The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 4

[Doc Samson]

Lol at Mayweather saying he'd step into the Octagon, or use smaller gloves, lololol. No he wouldn't, expect similar stipulations that he used against Maidana for this fight.

I hope you're not insinuating Floyd "needs" any sort of stipulations for Conor? I also need a refresher on these stipulations that made any kind of difference in either Maidana fight?

Maidana is one of the dirtiest fighters to grace a squared circle, I still don't understand how he managed to land an assortment of rabbit punches, low blows, elbows, a tackle, kidney punches and didn't lose 1 point in that first fight. Garcia's even in the corner encouraging it, It's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen...

 

[Iron_Stark]

I hope you're not insinuating Floyd "needs" any sort of stipulations for Conor? I also need a refresher on these stipulations that made any kind of difference in either Maidana fight?

Maidana is one of the dirtiest fighters to grace a squared circle, I still don't understand how he managed to land an assortment of rabbit punches, low blows, elbows, a tackle, kidney punches and didn't lose 1 point in that first fight. Garcia's even in the corner encouraging it, It's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen...

And Mayweather isn't as dirty with all his elbows? Come on , take off your fanboy goggles for once, you know damn well Mayweather uses elbows and other dirty tactics.

Not letting Maidana use his gloves for one, made him use sparring gloves. Picking the judges and the ref. We don't need to go through this again. Everyone knows Mayweather controlled everything in that fight.

And why Mayweather doesn't need those kinds of stipulations, because it's going to be a one sided affair, Mayweather will dictate everything. Conor already said in the press conference he wasn't going to be allowed to use the Mexican "puncher's gloves".

 

[InCali]

You are overestimating how many punches Conor can take.

Maybe he's talking about how many Conor can land....if the fight goes the distance....

 

[InCali]

Press conference was entertaining as expected. As everyone know they'll be more entertaining than the fight itself.

Lol at Mayweather saying he'd step into the Octagon, or use smaller gloves, lololol. No he wouldn't, expect similar stipulations that he used against Maidana for this fight.

Ring size, canvas, ropes, gloves....these are all things that have been part of what is negotiated prior to fights. There's nothing new here and nothing sinister about it. Professional athletes get every advantage they can. Ali, for example, did it all the time. Nothing here to see folks......

Floyd doesn't need much of anything to make Conor look like a 5th grade amateur unless his skills have eroded drastically. This isn't about glove weight or anything else. Floyd will (and should) cross his Ts and dot his Is. Conor has virtually no chance in this bout and a lot of people who pay almost $100 bucks (or more if you see it live) are going to be HOWLING after the fight. All I have to say is "You should have known better". Go ahead and buy it, but just don't complain about it afterwards.

EDIT: The closest Floyd is ever going to get to an octagon is if someone draws one on a piece of paper. He's not an idiot.

 

[Doc Samson]

And Mayweather isn't as dirty with all his elbows? Come on, take off your fanboy goggles for once, you know damn well Mayweather uses elbows and other dirty tactics.

Correct, he's not, not even close. And to try and act like he is shows the level of hate you have for him. His defense is a variation of the philly shell, you already know that. You could accuse anyone who's ever used that type of defense of the same thing.

But I can't recall Floyd ever having to resort to tackling, rabbit punching, low blowing or kidney punching anybody like Maidana did to him. If Floyd sr. were in the corner instructing him to do those things, you would've had a fit. But it's ok for it to happen to him? You'll sit here and talk about gloves and ring sizes like that's a bigger issue than any of that nonsense?

Not letting Maidana use his gloves for one, made him use sparring gloves. Picking the judges and the ref. We don't need to go through this again. Everyone knows Mayweather controlled everything in that fight.

You also fail to remember that Oscar did all those things to Floyd! That's where he got all that from. That's what you're expected to do when you're the bigger name. If you're the better boxer, none of that is going to stop you from winning.
The only real stipulations for McGregor are the ones that relate to him not kicking or trying any MMA **** while he's getting worked.

