The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 4

[Doc Samson]

I didn't realize that until today! That's all they are talking about in this area. They were saying that they are both basically the same person except Floyd is black and Connor is white and also a foreigner but you have the crowd chanting for Connor when most people would chant USA, especially against a guy like Connor who loves playing the heel. Connor said something about a Rocky commercial where the guy had a monkey on his shoulder and didn't say anything racist at all but people were definitely reaching for it. It's on TMZ right now. It seems like it's getting pushed hard now. But I guess any kind of publicity is good publicity.

Combat sports, Professional Wrestling and Porn are some of the only places left where racism is still readily accepted. Even encouraged.

Boxing is one of the few places I've seen Americans root against other Americans willingly. Outside of Ray Leonard or maybe Roy Jones for a bit, there's hardly ever been black boxers who gained popularity without being the villain. Nobody's made that work for them better than Floyd obviously, when he was "Pretty Boy", he wasn't disrespecting opponents AND he was knocking them out. Nobody cared like they claim to now when they accuse him of not doing those things. Even Lennox Lewis, who's skin color I guess trumped his nationality, certainly wasn't portrayed as a "good" guy.

Every other country supports their fighters, but put any white guy from whatever country up against a black American boxer, and you get this type of stuff. And a lot of these black boxers were Olympians to boot. Conor being white, but more importantly Irish, makes this like the 'Great White Hype' in real life. Had this been Tyron Woodley, nobody in the general public would care. I also think (just my opinion) that the reason they didn't want his mic on during the first event was for fear of him saying something to cross that line. And he almost did...

 

[InCali]

I don't think Connor's racist but here IN THE NYC area on ESPN radio they are all talking about them being on a very thin line of it being about race, even though neither boxer may realize it. With the Irish flags that Connor brought to the press conferences, it was even said that this is the first time in decades that you have the top 2 black and white athletes in any respected sport since Bird and Magic go head to head. With the way this country is now with race relations being so big, I can definitely see it being pushed by the media.

I don't know for sure if he is or not and I get that he's doing everything he can to get people to pay for the fight (including stealing Dude Love's pants), but I tend to look at people based on what they say......and the $#!t he's saying isn't okay.

Agree with Iron (how about that)....this fight is going to be so one sided it's ridiculous. Conor will barely be able to land a glove on him. I think, however, that Mayweather will knock him out unless he hurts a hand. This guy isn't used to defending against a skilled boxer and he is going to get tagged more often than freeway overpass.

If I'm Mayweather, I mix up my targets. Keep him off balance with the jab, but focus more on the body than usual. You're less likely to hurt your hand than you are if you bounce a power shot off his head and it takes it out of the opponent. Conor will most likely try to go for the body, but he's going to find out how Floyd's gloves taste really early.

 

[B]

No, I get that. But this is a question of racism being shown by a fighter. If you don't want to talk about such things, why comment on this then? Its what you said you don't want to talk about.

It wasn't that I didn't want to talk about the matter, what I wanted to comment on & did, were about the initial terms in question that were used that have triggered some of the media stories & debates to begin with which I still think were pathetic.

That being said, I did hear yesterday's press conference in which he 'addressed' the media on stage for saying he'd made some racist comments & in turn made a few comments that were at the very least in bad taste if not arguably racist.

The man has a history of saying racist things, ones that are very much based on the local context of his opponent. Like what he said about Aldo and Diaz. Both different races, from two different countries. So it is hard to say he didn't know what he meant here, when he has done such things in the past, using context not from Ireland, but from where each fighter is from.

I understand, but, in reference to the 'boy' & 'dance for me' comments, keep in mind that those sorts of words & terms aren't as connected to racism in the same way that they are in the US as they are in the UK/Ireland.. at least as far as I'm aware.

 

[the last son]

Unless you have money to burn, I don't see how anyone could pay 100!!! For this fight.

 

[Iceman]

I'd pay it if there was a way of giving McGregor a bit more of a chance.

 

[the last son]

They've turned boxing into wwe

 

[B]

I'd pay it if there was a way of giving McGregor a bit more of a chance.

It's gonna be £19.95 in the UK unless something has changed, I believe on Sky Box Office, which is pretty much the standard price. Joshua vs Klitschko was £19.95, Haye vs Bellew & Frampton vs Quigg though were £16.95 if I recall, those are the last 3 boxing PPV's I can recall actually buying myself.

So thankfully we aren't effected by the greed that's effected the US's prices for the event.

At least not yet anyway...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It wasn't that I didn't want to talk about the matter, what I wanted to comment on & did, were about the initial terms in question that were used that have triggered some of the media stories & debates to begin with which I still think were pathetic.

That being said, I did hear yesterday's press conference in which he 'addressed' the media on stage for saying he'd made some racist comments & in turn made a few comments that were at the very least in bad taste if not arguably racist.



I understand, but, in reference to the 'boy' & 'dance for me' comments, keep in mind that those sorts of words & terms aren't as connected to racism in the same way that they are in the US as they are in the UK/Ireland.. at least as far as I'm aware.

