Batman '89 The Official Batman (1989) Thread - Part 6

That .pdf was interesting. As a fan of 80's Batman this film has been and will always be one of my faves. I don't actually find it that violent. But by 80's standards? Who knows?
 
That .pdf was interesting. As a fan of 80's Batman this film has been and will always be one of my faves. I don't actually find it that violent. But by 80's standards? Who knows?

Nobody would bat an eye today, but I think the concern back in '89, was the general perception of comic book characters being for a strictly child/family audience.

Batman was Adam West/Super Friends
Superman was the family friendly Reeve's series
Spider-Man was saturday morning cartoons and bland heroics.

BATMAN 1989 offered something very different. A bleak tone, a flawed hero... certain characters primarily motivated by sex, greed and power. A villian gets a bullet through the face, literally burns someone alive and falls to his death at the end. The violence was definitely more pronounced than anything seen (with these characters) before.

Comic book fans weren't shocked, but ''Joe Public'' was most certainly taken aback.
 
I've always wanted to ask opinions on this... what era (if any) does this movie represent best in Batman's publishing history?
 
mostly the early 1939 batman, but with a little of the 1970s-80s batman sprinkled in.

Yup. With its murderous Batman who's still early in his career, the lack of a Robin, the pulp noirish characters spliced in with all that fantastical and gothic imagery, etc., etc.

Burton's Batman is totally taken from those early years.
 
it's the live action batman that feels the closest to it's pulp noir roots.

i always thought 1994's the shadow with alec baldwin made a nice companion piece to it too.

in fact, the 90s had some good pulp hero movies including the rocketeer.
i have not seen the phantom yet, but lot of people seem to like that as well.
 
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I remember that painting as being the inspiration for Django's blue suit in Django Unchained.
 
He could totally do a Batman Beyond movie.

there was a rumor a few months ago they were looking to do a batman beyond movie and interested to get keaton back for it.

could be just fans speculating tho and it ended up being "rumor"

but if it ever happens (it probably won't), it would be cool to see.
return to that burton world...but with a batman beyond story. it would be interesting.
 
Nobody would bat an eye today, but I think the concern back in '89, was the general perception of comic book characters being for a strictly child/family audience.

Batman was Adam West/Super Friends
Superman was the family friendly Reeve's series
Spider-Man was saturday morning cartoons and bland heroics.

BATMAN 1989 offered something very different. A bleak tone, a flawed hero... certain characters primarily motivated by sex, greed and power. A villian gets a bullet through the face, literally burns someone alive and falls to his death at the end. The violence was definitely more pronounced than anything seen (with these characters) before.

Comic book fans weren't shocked, but ''Joe Public'' was most certainly taken aback.
I’m actually going to do you one better.

89 wasn’t an out and out attempt at heighten realism to the point of Christopher Nolan. Where everything takes place in a plausible believable city and reality that we see every day.

It was an otherworldly Gotham, but everything within the movie and the city plays out arguably more realistically than anything we’ve seen since.

Like you said, Batman bleeds, Jack Napier gets a bullet through the face wound and it actually shows the gore. I would argue B89 has the most grotesque and realistic visuals of violence. The violence in TDK trilogy is brutal and was played out realistically, but we never saw its aftermath, we never saw broken bones or blood. The closest we came I think was when Batman drops Marone off a small ledge to the ground, and it’s implied he breaks his leg or fractures his knee.

I loved B89 for making Keaton an 80s action hero who wasn’t built like a musclebound freak like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone. He was the size and build like an ordinary man, just with extraordinary resources, motivations, psychology, and a costume that he literally has do you use for an intimidation factor for plausible and believable and functional effect.

Hell, through visuals alone we get an implication that while traveling the world Bruce Wayne was looking for vigilante suits of armor that would help his crusade not only to protect him but to intimidate criminals. King of the Whicker People, Because I bought it in Japan etc.

Until he settled or came up with the idea of the Batman.

It also gives a hint at his worldly training without directly needing to show it, or speak on it through dialogue.

He’s bleeding, at times due to fatigue or situationally gets his ass kicked, but he pushes through, survives, and lays the smack down. It almost shows him go through more adversity than any other Batman on screen we’ve seen since.