 

[B]

Meh, press conference wasn't as entertaining as I thought it was going to be. They both trash talked & had a few verbal digs at each other but they should both be given mics when the other is talking to respond to each others ****e. McGregor had one briefly but after the IRS comment they shut it off.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah if they want to make it more entertaining it would be better if they can respond immediately or interrupt.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Correct, he's not, not even close. And to try and act like he is shows the level of hate you have for him. His defense is a variation of the philly shell, you already know that. You could accuse anyone who's ever used that type of defense of the same thing.

But I can't recall Floyd ever having to resort to tackling, rabbit punching, low blowing or kidney punching anybody like Maidana did to him. If Floyd sr. were in the corner instructing him to do those things, you would've had a fit. But it's ok for it to happen to him? You'll sit here and talk about gloves and ring sizes like that's a bigger issue than any of that nonsense?

No elbows doe.

Not to mention the cheap shot he threw at Ortiz.

You also fail to remember that Oscar did all those things to Floyd! That's where he got all that from. That's what you're expected to do when you're the bigger name. If you're the better boxer, none of that is going to stop you from winning.
The only real stipulations for McGregor are the ones that relate to him not kicking or trying any MMA **** while he's getting worked.

AGAIN, I understand that happens BEFORE the fight, during NEGOTIATIONS, when Mayweather threw his hissy fit, it was the night of the fight, when he made Maidana use the pillow gloves. A total ***** move on his part.

I'm aware Conor can't do anything. He's going to get outboxed for 12 rounds in a glorified sparring session taking home $100 million. Good for him. He'll go into Mayweather's world and leave outboxed and unscratched with the biggest payday in his life.

Mayweather on the other hand, should shut the F- up about fighting in the Octagon, he would NEVER step into Conor's world, he wouldn't leave the octagon unscratched, it wouldn't be like Toney/Couture, in that all that happened to Toney was a quick tapout, Mayweather would get brutalized, bad.

 

[P Supreme]

No elbows doe.

Not to mention the cheap shot he threw at Ortiz.




AGAIN, I understand that happens BEFORE the fight, during NEGOTIATIONS, when Mayweather threw his hissy fit, it was the night of the fight, when he made Maidana use the pillow gloves. A total ***** move on his part.

I'm aware Conor can't do anything. He's going to get outboxed for 12 rounds in a glorified sparring session taking home $100 million. Good for him. He'll go into Mayweather's world and leave outboxed and unscratched with the biggest payday in his life.

Mayweather on the other hand, should shut the F- up about fighting in the Octagon, he would NEVER step into Conor's world, he wouldn't leave the octagon unscratched, it wouldn't be like Toney/Couture, in that all that happened to Toney was a quick tapout, Mayweather would get brutalized, bad.

The elbow thing is good in fighting
and when your 49-0 and the main draw YOU CONCEDE NOTHING not saying some of the moves aint puss but he has earned the right to ask for the puss

 

[InCali]

I've seen Mayweather box more than a couple of times and don't consider him to be a dirty fighter. Has he ever gotten anyone with an elbow? Sure. Anyone who has spent a little time in the ring has. Same with low blows. When you get a still of something going on in the ring, it "can" be very deceptive. I can think of a couple of ways the things in those photos happened and not all of them are intentional. Might what happened in those photos been intentional? Sure, but I GUARANTEE you, you can find pictures of every fighter that look bad. This is what I would call anecdotal evidence.

I know some of you have also boxed and when you are in the ring with someone, your main thing is to get the other guy before he gets you. You are trying to beat him. Period. I've hit people low and just about everywhere else. Sometimes accidentally and sometimes in retaliation. Hey, if you're throwing hundreds of punches, $#!t's gonna happen.

What constitutes a dirty fighter is subjective and it's also colored by your "opinion" of the fighter. What seems dirty for a guy you don't like doesn't seem so dirty when it's your favorite fighter.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Floyd's a "slick" fighter. Good at getting away with those little things. Borderline dirty at times, but I do love when his opponents, who are super dirty, cry about it. It is hilarious.

 

[Doc Samson]

No elbows doe.

Not to mention the cheap shot he threw at Ortiz.

Y'know, I contemplated throwing up pictures of Maidana's foul ways, but there's enough actual fights that anybody can go look at to see him in all his glory.

