The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 3

[DarthSkywalker]

Kovalev is a good boxer which is why I changed my opinion about Ward beating him. GGG, to me, is not a good boxer. He gets hit at will and against the right guy, all it takes is one punch. For all of GGG's power, he has a solid chin and I've seen him walk through Stevenson's(the only real hitter I've seen him face)punches like they were flies. GGG was said to have hurt Kovalev during training(per Sanchez)but Kovalev tends to hold back at times. He could have EASILY got Hopkins out of there earlier but he clearly held back until Hopkins stuck his tongue out, then he went for the kill. I think Kovalev is good, quite possibly #1 p4p at this time(sorry, not sold on Roman Gonzalez either)but not sold on GGG one bit.

You don't seem to realize how much GGG has changed his style to be fan friendly. He has the technique to pitch a shutout, which he did in his last fight, but chooses not to, to be spectacular and get the crowds on his side. It has clearly worked.

 

[Docker2.0]

I hear you but don't really believe that. I think he has a problem with slick fighters which is why they won't fight Lara. I don't think it's GGG, I think it's his camp, especially that loud mouth Sanchez. I'm on record as saying I think GGG would beat Lara but not without being exposed..............scratch that, I think it's a 50/50 fight. GGG wins by KO but if it goes 12 rounds, I see Lara winning unless it's another robbery. As far as I've seen, GGG has only faced one slick fighter and that was Willie.........whatever his last name was but dude could bust a grape in a fruit fight.

I think the big difference between Kovalev and GGG is that if ANYONE calls out Kovalev, you'd have to restrain him from accepting the challenge, whereas with GGG, he thinks he's bigger than what he actually is. Kovalev could have easily fought anyone else but instead chose to whoop Pascal's ass again for talking trash. Instead of GGG shutting Lara, Andrade, Hopkins, Ward, and God knows who else called him out, he starts the A-side excuse. Dude is 33 years old and has fought journeymen. But Darth, I don't think we will ever agree on GGG. Kovalev, we agree is good, possibly the best boxer out right now. Ward, we agree is good but needs to get his ass in the ring and stop getting "hurt" and wasting his prime. But GGG............I just can't get on that hype train for the life of me.

 

[Silver Spider]

Kovalev is a good boxer which is why I changed my opinion about Ward beating him. GGG, to me, is not a good boxer. He gets hit at will and against the right guy, all it takes is one punch. For all of GGG's power, he has a solid chin and I've seen him walk through Stevens'(the only real hitter I've seen him face)punches like they were flies. GGG was said to have hurt Kovalev during training(per Sanchez)but Kovalev tends to hold back at times. He could have EASILY got Hopkins out of there earlier but he clearly held back until Hopkins stuck his tongue out, then he went for the kill. I think Kovalev is good, quite possibly #1 p4p at this time(sorry, not sold on Roman Gonzalez either)but not sold on GGG one bit.

I think B-Hop legitimately made it 12 rounds. Kovalev was being very careful to pace himself throughout that fight and he was very careful to not walk into anything stupid; whether or not that was necessary is beside the point. And before another GGG debate starts, let's just agree to disagree for now. We can get back to that when his next fight comes up.

How are you not sold on Chocolatito yet though? He always looks great and he does it against top competition.

 

[Docker2.0]

Chocaltito..............eh.

Kovalev held back against Hopkins. Plain as day. He could have gotten him out earlier. He didn't even really start to throw until later in the fight. I honestly think it was a respect thing.

 

[Silver Spider]

Hopkins made a career out of making come forward fighters reckless and ineffective. If Kovalev tried to kill Hopkins from the opening bell he gets gassed within 5 rounds. Kovalev's team was well aware of B-hop trying to set traps and consequently Sergey fought a very disciplined fight in which he pressured Hopkins with his footwork and countered the counterpuncher.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Old man Hopkins makes everyone look bad. That's a skill on its' own.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Amir Khan Vs Canelo Alvarez at a catchweight for the Middleweight title. Fair do's to Khan for taking this on.

https://***********/danrafaelespn/with_replies?lang=en

Delighted to announce i will be fighting @Canelo May 7th Cinco De Mayo, Las Vegas for the 155lbs @WBCBoxing title.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He is going to die.

 

[Fallen Angel]

He is going to die.

Hear me out Darth. He somehow wins and then hes' thrown against Golovkin for a unification middleweight fight. First chem in boxing a boxer charged with ABH in the ring.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Hear me out Darth. He somehow wins and then hes' thrown against Golovkin for a unification middleweight fight. First chem in boxing a boxer charged with ABH in the ring.

Canelo is going to do that first. Amir's only saving grace is that Canelo isn't super active.

 

[Silver Spider]

I just saw Oscar announce this fight on Twitter; I thought it was a joke. I'm pretty sure nobody on the planet saw this coming.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I just saw Oscar announce this fight on Twitter; I thought it was a joke. I'm pretty sure nobody on the planet saw this coming.

Who wants to see this? Only now I seriously doubt Canelo fights GGG at the end of the year.

 

[Docker2.0]

Wow! Khan is DOA!! That's crazy! Crazy question though: does this put an end to the cold war? Khan is a Haymon guy.

This makes Canelo looks bad! Wow!

 

[Iron_Stark]

Wow! Khan is DOA!! That's crazy! Crazy question though: does this put an end to the cold war? Khan is a Haymon guy.

This makes Canelo looks bad! Wow!

Nope. Saw on another site that Khan left Haymon for this fight.

Makes sense, while at Golden Boy, Khan was fighting guys like Garcia, went to Haymon, fought bums. Returns to Golden Boy and Oscar feeds him to Canelo. Don't know which is worse. But at least Khan will get paid handsomely.

I thought this was some kind of joke. But I guess it's official.

But there really isn't anyone else out there for Canelo. The GGG fight (if Oscar lets it happen) will be until the fall. The other options out there were guys like Rosario or Clottey. None of them are big enough names to sell a PPV and fill the new Las Vegas arena Canelo and Golden Boy secured.

And Khan wanted the big names, well it's put up or shut up time.

 

[Silver Spider]

Who wants to see this?

Exactly. Nobody wanted this fight; it's just so out of left field.

But there really isn't anyone else out there for Canelo. The GGG fight (if Oscar lets it happen) will be until the fall. The other options out there were guys like Rosario or Clottey. None of them are big enough names to sell a PPV and fill the new Las Vegas arena Canelo and Golden Boy secured.

And Khan wanted the big names, well it's put up or shut up time.

Fighting a fragile welterweight while holding the lineal middleweight title is embarassing. The fact that Khan gets this fight on name alone is bad.

 

[Doc Samson]

Nope. Saw on another site that Khan left Haymon for this fight.

Makes sense, while at Golden Boy, Khan was fighting guys like Garcia, went to Haymon, fought bums. Returns to Golden Boy and Oscar feeds him to Canelo. Don't know which is worse. But at least Khan will get paid handsomely.

I thought this was some kind of joke. But I guess it's official.

But there really isn't anyone else out there for Canelo. The GGG fight (if Oscar lets it happen) will be until the fall. The other options out there were guys like Rosario or Clottey. None of them are big enough names to sell a PPV and fill the new Las Vegas arena Canelo and Golden Boy secured.

And Khan wanted the big names, well it's put up or shut up time.

He wanted big names, not big bodies I would presume. This is obviously well crafted for Canelo, fighting a name while still having a very prominent edge. Sounds like what another fighter used to do in his time, and he got crucified for it.....

But I digress. Khan isn't thinking properly, he'll get his pay day, but he'll also most likely add fuel to the talk of his poor chin. He should've been more patient for a rematch with Garcia, or bit the bullet and fought Kell, both winnable fights IMO. There's really nothing he can do from a power standpoint to hurt Canelo. Potshots and skates should be the order of the night if he wants to go 12 rounds....

 

[Docker2.0]

Yeah I don't know who's bright idea this was but it's going to backfire big time! Canelo is fighting a guy who's barely fighting at 147 and Khan who is killing his career by fighting a guy who may out weight him by up to 40 lbs! There's nothing Khan could do to Canelo. He may get a round here and there but sooner or later he's going to get caught. If I'm HBO and Hayman, I'm trying to end this feud now because it's killing both sides. This is a crazy fight to make and I can't see it doing that well at all. Even the diehard Mexican fans who support Canelo have to be scratching their heads on this one.

 

[Assassin32]

Shocking. But a lot better than watching poor Gabe Rosado get massacred one more time. I'll say this much, the fight is nothing if not interesting. And, of course, it's going make a ton of money. But Canelo needs to accept a fight with GGG immediately after looking spectacular against Khan or else he will be branded a coward (if he hasn't already).

Fighting a fragile welterweight while holding the lineal middleweight title is embarassing. The fact that Khan gets this fight on name alone is bad.

To be fair, this is precisely what everyone said when Hagler took on Leonard. And then again when Hopkins signed to fight De La Hoya. There is a precedent for this type of showdown, and the fights have often been lucrative and memorable.

 

[Docker2.0]

No way would this fight be memorable.............unless the knock out is is everything we think it will be.

On a side note, ESPN's Dan Rafael is supporting this fight. What a shocker! I've always said that dude has been on HBO's payroll and never seem to criticize their fighters. There is absolutely no way this fight can be justified! All the excuses of it's a tune up fight for GGG in the Fall is BS. This just goes to show that he has no plans on fighting GGG any time soon. If he were, he'd be fighting a guy like GGG but instead is fighting someone who fights way different. BS fight.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

To be fair, this is precisely what everyone said when Hagler took on Leonard. And then again when Hopkins signed to fight De La Hoya. There is a precedent for this type of showdown, and the fights have often been lucrative and memorable.

Are you comparing Khan to Leonard and Oscar? Because that is ridiculous. He isn't anywhere near the name or opponent.

 

[Silver Spider]

To be fair, this is precisely what everyone said when Hagler took on Leonard. And then again when Hopkins signed to fight De La Hoya. There is a precedent for this type of showdown, and the fights have often been lucrative and memorable.

SRL is an all time great and was a dominate welterweight in his time. Oscar had experience above welterweight before fighting B-Hop and he ultimately lost anyway.

Khan is a good welterweight whose toughest challenge, at 147, has been Algieri.

Elite welterweight/elite middleweight fights can be great; that's what catchweights are supposed to be for. But Khan is a decently popular welterweight and Canelo won the middleweight championship against a blown-up Miguel Cotto.

 

[Assassin32]

Are you comparing Khan to Leonard and Oscar? Because that is ridiculous. He isn't anywhere near the name or opponent.

As per what I wrote in plain English in the post you quoted, I am comparing today's surprise to the outrage that followed the announcements of other middleweight-welterweight summit meetings. That's why some fans are displeased with this fight, right? Canelo is too big for Khan? I'm noting that it's not an unusual occurrence in the sport, and that some memorable fights have been made from it.

SRL is an all time great and was a dominate welterweight in his time. Oscar had experience above welterweight before fighting B-Hop and he ultimately lost anyway.

Khan is a good welterweight whose toughest challenge, at 147, has been Algieri.

Elite welterweight/elite middleweight fights can be great; that's what catchweights are supposed to be for. But Khan is a decently popular welterweight and Canelo won the middleweight championship against a blown-up Miguel Cotto.

Leonard and De La Hoya were better than Khan, of course. That doesn't change the fact that everyone thought they were going to be destroyed. Exactly like everyone now thinks Khan will be killed live on PPV.

Again, I'm only comparing the things I say I'm comparing. We've seen this happen in this sport before. Leonard won on the cards. De La Hoya got his liver chopped. They fight the fights for a reason. I think this fight will be interesting and exciting, and that's welcome considering Clottey and Rosado were the previous frontrunners to land the Canelo payday.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

As per what I wrote in plain English in the post you quoted, I am comparing today's surprise to the outrage that followed the announcements of other middleweight-welterweight summit meetings. That's why some fans are displeased with this fight, right? Canelo is too big for Khan? I'm noting that it's not an unusual occurrence in the sport, and that some memorable fights have been made from it.



Leonard and De La Hoya were better than Khan, of course. That doesn't change the fact that everyone thought they were going to be destroyed. Exactly like everyone now thinks Khan will be killed live on PPV.

Again, I'm only comparing the things I say I'm comparing. We've seen this happen in this sport before. Leonard won on the cards. De La Hoya got his liver chopped. They fight the fights for a reason. I think this fight will be interesting and exciting, and that's welcome considering Clottey and Rosado were the previous frontrunners to land the Canelo payday.

The fights are clearly different. People aren't just mad about the size difference, the problem is Khan isn't nearly good enough of a fighter to make this interesting. Your comparison is faulty because we are talking about an above average welterweight with a glass chin and a ton of holes in his game moving up to fight a legit badass. Finally, this fight is crap because it isn't relevant. This isn't a PPV money spinner. No one cares outside of the British.

By the way, Oscar fought at 154 and 160 before fighting Hopkins. He won titles at both weight classes. Did you even realize that?

 

[The Game]

Gotta love it, Oscar jumps on his soap box to denounce Floyd and claim his camp would bring back boxing, great start Oscar lol.

 

[Silver Spider]

Leonard and De La Hoya were better than Khan, of course. That doesn't change the fact that everyone thought they were going to be destroyed. Exactly like everyone now thinks Khan will be killed live on PPV.

Again, I'm only comparing the things I say I'm comparing. We've seen this happen in this sport before. Leonard won on the cards. De La Hoya got his liver chopped. They fight the fights for a reason. I think this fight will be interesting and exciting, and that's welcome considering Clottey and Rosado were the previous frontrunners to land the Canelo payday.

I get what you're saying, but the problem is that this is a lite version of situations which were already scrutinized. It's similar outrage, but there's almost no reason for this fight to take place. The past fights you mention were purposeful Super fights that had some criticism over the size discrepancy, whereas this is just a fight between two names people have heard of who are separated by multiple divisions.

The fights are clearly different. People aren't just mad about the size difference, the problem is Khan isn't nearly good enough of a fighter to make this interesting. Your comparison is faulty because we are talking about an above average welterweight with a glass chin and a ton of holes in his game moving up to fight a legit badass. Finally, this fight is crap because it isn't relevant. This isn't a PPV money spinner. No one cares outside of the British.

By the way, Oscar fought at 154 and 160 before fighting Hopkins. He won titles at both weight classes. Did you even realize that?

That's the biggest difference between this and the past fights. Those fights were a big deal and were built up to. Nobody was asking for this fight. It's not that anyone was actively against it; it was just such a strange match-up that no one would have anticipated it being made.

Honestly, I think a lot of British fans don't even care for Khan.