The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 2

[Docker2.0]

I wonder what made Mayweather change his mind after all this time.

Canelo taking his dates.

 

[Iceman]

They waited too long. It's still easily the biggest superfight possible in the world at this moment but not an event for the ages like it would have been 5 years ago. I'm nowhere near as excited as I should be. Pacquiao's not the boxer he was.

 

[antonydelfini]

They waited too long. It's still easily the biggest superfight possible in the world at this moment but not an event for the ages like it would have been 5 years ago. I'm nowhere near as excited as I should be. Pacquiao's not the boxer he was.

Yeah theyre both past their prime, especially Pac. But Im still excited

 

[Doc Samson]

I'm gonna just say this right now and leave it alone. Once this is over, and if Floyd beats him as easily as I thought he would (for years), I don't want any excuses. It doesn't matter when they fought, Floyd's older than him anyway, it's not his fault Manny's style opens him up for punishment. I actually give Manny a slightly better shot now because he's a bit more cautious, if they fought 4-5 years ago, it would've been uglier. So just give Floyd his respect and leave it at that. This is the boogeyman everyone wanted to see him fight, so it's on now. Enjoy it for what it is...

I wonder what made Mayweather change his mind after all this time.

They were set to fight before, and Manny backed out because of the drug testing. I think a more appropriate question would be why he changed his mind about that after all this time...

 

[Iron_Stark]

It's official! Where's Iron Stark at?

Spoiler

http://fighthype.com/mayweathernews/mayweather-vs-pacquiao-is-on.html

What, you want to act like you're breaking some big news or something?

Give me a break, pretty much everyone knew this, especially with Rafeal's tweets yesterday.

Now go back to ignoring me so I won't have to be clowning your ass like usual.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Spoiler

Official contract and TMT post.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah theyre both past their prime, especially Pac. But Im still excited

Oh I'll still be very excited about it when it comes to it, but the announcement itself would have sent me crazy back then.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Do we know who is calling the fight yet? I much prefer HBO's crew.

 

[BlackFox]

Its actually happening, been a looooong time since Ive been hyped for a fight but this is a biggy. Gonna have to check this one out.

 

[Docker2.0]

I'm gonna just say this right now and leave it alone. Once this is over, and if Floyd beats him as easily as I thought he would (for years), I don't want any excuses. It doesn't matter when they fought, Floyd's older than him anyway, it's not his fault Manny's style opens him up for punishment. I actually give Manny a slightly better shot now because he's a bit more cautious, if they fought 4-5 years ago, it would've been uglier. So just give Floyd his respect and leave it at that. This is the boogeyman everyone wanted to see him fight, so it's on now. Enjoy it for what it is...



They were set to fight before, and Manny backed out because of the drug testing. I think a more appropriate question would be why he changed his mind about that after all this time...

Agree 100%. Manny is really a glorified brawler, all offense. He is open to counters all night. He is taylor made for Floyd! But I think Manny will give him problems the first 4-5 rounds before Floyd starts to counter him all night. I was watching the JMM fight last night and man did Floyd toy with Juan all night. I actually expect this fight to be close due to Manny's style which will give him some points with the judges but wouldn't be surprised if Floyd KO'd him. You don't get up from being BRUTALLY knocked out and come back the same. He really hasn't fought anyone but now he's going up against the best counter puncher in the game and a well placed punch is all it takes.

 

[Iceman]

It totally matters when they fought. Holyfield vs Tyson now wouldn't tell you a whole lot. And losing as an amateur to a more experienced amateur isn't a blot on your record in the same way. When we look back at many of the greats most of their performances after their peak are excused to an extent (and they peak at different ages, also depending on how many rough fights they've been through). The relative difference in age between the 2 will stay the same but a fight before the guys get to a certain level or once they've started their decline doesn't officially tell you who was better at their peak (which is what people are interested in whenever they speculate on a vs match) although this is at least close enough to give some indication.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Floyd is a lot slower then he use to be, and Manny is a lot less juiced. We shall see which matters more.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

I wonder how much this will impact the opening weekend of Age of Ultron.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I wonder how much this will impact the opening weekend of Age of Ultron.

That is actually rather interesting. Is there any person mildly interested in boxing that will miss watching this?

 

[Fallen Angel]

No boxing fan should miss this super fight. I think the last one was Lewis V Tyson.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No boxing fan should miss this super fight. I think the last one was Lewis V Tyson.

It was Floyd/Oscar. I think it might be the highest grossing and it was actually a very good fight.

 

[Fallen Angel]

It was Mayweather/Oscar. I think it might be the highest grossing and it was actually a very good fight.