And you have the audacity to mention Ortiz, who headbutted him in the jaw to cause a stop in the action to begin with?! Wow, you really will suck off anybody Floyd's fighting, and I do mean anybody.

AGAIN, I understand that happens BEFORE the fight, during NEGOTIATIONS, when Mayweather threw his hissy fit, it was the night of the fight, when he made Maidana use the pillow gloves. A total ***** move on his part.

So if Maidana had better gloves, he would've won? Even though 90% of the contact he made was illegal? Got it.

on the other hand, should shut the F- up about fighting in the Octagon, he would NEVER step into Conor's world, he wouldn't leave the octagon unscratched, it wouldn't be like Toney/Couture, in that all that happened to Toney was a quick tapout, Mayweather would get brutalized, bad.

No, McGregor should've shut the **** up about boxing, there's absolutely no reason why this should even be taking place. Floyd has no business "stepping" into his world because he's not an MMA fighter. Likewise, why the hell should Conor be stepping into Floyd's world? Why? For a money grab? Well congratulations, hope he feels every dollar.

 

[B]

Now that press conference was much more like it. It's a complete circus, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't entertained or looking forward to the fight more as a result of watching both of them verbally spar.

They need to keep this format of allowing immediate reactions for whats being said. I don't know who was the bright spark who decided to turn McGregor's mic off at the first one, but honestly if they want to generate more hype not only leave McGregor's mic on, get Floyd to stop being a ***** & take hold of a mic when Conor's talking & do exactly the same.

 

[B]

Yeah. They have made them far less desirable. I only do it because we have multiple people chip in.

Perhaps a daft question, but I presume bars & pubs are allowed to show PPV's in the US legally.. ?

 

[Iron_Stark]

Y'know, I contemplated throwing up pictures of Maidana's foul ways, but there's enough actual fights that anybody can go look at to see him in all his glory.

And you have the audacity to mention Ortiz, who headbutted him in the jaw to cause a stop in the action to begin with?! Wow, you really will suck off anybody Floyd's fighting, and I do mean anybody.

So if Maidana had better gloves, he would've won? Even though 90% of the contact he made was illegal? Got it.

I've never said Maidana would've won, all I said was it was a ***** move by Mayweather for doing what he did in the last minute.

No, McGregor should've shut the **** up about boxing, there's absolutely no reason why this should even be taking place. Floyd has no business "stepping" into his world because he's not an MMA fighter. Likewise, why the hell should Conor be stepping into Floyd's world? Why? For a money grab? Well congratulations, hope he feels every dollar.

Why should he **** about boxing? HE'S BOXING. He's stepping up and going into the ring. Sure it's a glorified sparring session, sure he's going to make a truck load of money and sure he's going to receive less damage in those 12 rounds than the 13 seconds of the Aldo fight, but at least he's going into Mayweather's world.

Mayweather is nothing but talk, "you can use 8 ounce gloves, you can use mma gloves" (his actual quotes in public), BUT behind closed doors though, NO Mexican made "puncher's gloves", no gloves made out of horse hair. Both have been legal in Nevada for decades btw. "we can do this in the Octagon" another quote. He would NEVER step into the Octagon, he'd see an Octagon on tv and change the channel. No way would he ever do that, he'd get beat bad by the lowest ranking guy in the division.

If you really think Mayweather's going to beat him down, you're going to be disappointed. (but then again Mayweather and beat downs only apply to his girlfriends and not his opponents)

Like I predicted in the Pacquiao fight (minus all the hugs), this is going to be a one sided sparring match, Mayweather will cautiously win the fight while McGregor will be swinging at air all night. The press conferences are going to be more entertaining, and people again will leave soured and ripped off for paying that much.

 

[InCali]

Now that press conference was much more like it. It's a complete circus, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't entertained or looking forward to the fight more as a result of watching both of them verbally spar.

They need to keep this format of allowing immediate reactions for whats being said. I don't know who was the bright spark who decided to turn McGregor's mic off at the first one, but honestly if they want to generate more hype not only leave McGregor's mic on, get Floyd to stop being a ***** & take hold of a mic when Conor's talking & do exactly the same.