I feel like his comments from the last few days make it rather clear he knows what he is saying. And if he really did call Floyd a monkey (Floyd said he did, but no mic picked it up), well yeah.

All I know now is we have a someone with at least obvious racist tendencies taking on a homophobic misogynist beater of women, who has also shown racist tendencies in the past. So, yeah, lets make these people richer.

On a side note. I really hope Mayweather comes out to "Danny Boy" or "Real American". Either will do.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's gonna be £19.95 in the UK unless something has changed, I believe on Sky Box Office, which is pretty much the standard price. Joshua vs Klitschko was £19.95, Haye vs Bellew & Frampton vs Quigg though were £16.95 if I recall, those are the last 3 boxing PPV's I can recall actually buying myself.

So thankfully we aren't effected by the greed that's effected the US's prices for the event.

At least not yet anyway...

This is a double edge sword. We get destroyed on PPV, but all those fights you mentioned were free over here I believe. I can't remember if Haye/Bellew was.

But your PPVs haven't changed prices, even with the fall of the pound? That is pretty great.

 

[Iceman]

It's gonna be £19.95 in the UK unless something has changed, I believe on Sky Box Office, which is pretty much the standard price. Joshua vs Klitschko was £19.95, Haye vs Bellew & Frampton vs Quigg though were £16.95 if I recall, those are the last 3 boxing PPV's I can recall actually buying myself.

So thankfully we aren't effected by the greed that's effected the US's prices for the event.

At least not yet anyway...

If it ever changes I'll be first out. I've got a pretty low limit on what I'm prepared to pay for PPV matches. This fight is a bit of entertainment but not one I'm desperate to see live.

 

[Iron_Stark]

I'm officially changing my prediction from Floyd 12round domination, to Floyd KTFO in under 2 rounds.

There are rumblings in the boxing community that Brandon Rios KO'd Conor in sparring.

Dude has no shot of winning. Now I don't even know if it'll be worth my time to find a good stream. Lol.

 

[Iceman]

I just don't think Floyd will chase the KO. That's also probably his only chance of losing by getting tagged on the way in during a likely crazy first couple of rounds as Conor goes for it. Floyd will probably play smart and keep his distance and counter punch and jab his way to victory.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I just don't think Floyd will chase the KO. That's also probably his only chance of losing by getting tagged on the way in during a likely crazy first couple of rounds as Conor goes for it. Floyd will probably play smart and keep his distance and counter punch and jab his way to victory.

Here is the thing. He doesn't need to chase the knockout to knockout Conor. Conor's chin is not that good. He is not use to boxing for a great length of time. This is the guy who got tired both times he fought Nate Diaz halfway through the second round, and he hadn't even been in a grappling fight.

What I expect is for Floyd to connect early and often with not only the jab, but his beautiful straight right. And that should be enough for Floyd to get the KO inside 6 rds imo.

Now anything can happen, including a Conor win. But Floyd's chance of a KO is extremely high imo. Like 90%. Because Conor is going to get tired, and Floyd hits in a way Conor has never had to deal with.

 

[Iceman]

Oh I think Floyd has every chance of a KO, I just don't think it will be an early one as he will be cautious early on until he starts connecting and Conor's enthusiasm is drained.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh I think Floyd has every chance of a KO, I just don't think it will be an early one as he will be cautious early on until he starts connecting and Conor's enthusiasm is drained.

Ah, good point. If Floyd was gunning for it, it would probably be inside 4 easily. But how he will approach, 6-8 seems more plausible imo.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I just can't wait for this circus to be over and we can go0 back to legit boxing.

 

[B]

I feel like his comments from the last few days make it rather clear he knows what he is saying. And if he really did call Floyd a monkey (Floyd said he did, but no mic picked it up), well yeah.

All I know now is we have a someone with at least obvious racist tendencies taking on a homophobic misogynist beater of women, who has also shown racist tendencies in the past. So, yeah, lets make these people richer.

On a side note. I really hope Mayweather comes out to "Danny Boy" or "Real American". Either will do.

I've since watched some more of the backstage interviews after one of the press conferences & I think, at least in regards to the 2 comments that sparked the nonsense 'boy' & 'dance for me', I think he's completely ignorant to the American culture around those sorts of words & phrases because they aren't typically considered taboo or racially derogatory sorts of words/phrases in the UK/Ireland.. as far as I'm aware anyway, I've never heard those sorts of terms spark a race row over here, that doesn't mean they haven't, I've just never heard of it if they have.

Now the stuff about being 'half black from the waist down' & thrusting his waist for his 'beautiful black female fans'.. ehh I don't know if I'd say that's racist, but I would say it was in bad taste. I don't think he should have apologised at all for the initial comments, but talk about trying to put a fire out with gasoline.

This is a double edge sword. We get destroyed on PPV, but all those fights you mentioned were free over here I believe. I can't remember if Haye/Bellew was.