Nah dude it was the highest grossing but I wouldn't call that a super fight at the time. The buy's were done mostly because of Oscar's popularity.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Nah dude it was the highest grossing but I wouldn't call that a super fight at the time.

What qualifies as a superfight for you? Lewis and Tyson was a horrible fight. Anyone with sense should have known what was going to happen. But people watched it. Floyd and Oscar was actually a competitive fight between the two biggest draws of their generations.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Agree 100%. Manny is really a glorified brawler, all offense. He is open to counters all night. He is taylor made for Floyd! But I think Manny will give him problems the first 4-5 rounds before Floyd starts to counter him all night. I was watching the JMM fight last night and man did Floyd toy with Juan all night. I actually expect this fight to be close due to Manny's style which will give him some points with the judges but wouldn't be surprised if Floyd KO'd him. You don't get up from being BRUTALLY knocked out and come back the same. He really hasn't fought anyone but now he's going up against the best counter puncher in the game and a well placed punch is all it takes.

GTFO with that 'glorified brawler' nonsense. He didn't get to where he is by being a glorified brawler.

So just because JMM ko'd Pac and Mayweather easily beat JMM, that means Mayweather should easily win?

Triangle theories never win.

What you should be looking at is how terrible Mayweather has done with left handed fighters.

 

[Fallen Angel]

What qualifies as a superfight for you? Lewis and Tyson was a horrible fight. Anyone with sense should have known what was going to happen. But people watched it. Floyd and Oscar was actually a competitive fight between the two biggest draws of their generations.

A super fight for me is two fighters who are legit best of their division and of their era in a division. While Tyson/Lewis was huge it could've been even bigger if it happen a few years before it actually did. But Lewis was busy with Holyfield another great of that era trying to unify the heavyweight divsion.

yes i know i've contradicted myself a bit as Tyson wasn't at his best in the 00's but that was a super fight for the 90's.

Was Oscar near his peak in 07? I don't think he was.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

GTFO with that 'glorified brawler' nonsense. He didn't get to where he is by being a glorified brawler.

So just because JMM ko'd Pac and Mayweather easily beat JMM, that means Mayweather should easily win?

Triangle theories never win.

What you should be looking at is how terrible Mayweather has done with left handed fighters.

You mean win every fight? t:

I think what is most interesting is how much pressure can Manny put on Floyd. If Floyd can use his length to negate Manny's hopping in, Manny has no hope.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A super fight for me is two fighters who are legit best of their division and of their era in a division. While Tyson/Lewis was huge it could've been even bigger if it happen a few years before it actually did. But Lewis was busy with Holyfield another great of that era trying to unify the heavyweight divsion.

yes i know i've contradicted myself a bit as Tyson wasn't at his best in the 00's but that was a super fight for the 90's.

Was Oscar near his peak in 07? I don't think he was.

Are you joking? Tyson wasn't worth any after the two Holyfield fights, and fought a guy who was much bigger then him. Oscar was far closer to his best, and actually had the size advantage. What people seem to always forget is that Floyd moved up to 154 to fight Oscar, and that evened things out quite a bit.

Using your own criteria, Floyd/Oscar was much more of a super fight then Lewis/Tyson ever was.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Are you joking? Tyson wasn't worth any after the two Holyfield fights, and fought a guy who was much bigger then him. Oscar was far closer to his best, and actually had the size advantage. What people seem to always forget is that Floyd moved up to 154 to fight Oscar, and that evened things out quite a bit.

Using your own criteria, Floyd/Oscar was much more of a super fight then Lewis/Tyson ever was.

That's what I said Tyson wasn't near his best when he and Lewis fought but that was a super fight for the 90's and it was a heavyweight fight. The blue ribbon division of the sport.

Oscar was a 90's era fighter as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's what I said Tyson wasn't near his best when he and Lewis fought but that was a super fight for the 90's and it was a heavyweight fight. The blue ribbon division of the sport.

Oscar was a 90's era fighter as well.

Tyson was a 80s fighter. That was when he was at his best. You aren't even making sense.

147-160 have been the most relevant weightclasses for almost two decades now. The biggest names, the biggest money makers and the best talent. Hence the importance of Floyd and Oscar, and now Floyd and Manny.

 

[Fallen Angel]

But Tyson made his debut about 5 years before Lewis. So they both couldn't have fought in the late 80's as that's when Lewis was just starting out. They are both of that era. The likes of Tyson, Lewis, Holyifield, Bowe, McCall etc.

And the Heavyweight division is still THE division in terms of the average boxing fan.


I guess I'm not explaining well, what I'm trying to say.