The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 3

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edit: You are right. I can admit my mistakes. But wasn't GGG willing to jump in the SMW fire to fight Froch and JCC Jr?
Because GGG would have kicked the crap out of Froch and JCC Jr. It is no different then Floyd moving up to face certain guys, but avoiding others. You think Floyd just randomly took years to fight Cotto or Manny? Risk, reward. JCC Jr. would have earned him more money then fighting Ward, and it came at less of a risk.
 
That's why I don't get why fans are against this fight happening. Both guys need each other more than they realize. Ward needs it because he wasted his freakin prime in court instead of the ring and GGG's competition will continue to be questioned until he gets a big name in the ring. They both need this fight but I say GGG needs it more because at least Ward can look forward to fighting Kovalev next year where as GGG is not guaranteed a Canelo fight for another 2 years and you never know what may happen.
Why does GGG need it? Ward is literally nothing in terms of a draw. HBO will take care of GGG as long as he continues to be exciting and wins. GGG can fight anyone on HBO and make a million. Ward is having trouble getting people to show his fights.
 
Or maybe I can admit when a guy has flaws. Me saying GGG should fight Lara is not saying Lara beats GGG. Some of you just love to make a mountain out of anthill. GGG is a flawed fighter. He's a KO artist that cuts off the ring great. But he has only been in with a certain type of fighter, the kind that comes forward which is why a lot of people want to see him against a slick fighter like Lara or Ward. I honestly don't know how some of you can even make a debate about this.
All boxers have flaws. You simply pick on the guys you don't like. You are transparent.
 
It definitely helps GGG's legacy if he could beat Ward but in terms of being a draw, I don't think Ward really helps his stardom right now. Hardcores know Ward is an elite fighter, but casuals don't really care. And let's be honest, casuals are the ones that make the difference.
 
All boxers have flaws. You simply pick on the guys you don't like. You are transparent.

Same can be said of you. GGG's competition has been questioned by tons of experts not on superhero boards but yet when someone says it here, they are a fanboy. Same can be said of Manny fighting the same guys over and over again. I say this about either guy and I'm a "Flomo" and now the "coWard", some new term that Manny fans(now GGG fans)have picked up. It's cool bro. Keep up the name calling. :up:
 
Ward has moved up to light Heavyweight now and relinquished his WBA title.
 
It definitely helps GGG's legacy if he could beat Ward but in terms of being a draw, I don't think Ward really helps his stardom right now. Hardcores know Ward is an elite fighter, but casuals don't really care. And let's be honest, casuals are the ones that make the difference.

Ward answers a huge question mark that hovers over GGG. He's GGG's Manny to what Floyd had to go through. There is no other competitive fight that GGG can take any time soon that will have fans buying his fight. No one is going to pay for an Andy Lee fight, nor anyone in the SMW either. There is no other name of value that is PPV worthy that is willing to fight him in the next year or two.
 
Ward has moved up to light Heavyweight now and relinquished his WBA title.

Eh, I still think this is HBO building up this fight. Ever since Floyd has retired and Manny is about to retire, this is the new Manny vs Floyd thing. There are diehards on both sides. There is no way HBO doesn't let this fight happen. They will let this fight build up and they will meet probably 2017 at 168.
 
Same can be said of you. GGG's competition has been questioned by tons of experts not on superhero boards but yet when someone says it here, they are a fanboy. Same can be said of Manny fighting the same guys over and over again. I say this about either guy and I'm a "Flomo" and now the "coWard", some new term that Manny fans(now GGG fans)have picked up. It's cool bro. Keep up the name calling. :up:
No, I am honest about everyone. Even guys I dislike like Broner. You are wrong way too often to make this argument.
 
Ward answers a huge question mark that hovers over GGG. He's GGG's Manny to what Floyd had to go through. There is no other competitive fight that GGG can take any time soon that will have fans buying his fight. No one is going to pay for an Andy Lee fight, nor anyone in the SMW either. There is no other name of value that is PPV worthy that is willing to fight him in the next year or two.

Agreed, but who says people will buy GGG/Ward. Darth is right in saying that Ward is not a big attraction. Are we just assuming that casuals will hear that Ward is good and buy the PPV with GGG?
 
It definitely helps GGG's legacy if he could beat Ward but in terms of being a draw, I don't think Ward really helps his stardom right now. Hardcores know Ward is an elite fighter, but casuals don't really care. And let's be honest, casuals are the ones that make the difference.
I think the real goal is "boxing fans". Those that aren't hardcore, but like seeing guys that they find exciting or simply like. There are far more casuals of course, but those that have HBO or Showtime boxing cards and might even pay for a ticket just because are the ones that can keep a career going, even if you don't breakthrough to the mainstream.
 
