The Official Batman Returns Thread

[Nightwing 52]

Batman Returns is going to be on tonight at 8 for those of you who want to watch it for the 11th time like me lol!

Its one of the best Batman films.

 

[Palpadious]

A&E raped this movie if you watched it last night. I caught it in the middle and they edited out the scene where he spies on the Penguin from the Batmobile. They also edited most of the fight scenes in the town square.
I was disgusted so I turned it off.

 

[Redskulled]

they also edited out the part where penquin gets up from the water after falling, so in that case its assumed he just died from the fall...

 

[Nightwing 52]

I noticed that.Those were some of my favorite scenes from the film.I watched it twice last night on A&E.

 

[union_jak]

That's quite odd really, yesterday I watched batman Returns (again, for like the 1000th time!), but it was on DVD. I live in the UK, so I haven't got A & E, and didn't know it was going to be shown. But what with Christmas, I felt like it was a good film to watch!

 

[TheGrayGhost]

He may be at times, but that post wasn't. If you don't have anything nice to say about BR, I suggest you fornicate yourself with a steel pipe to save us the trouble.

Back to Batman Returns.

It's called "The Official Batman Returns Thread." ANYTHING about Batman Returns can be discussed.

I personally think that everyone involved in the production of Batman Returns needs to stay several oceans and countries away from another Batman movie.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Batman Returns is not only a great Batman film, but a great film in general (like Begins). all the actors really put there all into it, and alot of ppl and critics still feel michelle pfeiffer should have gotten nomintated for an oscar for BR rather then her other film that year, "love field", which she was. and danny devitos penguin was genius, IMO there WAS nothing to ruin as the penguin character was boring and useless as hell till burton came along.

also, the fact that it takes place around christmas gives it a very emotional feel, as that is a time of careing and giveing and love, yet all this mischief and mayhem is happening between all these characters. veeery interesting take on burtons part, the only Batman film to take place dueing Christmas and have snow, just like BB was the only Batman film to have Batman in rain (and i guess B89 takes place in summer, lol).

also, for anyone who wants to say that BB is darker then BR, IT AINT.

Why not? I'll maybe agree that BR is visually darker than BB, but as far as actual substance, BB reigns.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

good for you, now if your not gonna praise BR, then dont spam here it gets annoying and from all your previous posts i think we ALL know your opinion on things.

Dude... come on.

EDIT: Triple post. Man this thread is slow.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

My main problems with BR were a total lack of focus and story. Was it about Batman? No. Was it about Penguin, Catwoman, Christopher Walken?

Not really, it focuses on them at different points and switches between plot points eratically. None of the characters are given full development. MAYBE Penguin. At least he had a (slight) reason for what he was doing. But even then... where did that whole Penguin character come from?! He seemed almost more like Killer Croc then Penguin. And then there's Catwoman, who falls, wakes up and is psychotic. Then at the end... what the hell was up with the army of Penguins? That is not any part of a serious movie, nor does it belong in a Batman film. Maybe the 60s series, but these supposedly serious movies. And again, what the hell did this film have to do with the source material?

Ultimately I find it truely odd that some fans are so reverent of these movies when the Spider-Man movies are still getting bashed for ORGANIC WEBSHOOTERS. At least those films focused on the actual titular character. And ultimately, these films miss the tone of Batman COMPLETELY. In my opinion, this is a bad film that doesn't take it's characters seriously, doesn't take it's plot seriously, and at some points disrespects the audience's intelligence.

I second that. Very well said...

On a different subject, have you heard anything recently about a new episode of JLU airing? I'm assuming you watch the show because of your SN.

 

[Batman911]

Batman returns... dont flame me or anything but for some reason I dont like it as much. The big ending with catwoman looking up at the bat signal just never really did it for me. It does seem alittle too dark at times. Actually, I prefer Forever more than this. Anyone else feel that way about returns?

 

[Nightwing 52]

Batman Returns will always be one of the best Batman movies,I loved Penguin and Catwoman in it.The whole theme of Batman is dark,in fact it could have been darker.And I enjoyed the ending of BR only cause when she looked up at it you thought to yourslef that she might return and that she was alive.

Sorry but I disagree with you.