LOL. You should check out Ali's pre-fight press conferences. That guy was talking more smack than a Turkish poppyfield. Big, ugly gorilla.....I'm sooooo pretty.....I'm so fast I turn off a light switch and am in bed before it's dark.....etc.

It's called promoting a fight and it draws interest....works doesn't it? Ali was the greatest promoter in the history of boxing and was well paid for it.

Perhaps a daft question, but I presume bars & pubs are allowed to show PPV's in the US legally.. ?

They have to pay a very large amount if they want to show it IRC.

 

[InCali]

I've never said Maidana would've won, all I said was it was a ***** move by Mayweather for doing what he did in the last minute.

Why should he **** about boxing? HE'S BOXING. He's stepping up and going into the ring. Sure it's a glorified sparring session, sure he's going to make a truck load of money and sure he's going to receive less damage in those 12 rounds than the 13 seconds of the Aldo fight, but at least he's going into Mayweather's world.

Mayweather is nothing but talk, "you can use 8 ounce gloves, you can use mma gloves" (his actual quotes in public), BUT behind closed doors though, NO Mexican made "puncher's gloves", no gloves made out of horse hair. Both have been legal in Nevada for decades btw. "we can do this in the Octagon" another quote. He would NEVER step into the Octagon, he'd see an Octagon on tv and change the channel. No way would he ever do that, he'd get beat bad by the lowest ranking guy in the division.

If you really think Mayweather's going to beat him down, you're going to be disappointed. (but then again Mayweather and beat downs only apply to his girlfriends and not his opponents)

Like I predicted in the Pacquiao fight (minus all the hugs), this is going to be a one sided sparring match, Mayweather will cautiously win the fight while McGregor will be swinging at air all night. The press conferences are going to be more entertaining, and people again will leave soured and ripped off for paying that much.

Setting the rules is a time honored tradition in boxing and a way that the fighter in a superior position presses his advantage. As I said, Ali did it all the time and it works on both the physical (Ali used to make sure the ring was large for example) and psychological levels. You can call it whatever you want, but it's been done by the best fighters in the business AND it can be an effective weapon.

Like I said....nuthin to see here folks.

This type of hype builds up the box office and many, many times, it's nothing but show. Sometimes, it genuinely pisses off the other fighter, in Ali's case, Joe Frazier, but, most of the time it's all WWE. In Joe's case, he, a sharecropper's son, was called an Uncle Tom by Ali, who grew up during the segregation of this country, but never experienced the difficulties that Joe did and Joe genuinely resented it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Interesting to see that now we are involved with boxing. sp,e people are starting to realized Conor says some really racist ****. As one who lived through the Diaz and Aldo fights, it was rather apparent to me. But now he is calling a black man a boy and telling him to dance for him? Yeah, this is going to go well.

 

[terry78]

WWE has nothing on actual politically incorrect trash talk.

 

[Warhammer]

I would pay to watch a five way trash talking match between Floyd Mayweather, Conor McGregor, Kevin Garnett, Larry Bird, and Ric Flair. They'd cut so deep, it would make me cry.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Setting the rules is a time honored tradition in boxing and a way that the fighter in a superior position presses his advantage. As I said, Ali did it all the time and it works on both the physical (Ali used to make sure the ring was large for example) and psychological levels. You can call it whatever you want, but it's been done by the best fighters in the business AND it can be an effective weapon.

Like I said....nuthin to see here folks.

This type of hype builds up the box office and many, many times, it's nothing but show. Sometimes, it genuinely pisses off the other fighter, in Ali's case, Joe Frazier, but, most of the time it's all WWE. In Joe's case, he, a sharecropper's son, was called an Uncle Tom by Ali, who grew up during the segregation of this country, but never experienced the difficulties that Joe did and Joe genuinely resented it.

Did you not read my post? I understand the whole A-side, B-side when it comes to play at the NEGOTIATION table. Oscar did it to his opponents, Leonard did it, ALL of them did it. My thing is, Mayweather, an hour or so before the first fight, started to complain and whine about the gloves Maidana was going to wear. Gloves that were already approved by the NSAC, the same brand and model gloves that have been used in fights for DECADES. There was NOTHING illegal about those gloves.