Agreed, but who says people will buy GGG/Ward. Darth is right in saying that Ward is not a big attraction. Are we just assuming that casuals will hear that Ward is good and buy the PPV with GGG?

A problem with Ward selling is the fact that dude won't leave California to fight. If he ever grew some balls and started to fight in Vegas more, his name may grow. And trust me, if die hards got it out there that these two were fighting, I honestly believe it would sell. The question with the GGG/Lemieux fight was who was Lemieux. A Ward/GGG fight would be so divisive that the coverage would be huge. Cotto/Canelo is a battle between Mexico and Puerto Rico............GGG/Ward goes a lot deeper than that.
 
Agreed, but who says people will buy GGG/Ward. Darth is right in saying that Ward is not a big attraction. Are we just assuming that casuals will hear that Ward is good and buy the PPV with GGG?
Ward wasted his chance to become a draw after he semi-retired after the Super 6. He was arguably the best fighter on the planet, and wasted it arguing with his promoter. He finally got a chance to get some exposure again, and what happens? He gets hurt and dropped from the card.
 
A problem with Ward selling is the fact that dude won't leave California to fight. If he ever grew some balls and started to fight in Vegas more, his name may grow. And trust me, if die hards got it out there that these two were fighting, I honestly believe it would sell. The question with the GGG/Lemieux fight was who was Lemieux. A Ward/GGG fight would be so divisive that the coverage would be huge. Cotto/Canelo is a battle between Mexico and Puerto Rico............GGG/Ward goes a lot deeper than that.
Cotto and Canelo is a fight between two of the most popular fighters on the planet. It is so much more relevant, it isn't even funny. The winner of that fight taking on GGG would draw far more attention and money then anything Ward could do.
 
A problem with Ward selling is the fact that dude won't leave California to fight. If he ever grew some balls and started to fight in Vegas more, his name may grow. And trust me, if die hards got it out there that these two were fighting, I honestly believe it would sell. The question with the GGG/Lemieux fight was who was Lemieux. A Ward/GGG fight would be so divisive that the coverage would be huge. Cotto/Canelo is a battle between Mexico and Puerto Rico............GGG/Ward goes a lot deeper than that.

The problem is, we're assuming that the fight will draw in a way neither fighter has on their own, just because they're fighting each other. We can't know that for sure.

Cotto and Canelo are the most popular boxers in the world not named Mayweather or Pacquiao. That is the biggest fight in boxing right now, and it goes beyond the Mexico-Puerto Rico rivalry.
 
Ward wasted his chance to become a draw after he semi-retired after the Super 6. He was arguably the best fighter on the planet, and wasted it arguing with his promoter. He finally got a chance to get some exposure again, and what happens? He gets hurt and dropped from the card.

Yeah, Ward has not done himself any favors over these past couple years.

Cotto and Canelo is a fight between two of the most popular fighters on the planet. It is so much more relevant, it isn't even funny. The winner of that fight taking on GGG would draw far more attention and money then anything Ward could do.

I agree. Cotto/Canelo will be to GGG what Duran was to Hagler; a gateway to stardom. As great as Ward is, his name is not on the same level in the mainstream.
 
The problem is, we're assuming that the fight will draw in a way neither fighter has on their own, just because they're fighting each other. We can't know that for sure.

Cotto and Canelo are the most popular boxers in the world not named Mayweather or Pacquiao. That is the biggest fight in boxing right now, and it goes beyond the Mexico-Puerto Rico rivalry.

I know they are the most popular but they are building it up as a PR/Mexico rivalry, especially here in the NYC area. Every PR/Latino I know is excited for the fight, which I will be hosting next weekend. But I also think "big fights" do sell as well. Take the Cotto/Sergio fight for instance. Sergio is huge among boxing fans but not really known among casuals and that fight sold 350k. GGG and Ward individually may not do that well but together, you just never know.
 
Yeah, Ward has not done himself any favors over these past couple years.
Speaking of Ward, I never got his feud with his promoter. They got him into the Super 6, he got Dawson to come down in weight, got a HBO contract.............they seemed to do everything that anyone could have asked but yet he insisted to get out of his contract. I thought for sure he was trying to sign with Al Haymon but he ended up signing with Roc Nation.................then he doesn't fight on the Cotto/Canelo undercard. :huh: I just don't get what dude is doing and the same goes for Rigo. For awhile I thought some of this was Arum and HBO blackballing him for beating Donaire but the more I read about what his management is demanding, I'm starting to see that he is being ran by divas.
 