 

[Supermaniac]

Batman Returns is a great film. I think that it even surpasses the original Batman89 which is suprising since most sequels tend to not be as good as the first movie. It was a dark film too which made it even more enjoyable as Batman IS a dark character. The differences between the Penguin from the comics and the Penguin from Batman Returns were suprising and drastically different but Burton managed to make it work. People complain too much about Batman Returns and say how its not as good as its hyped up to be but I highly disagree. I don't care if this isn't the definitive Batman movie for you or not. It was a great film directed by a great director. And anyone who doesn't like it should simply direct their attention towards Batman & Robin and then tell me what a bad Batman film looks like.
Aside from Batman Begins, Batman Returns is my favorite Batman film. It was on A&E last night although since I have seen it about 5000000000 times I decided to watch Home Alone Lost In New York instead, only tuning into BR when it was a commerical.
But yes Batman Returns rocks!!!!!!!

 

[Nightwing 52]

Batman Returns is a great film. I think that it even surpasses the original Batman89 which is suprising since most sequels tend to not be as good as the first movie. It was a dark film too which made it even more enjoyable as Batman IS a dark character. The differences between the Penguin from the comics and the Penguin from Batman Returns were suprising and drastically different but Burton managed to make it work. People complain too much about Batman Returns and say how its not as good as its hyped up to be but I highly disagree. I don't care if this isn't the definitive Batman movie for you or not. It was a great film directed by a great director. And anyone who doesn't like it should simply direct their attention towards Batman & Robin and then tell me what a bad Batman film looks like.
Aside from Batman Begins, Batman Returns is my favorite Batman film. It was on A&E last night although since I have seen it about 5000000000 times I decided to watch Home Alone Lost In New York instead, only tuning into BR when it was a commerical.
But yes Batman Returns rocks!!!!!!!

Well said.

 

[Anita18]

Just saw this last night on A&E. I saw parts of it when I was really young (7?) and I recall that the dead face of Max Shreck gave me nightmares for years. Damn you Tim Burton for scarring my childhood!

Anyhow, since I'm much older now (almost 22, haha) I figured I could take it, just as recently seeing B89 convinced me that I was a serious scaredy-kid way back when. Not as frightening as I remember...

I actually spent more time chuckling while watching this movie than doing anything else. I think penguins are adorable and watching little Adelies waddle around with bombs, being a threat to Gotham was too much. And the rubber ducky Penguinmobile? And posing done by...everyone? Right.

I'm a huge BB fan so I'm probably very very biased, but I could tell that this was a Burton film, even if I hadn't known beforehand. It has his fingerprints all over it. There were craning shots and set pieces that seemed to be taken directly from Nightmare Before Christmas and Edward Scissorhands. I read someplace that described B89 and BR as Burton movies that happen to involve Batman rather than Batman movies made by Burton, and I really have to agree. I didn't feel anything for any of the characters, except for Catwoman, since I feel I'm similar sometimes LOL.

Anyhow, it is very very dark, but it was also campy while being dark. Dark enough to scare my 7-or-so-year-old self, but campy enough to make it a fun (and even funny) movie to watch in my 20's. However, I'm still firmly in the BB camp and now I really truly appreciate Nolan's drive to make his Batman more realistic. I've always related more to movies (or books or music or whatever) that could happen in real life, but that's just the way I am. Plus I'm sort of blase how Burton decided to push the Bruce Wayne/Batman duality, that Bruce has to be Batman because he's inherently odd. I found it much more tragic in BB when Bruce uses Batman as a tool. He just seems more determined about it.

 

[Redskulled]

Anyone who says the schumacer films were better then the burton ones needs to have a lobatomy prontoe!

BR rules, B89 is second, and BB is third only because the Schumacher filmes are so terrible!

 

[Two-Face]

Batman (1989) is best out of four movies Jack Nicholson was the Joker "you wouldn't hit a man with glasses huh huh??" Batman Returns is my second favourite movie.

1.Batman (1989) (if you don't count BB)
2.Batman Returns
3.Batman Forever (it's better then you know what I enjoyed Kidman & Kilmer chemistry)

I'm not even putting that **** here.