89’s Batman / Bruce Wayne is an absolutely huge bad ass.
 
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Ah yes I'll always love these movies. They're really artful for super hero movies and such a good take on a gritty type of crime noir beat 'em up type of flick and depiction of a story and character. It really fits and goes along with Batman well, but I wonder if they can really attempt or create other similar stories and styles with the character like this without being so over the top or grounded and with diverging sensibilities at all. Like could you mix Neal Adam's with Chris Nolan's and Burton's interpretation or would it all clash? I know there's usually some Burton in there now but I get a sense a lot of people don't really get his take on the character these days as much. I just loved more then anything, he's this dark and gritty guy who just puts on a relatively simple suit and goes and gets into brawls, street fights with people. That's what's different now, they're scared to show batman fighting at all I guess almost. They have to avoid it or show a shaky camera since people are so impressionable but then yet, it's not Wolverine or something or a gun. Guns are fine, Aquaman was fine, lol.

I know Snyder was quite inspired by Burton, and while it was okay it wasn't quite the same. I think as a director filmmaker and purely from a filmography standpoint it's one of Burton's best films he's ever made. They both are I guess.
 
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I’m actually going to do you one better.

89 wasn’t an out and out attempt at heighten realism to the point of Christopher Nolan. Where everything takes place in a plausible believable city and reality that we see every day.

It was an otherworldly Gotham, but everything within the movie and the city plays out arguably more realistically than anything we’ve seen since.

Like you said, Batman bleeds, Jack Napier gets a bullet through the face wound and it actually shows the gore. I would argue B89 has the most grotesque and realistic visuals of violence. The violence in TDK trilogy is brutal and was played out realistically, but we never saw its aftermath, we never saw broken bones or blood. The closest we came I think was when Batman drops Marone off a small ledge to the ground, and it’s implied he breaks his leg or fractures his knee.

I loved B89 for making Keaton an 80s action hero who wasn’t built like a musclebound freak like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone. He was the size and build like an ordinary man, just with extraordinary resources, motivations, psychology, and a costume that he literally has do you use for an intimidation factor for plausible and believable and functional effect.

Hell, through visuals alone we get an implication that while traveling the world Bruce Wayne was looking for vigilante suits of armor that would help his crusade not only to protect him but to intimidate criminals. King of the Whicker People, Because I bought it in Japan etc.

Until he settled or came up with the idea of the Batman.

It also gives a hint at his worldly training without directly needing to show it, or speak on it through dialogue.

He’s bleeding, at times due to fatigue or situationally gets his ass kicked, but he pushes through, survives, and lays the smack down. It almost shows him go through more adversity than any other Batman on screen we’ve seen since.

89’s Batman / Bruce Wayne is an absolutely huge bad ass.
They never say it but Michael Keaton did fill out the suit he wore quite well.
 
I find the lack of great Keaton Batman shirts disturbing. There are so many great production photos of Keaton in the suit that would make great shirts. It'd be nice to see Mondo making a shirt for this film.
I used to have a lot of Michael Keaton shirts when I was a small child, but maybe that's a little weird for a small child, they were used and I just loved the Batman movies so much. I think that's when I gave off the impression to some that perhaps I was in fact defective somehow for liking Tim Burton's Batman as much as I did, and have so many Michael Keaton t-shirts. I don't know if I wore them all, I just loved the artwork on them, all he colors and everything, I particularly liked that shade of navy blue and the small amount of black used sporadically all over the color and highlight everything and thought it was quite fascinating how artists did this. Shortly after this everything I owned was Michael Keaton but after a while my mother tried throwing away and changing my focus to things other then Tim Burton and Michael Keaton and art; but it did not really work all that well, and still do this day I love Michael Keaton.

I guess there was just something weird about his foam all leather batsuit and the way he'd sensuously part his lips and shine lights into his soulful eyes.
 
Pre ordered the Mezco. Can’t wait for this ... the Bale DK one is amazing

Mezco was too expensive. Bandai's should be a lot cheaper, and hopefully not using a rubber body suit. Just give me traditional joints and a great sculpt. I hope this leads to a Joker and Batmobile.

Bandai can ****ing afford Jack Nicholson.
 
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