I know they are the most popular but they are building it up as a PR/Mexico rivalry, especially here in the NYC area. Every PR/Latino I know is excited for the fight, which I will be hosting next weekend. But I also think "big fights" do sell as well. Take the Cotto/Sergio fight for instance. Sergio is huge among boxing fans but not really known among casuals and that fight sold 350k. GGG and Ward individually may not do that well but together, you just never know.
You do realize that is why Cotto and Canelo are so popular right? They are THE PR and Mexican boxers. They carry the flags for their nations and that earns them a lot of automatic fans and viewers.

Cotto has sold well for years now because of it. He is Mr. PR. Canelo has become that for Mexican boxing. For all those that say he is a "fake" Mexican, he still has the vast majority of the crowd and has been winning more and more over with each fight.

You are trying to push a narrative no one without a bias would. No way that GGG doesn't sell a lot more with the winner of the second biggest fight of the year. A fight with a legit chance of clearing a million buys.
 
Yeah, Ward has not done himself any favors over these past couple years.
I still can't believe he got a fight cancelled because his opponent was just too crappy. :funny:

I agree. Cotto/Canelo will be to GGG what Duran was to Hagler; a gateway to stardom. As great as Ward is, his name is not on the same level in the mainstream.
Which is exactly why he wants the fight. He hasn't been chasing both of them and Mayweather for no reason. His crew know what they are doing. The second question that will be asked to the winner of that fight is if they are going to fight GGG.
 
I know they are the most popular but they are building it up as a PR/Mexico rivalry, especially here in the NYC area. Every PR/Latino I know is excited for the fight, which I will be hosting next weekend. But I also think "big fights" do sell as well. Take the Cotto/Sergio fight for instance. Sergio is huge among boxing fans but not really known among casuals and that fight sold 350k. GGG and Ward individually may not do that well but together, you just never know.

Sergio did have the JCC Jr. fight to help increase his popularity beforehand and Cotto was the A-side (He made it very clear in the Face Off :woot:). With GGG/Ward, neither guy is as big of a name as Cotto.

But I hope you're right. GGG/Ward being a success can do nothing but help the sport and that's what we should all want. I'm just skeptical.
 
Speaking of Ward, I never got his feud with his promoter. They got him into the Super 6, he got Dawson to come down in weight, got a HBO contract.............they seemed to do everything that anyone could have asked but yet he insisted to get out of his contract. I thought for sure he was trying to sign with Al Haymon but he ended up signing with Roc Nation.................then he doesn't fight on the Cotto/Canelo undercard. :huh: I just don't get what dude is doing and the same goes for Rigo. For awhile I thought some of this was Arum and HBO blackballing him for beating Donaire but the more I read about what his management is demanding, I'm starting to see that he is being ran by divas.
He probably wanted to sign for Haymon, but the the situation took so long that Roc Nation showed up and offered him stupid money. What he didn't seem to realize was that it would make getting fights even worse.
 
Sergio did have the JCC Jr. fight to help increase his popularity beforehand and Cotto was the A-side (He made it very clear in the Face Off :woot:). With GGG/Ward, neither guy is as big of a name as Cotto.

But I hope you're right. GGG/Ward being a success can do nothing but help the sport and that's what we should all want. I'm just skeptical.
GGG/Ward is not happening anytime soon, which is why Ward had to give in and move up. Also, fighting at 175 changes the chances of 168 ever happening. Ward's body getting use to 175 is going to make the cut all kinds of tough. And chances are, GGG would still want it at 164. He isn't a big middleweight.
 
Speaking of Ward, I never got his feud with his promoter. They got him into the Super 6, he got Dawson to come down in weight, got a HBO contract.............they seemed to do everything that anyone could have asked but yet he insisted to get out of his contract. I thought for sure he was trying to sign with Al Haymon but he ended up signing with Roc Nation.................then he doesn't fight on the Cotto/Canelo undercard. :huh: I just don't get what dude is doing and the same goes for Rigo. For awhile I thought some of this was Arum and HBO blackballing him for beating Donaire but the more I read about what his management is demanding, I'm starting to see that he is being ran by divas.

A lot of people in boxing are divas nowadays, it seems. What was Andrade doing that whole year he didn't fight.

Which is exactly why he wants the fight. He hasn't been chasing both of them and Mayweather for no reason. His crew know what they are doing. The second question that will be asked to the winner of that fight is if they are going to fight GGG.

I kind of want Cotto to win just so we can see him awkwardly try to answer the question again. :hehe:
 
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