 

[Batwing6655]

Batman Returns is a great film. I think that it even surpasses the original Batman89 which is suprising since most sequels tend to not be as good as the first movie. It was a dark film too which made it even more enjoyable as Batman IS a dark character. The differences between the Penguin from the comics and the Penguin from Batman Returns were suprising and drastically different but Burton managed to make it work. People complain too much about Batman Returns and say how its not as good as its hyped up to be but I highly disagree. I don't care if this isn't the definitive Batman movie for you or not. It was a great film directed by a great director. And anyone who doesn't like it should simply direct their attention towards Batman & Robin and then tell me what a bad Batman film looks like.
Aside from Batman Begins, Batman Returns is my favorite Batman film. It was on A&E last night although since I have seen it about 5000000000 times I decided to watch Home Alone Lost In New York instead, only tuning into BR when it was a commerical.
But yes Batman Returns rocks!!!!!!!

totally agree. ppl, please just ignore thegrayghost's comments. obviously just flaming, and since this thread is full of BR fans more then non-fans, i consider this a "BR appreciation" thread. maybe the thread starter should just change the name. as for watching home alone 2, i did the same thing. somehow i have big memories of BR and home alone cuz they came out i think around the same time, and i remember likeing both of them alot when i was smaller. its like somehow, there connected in a weird way, LOL. i have already watched BR a couple of days before, but of course, during commercials i watched. only caught the bit when the batmobile sheds its parts into the batmissle. awsome scene. beats the sh** outta that horrible fake "wall riding" crap in BF, how stupid was THAT. i hate you schuamcher (at least i hate what you did to Batman, how could you!!).

and just so ppl know, i really enjoy and love burtons films more then BB. BB was good, but i wasnt diggin that whole "realistic setting" as thats not how i imagine batman to me. to me, he lives in a kinda surreal gotham city, not a realsistic looking/chicago/new york setting. i always imagined gotham being a unrecognizable city that looks almost like a bad, crowded, nightmarish dream kinda city. in other words, not what nolan created. im not just saying that cuz i LOVE tim burtons gotham, but cuz thats how i always imagined gotham in my own subconcious. but nolans take was aight, just not favorite, or my defienitiove version of batman OR gotham. burtons takes the cake with that. not only is he a visually awsome director with very iconic scenes and characters, but he also adds alot of depth, darkness, sadness, operatic-ness to the characters and enviroments that i think i hadnt seen until LOTR's. burton is a creative genious, and made, for me at least, the 2 best batman films ever made. when they decided to make a new batman film in 2003, i thought "cool! dark, serious batman with cool action and stuff!", but when i heard that nolan was taking this ultra-realistic appraoch, i got kinda worried. thinking to myself that it was gonna be boring and not much cool action. it turned out to have a great story (even if not entirely faithful), but the action seemed dull. when i watch burtons films, especially BR, i get not only great fun action and almost supernatural, creepy vibe that batman and the villians are supposed to have, but i also get a great emotional story with dark undertones and adult themes and great visuals to top it all off. simply put, batman returns is one of my fav. films not only of batman, but of all time.

 

[snwboarder88]

this threads been lost so im bumping it up...


Batman Rules haha

 

[Bat Attack]

I forgot about this thread, Thanks for bumping it!

 

[snwboarder88]

no prob... long live batman returns! haha

 

[Sandman138]

Why not? I'll maybe agree that BR is visually darker than BB, but as far as actual substance, BB reigns.

Bull****. A man moping around for two hours vs. a man realizing he's hiding behind the face of a monster for security. Returns is definatly darker.

 

[CConn]

A movie with a half human/half Penguin man waddling around trying to murder children is darker than the both of those things.

 

[Sandman138]

A movie with a half human/half Penguin man waddling around trying to murder children is darker than the both of those things.

Also true, I was just noting that I think the themes in Returns were much more sinister than Begins.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Returns is a very dark film, probably the darkest of the bunch. But just because it is extremely dark, does not mean its the best. It is however a very good film.

 

[Sandman138]

Batman Returns is very good movie but Batman wasn't in it that much and Burton focused on the villians more then Batman himself neverless it's not crap like Batman & Robin.

I hate it when people complain that Batman wasn't in Returns enough. His presence permeated every scene in that movie. It's about drawing connections.

The best thing about it is that it represents all the characteristics of Bruce Wayne. Gotham is Bruce Wayne's mind. The Penguin is the outcast orphan. Max Shreck is the powerful business man. And Catwoman is the angry vigilante. They all work with each other at some points, but they never all work together, and eventually they destroy each other. How dark and disturbing is that? Incredible stuff.

The viliians externalized conflicts in Batman. Ecspecially in Returns. Shreck externalized his helplessness as Bruce Wayne, Penguin externalized the monster that Bruce was hiding behind in Batman, and Catwoman externalized his inability to reconcile his humanity with the persona he had created for himself. The story is still about Batman.

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