same fate in Batman Forever.

Bruce Wayne/Batman has a pretty good dramatic arc in those 3 movies from 1989 - 1995.

Even Batman & Robin picks up those threads with a Batman that has finally reconciled with his darkness and put it behind him and is more focused on keeping his new surrogate family stable.
 
Ok when I was at my friends house and he was playing it that game looked kinda boring but now? well now they gave me a reason to buy it. Bastards!
 
That's the best looking skin they've done for AK. Why couldn't they have done the same for the 1966 mobile instead of it just being the regular AK mobile with a paint job.
 
I posted this in the Danny Elfman thread, but figured it was worth mentioning here too- last week I was saw live Danny Elfman performance at Lincoln Center in NYC, the Music of the Tim Burton films. It was an awesome experience. There was a obviously a nice long suite of cues from Batman/Batman Returns, which was the highlight of the night for me, but the whole concert was spectacular.

Hearing the music in person with a live orchestra, couldn't help but appreciate it even more. Given that it was an Elfman show, there was naturally a live choir too so all the Returns stuff sounded totally authentic to the recordings. But man, I was flooded with goosebumps by the time they sent us off with "Finale".

After getting a taste of that, I really think they should do screenings of Batman 89 with a live orchestra the way they've done for LotR and more recently Interstellar. That would be absolutely unreal. Plus, I'm still dying to see Batman 89 on the big screen in any capacity.

That's a cool idea. Back To The Future and Burton's Alice In Wonderland did something like that as well. In fact Elfman stated in a recent interview (with WQXR radio) that next month (aside from his Burton/Elfman concert touring) that he'll be doing two nights of live to screen of AIW again. And for the first time he and the singers/cast of TNBC will perform all TNBC songs live with an orchestra and choir as well as the entire score.

If only Shirley Walker was still alive I would have love to have seen her produce a B:TAS concert showcasing her themes for Batman and his various rogues gallery from the show compiled into suites. Now that would've been something.
 
Dude, that skin is amazing. Too bad I probably wont play AK again, but that looks great.
 
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