So yes, there was sumthin to see folks.

 

[B]

Interesting to see that now we are involved with boxing. sp,e people are starting to realized Conor says some really racist ****. As one who lived through the Diaz and Aldo fights, it was rather apparent to me. But now he is calling a black man a boy and telling him to dance for him? Yeah, this is going to go well.

I see TMZ trying to drive through that angle to see if it will gather some steam.

I think it's kinda dumb to be brutally honest, of all the things McGregor called & said to Floyd on the stage over the last 2 days the calling Floyd a boy & telling him to dance for him should rank near the bottom on an offense-o-meter. The fact that a couple of media outlets are trying to dig into those comments to try & find some hidden malice or racial motivation is ****ing pathetic IMO.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I see TMZ trying to drive through that angle to see if it will gather some steam.

I think it's kinda dumb to be brutally honest, of all the things McGregor called & said to Floyd on the stage over the last 2 days the calling Floyd a boy & telling him to dance for him should rank near the bottom on an offense-o-meter. The fact that a couple of media outlets are trying to dig into those comments to try & find some hidden malice or racial motivation is ****ing pathetic IMO.

Well I don't know what TMZ is doing, but I heard that and then saw an article on The Root.

But I am curious. Considering context, how is it not racist? This isn't "hidden" malice. This is rather straightforward. It is interesting to argue he didn't know what he was saying, because then why would he say it, and then try and change what he was saying once he said?

But hey, history speaks for itself.

Another one about Floyd:

“He's a Malteser with eyeballs.”

Speaking on Aldo:

“I own this town, I own Rio de Janeiro. I would invade his favela on horseback and would kill anyone who wasn’t fit to work, but we’re in a new time, so I’ll whoop his ass instead.”

“What I really want to do is turn his favela into a Reebok sweatshop. They work well over there.”

And of course the racial stereotyping he said to Diaz as well, which I am not sure I can post. So, again, how is this in no way Conor saying racist things?

 

[InCali]

Did you not read my post? I understand the whole A-side, B-side when it comes to play at the NEGOTIATION table. Oscar did it to his opponents, Leonard did it, ALL of them did it. My thing is, Mayweather, an hour or so before the first fight, started to complain and whine about the gloves Maidana was going to wear. Gloves that were already approved by the NSAC, the same brand and model gloves that have been used in fights for DECADES. There was NOTHING illegal about those gloves.

So yes, there was sumthin to see folks.

Note: This was posted on YouTube on May 2nd. The fight took place on May 3rd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI8K829pEaU

You seem to conveniently forget that the controversy erupted not an hour or so before the fight, but, at the latest, the day before the fight and only after Mayweather saw, and tried on the gloves, Maidana was going to use FOR THE FIRST TIME. Maidana wanted to use gloves that gave him the best chance and that meant less padding. I don't blame him for that; nor do I blame Floyd for saying "no".

The allegation (the day BEFORE the fight) was that Maidana wanted to use gloves with less padding than those Floyd was using. That's when the complaint surfaced and repeating the same "hour or so before" BS doesn't change reality. Floyd could have used the gloves with less padding, but with his history of hand problems, that would have been stupid and put him in a potentially dangerous situation.

People are entitled to the biases, but it doesn't change reality.

Nuthin' to see here folks.....move along.....

 

[InCali]

Well I don't know what TMZ is doing, but I heard that and then saw an article on The Root.

But I am curious. Considering context, how is it not racist? This isn't "hidden" malice. This is rather straightforward. It is interesting to argue he didn't know what he was saying, because then why would he say it, and then try and change what he was saying once he said?

But hey, history speaks for itself.

Another one about Floyd:



Speaking on Aldo:





And of course the racial stereotyping he said to Diaz as well, which I am not sure I can post. So, again, how is this in no way Conor saying racist things?

People make all kinds of weird comments to hype their fights. I'm not excusing some of the comments people make, but some of them are way over the top. Remember Tyson's "I'm gonna make you my girlfriend" comment? Ali used to infuriate a huge chunk of white America intentionally. How did they react? By showing up at his fights and padding his wallet. LOL.

I am the king of the world!! I'm so pretty. etc.