As well they should be, at least Frampton/Quigg & Haye/Bellew as I don't imagine there would be an especially big market for PPV in the US to watch what are arguably big British clashes.. little surprised though that Joshua/Klitschko was free though. Are neither Joshua/Klitschko known or cared about in the US?

It's weird the way it works, your TV deals when it comes to Boxing/MMA & PPV's seem to differ significantly from things here in the UK. The prices though that I've read for some of the PPV's in the US are insanely priced.

But your PPVs haven't changed prices, even with the fall of the pound? That is pretty great.

They have went up in the last 10 years but not by much & they do seem to depend on what & who is on show. Mayweather vs Hatton is the furthest back I can recall that I actually paid for & that was £14.95, I can't remember if Mayweather/De La Hoya was a PPV for us or not, I don't think it was but I'm not 100% sure.

If it ever changes I'll be first out. I've got a pretty low limit on what I'm prepared to pay for PPV matches. This fight is a bit of entertainment but not one I'm desperate to see live.

Agree 100%, not in 2017. I mean I enjoy a fight as good as the next person but I wouldn't be paying over the odds to see a fight live when I can more than likely watch it a few hours later on Youtube or watch a stream of it.

If the fight prices for the Mayweather/McGregor reflected the US it would cost us £75. For me to be willing to spend £75 on a PPV, man the whole card would need to be absolutely stacked from top to bottom. I'm talking Tyson vs Ali in their primes, Roy Jones vs Hopkins in their primes, Superman vs The Hulk, Darkseid vs Thanos, Roy Keane vs Patrick Viera, Anderson Silva vs Jon Jones etc etc. Like the card would need to be insane for me to even consider it.

 

[B]

I'm officially changing my prediction from Floyd 12round domination, to Floyd KTFO in under 2 rounds.

There are rumblings in the boxing community that Brandon Rios KO'd Conor in sparring.

Dude has no shot of winning. Now I don't even know if it'll be worth my time to find a good stream. Lol.

Already been confirmed as false by Rios himself, says he's never sparred or even met McGregor.

 

[Iceman]

Agree 100%, not in 2017. I mean I enjoy a fight as good as the next person but I wouldn't be paying over the odds to see a fight live when I can more than likely watch it a few hours later on Youtube or watch a stream of it.

If the fight prices for the Mayweather/McGregor reflected the US it would cost us £75. For me to be willing to spend £75 on a PPV, man the whole card would need to be absolutely stacked from top to bottom. I'm talking Tyson vs Ali in their primes, Roy Jones vs Hopkins in their primes, Superman vs The Hulk, Darkseid vs Thanos, Roy Keane vs Patrick Viera, Anderson Silva vs Jon Jones etc etc. Like the card would need to be insane for me to even consider it.

Haha, I'd pay up for Keane Vs Vieira!

It's just an annoying concept for me as we already need to pay up for both Sky and BT sport just to see a good selection of sport and it's a bit much paying extra for individual sports. Imagine if they all started doing it so you had to pay for F1 races, Wimbledon finals, football finals, The Ashes, international rugby etc. When the amount is low enough I can ignore it but when it gets silly I have to draw the line.

 

[Doc Samson]

I just can't wait for this circus to be over and we can go0 back to legit boxing.

Agree 1000%. Luckily we only have to wait a few weeks afterwards...

 

[Iceman]

Plus I hope if this makes magabucks that it doesn't put more silly ideas into people's heads!

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Plus I hope if this makes magabucks that it doesn't put more silly ideas into people's heads!

Winner fights John Cena!!!!

 

[Iceman]

Winner fights John Cena!!!!

Haha. We need the 3 of them in a Triple Threat, Tables, Ladders & Chairs, Bra & Panties match.

 

[Iron_Stark]

I just can't wait for this circus to be over and we can go0 back to legit boxing.

Well, I'll be watching the Cotto/Kamegai fight. I was going to stream the circus fight or go to a bar, but I've decided I'm not even going to bother with it.

This will be my last post regarding that circus show.

Off the top of my head (I'm sure there's more)
Broner vs. Garcia
Crawford vs. Indongo
Cotto vs. Kamegai
The HBO flyweight card on Sept 9
Golovkin vs. Alvarez

Are the fights only fights that interest me and I'll be talking about.

 

[InCali]

Well, I'll be watching the Cotto/Kamegai fight. I was going to stream the circus fight or go to a bar, but I've decided I'm not even going to bother with it.

This will be my last post regarding that circus show.

Off the top of my head (I'm sure there's more)
Broner vs. Garcia
Crawford vs. Indongo
Cotto vs. Kamegai
The HBO flyweight card on Sept 9
Golovkin vs. Alvarez

Are the fights only fights that interest me and I'll be talking about.

I'll definitely watch the Lomachenko-Marriaga fight on the 5th of August. I'd like to see how Lomachenko does if he gets tagged by a big puncher. Of course it's free on ESPN. t: