The Official Costume Thread - - - - Part 13

[SuperDaniel]

Im not going to bother to comment on this thread so I wont risk getting banned.

All I can say to the suggestion in the previous page is

 

[Kurosawa]

this right here is the prime example with what is wrong with fans these days.

we gotta ditch the trunks because it's unrealistic!
The "S" looks like the English letter S on Earth so ditch it because it's not realistic...so we should just slap the number 8 on his chest because that's so much more realistic...

There is no need WHATSOEVER for realism to be in comic book movies....PERIOD!
It's a mothereffin comic book...it's not real! So what if it looks stupid? Now taking a film serious and being realistic are two completely different things. Do I think Superman needs to be realistic? No. Do I think he needs to be taken serious yet put into a realistic world like he is being done now? Yes. Seeing places in this movie that you would see if you went into a town would be more realistic as opposed to seeing a place called "Gas Station" instead of 7-Eleven or a place called "Hardware Store" as opposed to SEARS. But trying to find a reason for why this character would be in our world is not needed. They just are.

Nolan dropped the ball by putting Batman in a world where he is the only hero. Not a good idea especially if WB is wanting to do a Justice League and World's Finest movie supposedly. Make them serious films but there is no need for realism. I mean nobody dresses up like a bat and fights crime...more so they dress up like a bat and break the law. Men don't fly like birds...so why try and add realism to Superman? To me that whole idea is stupid. Realism is going to ruin comic book movies. Ditch the camp, go with a serious tone if the character calls for it and you'll be successful

Starts with the trunks, then they take the rest of it apart.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Kuro, you must be really happy with the recent news, huh?

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Starts with the trunks, then they take the rest of it apart.

pretty much

 

[Kurosawa]

Kuro, you must be really happy with the recent news, huh?

Spoiler

Not if Zod kills him, plus Ma and Pa both need to pass away or it's the Gospel According to Dick Donner again, and I am against that. I want them to die from natural causes and Superman cannot save them. A possible acceptable substitute would be if he had to choose between saving them and saving many more people-because they would want him to help as many people as he can, and not let people die just to save them. But Superman should never be about avenging the deaths of those he loves-that's why I also don't like Brainiac directly causing Krypton's destruction. I do like the angle that his theft of Kandor, the original Capitol, led to the new Kryptonian Science Council being leary of space exploration due to the loss of the city to an otherwordly force. Plus, the larger prototype Space Ark was being built by Jor-El and another scientist in Kandor, and when it was stolen the larger Ark was lost.

 

[sepharih]

Starts with the trunks, then they take the rest of it apart.

This, right here, is my biggest problem with you Kurosawa. I understand that you're a diehard traditionalist/purist......and I even appreciate that perspective to a degree.....but your view of dissenting opinions really is incredibly silly. Your black and white view of what you will accept as Superman brings you to the fallacious conclusion that unless you accept every single aspect of what you consider to be the "true" superman, you must hate Superman and everything about him. IE, unless everything is sacred to you, then nothing is.
Much in the same way you think that someone who hates Trunks as an aspect of Superhero costume design automatically hates superhero costumes in general.

This is an absurd position and is demonstrably false.

Most times, I would not reach to such an extreem example to make my point, but you require extreems I think:

Liking and preferring one of these two images does not mean that you are ok with the other.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Spoiler

I like Johnathan dieing but I want Martha to survive. One parent living is perfect to me.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I don't think you need to have either of the Kents to pass away to be the catalyst for Clark to become Superman...

 

[Kurosawa]

This, right here, is my biggest problem with you Kurosawa. I understand that you're a diehard traditionalist/purist......and I even appreciate that perspective to a degree.....but your view of dissenting opinions really is incredibly silly. Your black and white view of what you will accept as Superman brings you to the fallacious conclusion that unless you accept every single aspect of what you consider to be the "true" superman, you must hate Superman and everything about him. IE, unless everything is sacred to you, then nothing is.
Much in the same way you think that someone who hates Trunks as an aspect of Superhero costume design automatically hates superhero costumes in general.

This is an absurd position and is demonstrably false.

Most times, I would not reach to such an extreem example to make my point, but you require extreems I think:

Liking and preferring one of these two images does not mean that you are ok with the other.

The second image is the creative descendant of the first. And yes, everything from 38-86 IS sacred with me when it comes to Superman; the rest is simply acrophya.

 

[sepharih]

I actually am kind of torn on whether or not I think the Kent's should be alive.

On the one hand, I do kind of like the idea of having Superman be one of the few Superheroes without a personal tragedy to motivate him to don the cape. He becomes Superman not because he was unable to save his parents....but simply because for him it was the natural thing to do. It's unique.

On the other hand, I also think that the death of his parents provides more emotional weight to his origin and probably makes for a more compelling story overall.

 

[Majik1387]

I'm mad I read that spoiler. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's overly cliche.

 

[sepharih]

The second image is the creative descendant of the first.

More like the great great bastard son twice removed. The image on the left simply does not automatically lead to the image on the right. Liking the image on the left does not in anyway shape or form mean you like the image on the right.

It is intellectually dishonest to make the claim that they are both on equal footing.

And yes, everything from 38-86 IS sacred with me when it comes to Superman; the rest is simply acrophya.

? I do not know this word.

 

[Kurosawa]

It was never that the Kents' deaths are what motivated him to become Superman. He had been preparing to be Superman his entire life, and in the most successful version of the character (the Silver/Bronze Age version), he had been Superboy for years while they were alive.

 

[Binker]

Action Comics #1 Variant by Jim Lee:

 

[camp Blood]

again that looks terrible

no matter how much people shove that down my throat I will hate that costume and why does he look spanish

THANK JEBUS SNYDER DIDN'T GO ARMOR!

 

[Majik1387]

Looks nice, though his face looks a bit young for me.

 

[batman44]

Meh, still not a fan of the belt design, boot tips, or the collar. Not terrible imo, just ehhh.

Q: Why does the way Jim Lee draw the boots look different from everyone else.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Action Comics #1 Variant by Jim Lee:

Nice

 

[camp Blood]

cavill suit so far seems vastly superior than lee's 80 reject superman

and that looks like superBOY

 

[sepharih]

It was never that the Kents' deaths are what motivated him to become Superman. He had been preparing to be Superman his entire life, and in the most successful version of the character (the Silver/Bronze Age version), he had been Superboy for years while they were alive.

Sure, but as I understand it the death of his parents is still effectively the catalyst for why he leaves for Metropolis, thus becoming Superman. Yes? Certainly the Kent's death is one of many factors that would have led to him becoming Superman....but it's still meant to be the emotional turning point for the character I thought.

Also, personally....not a big fan of the concept of Superboy....I understand the appeal.....but I feel like it ultimately detracts from what should be Superman's introduction to the world. I certainly like the idea of Clark going on some adventures as a kid....but I prefer the costume to be saved for his grand introduction to the world as an adult.

Edit:

LOVE the illustration....costume still looks better and better each time, and I'm already more than sold. I do agree about his face in that shot though....kinda kidish.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Although the art is nice, the movie costume is a thousand times better than this Jim Lee travesty.

 

[Kurosawa]

Sure, but as I understand it the death of his parents is still effectively the catalyst for why he leaves for Metropolis, thus becoming Superman. Yes? Certainly the Kent's death is one of many factors that would have led to him becoming Superman....but it's still meant to be the emotional turning point for the character I thought.

Also, personally....not a big fan of the concept of Superboy....I understand the appeal.....but I feel like it ultimately detracts from what should be Superman's introduction to the world. I certainly like the idea of Clark going on some adventures as a kid....but I prefer the costume to be saved for his grand introduction to the world as an adult.

Edit:

LOVE the illustration....costume still looks better and better each time, and I'm already more than sold. I do agree about his face in that shot though....kinda kidish.

He was going to be Superman and was going to Metropolis University regardless, but yes, losing them is where he stopped being a carefree boy and became a man.

Most people who dislike classic Superman dislike Superboy as well. But even Byrne admits that he made a mistake getting rid of the concept. The idea that he would have these powers for years and selfishly do nothing with them is absurd-that's why at least the "Smallville Angel" angle where he helps people in secret, is a good idea. But Siegel wanted to bring in Superboy from almost the beginning-in fact, he first submitted the character to National in November of 1938, so actually Superboy predates Ma and Pa Kent in order of creation (the 1938 texts still credited the "passing motorist" as having found baby Kal-L).

In some ways what Morrison is going to do is realize the original intentions of Jerry Siegel with a more socially aware Superman who also has the Superboy background, but running away from Shusters classic costume is a bad idea, IMO. And that Jim Lee cover is a well-rendered picture of nothing...the new costume is still terrible and even without trunks, the MOS costume destroys it.

 

[SuperDaniel]

In the Byrne era he still helped people in secrecy around the world, even before he was known as Superman. He didnt exactly got rid of it. He got rid of a costumed kid which I also think its ridiculous. BTW, my favorite interpretation of this is the Secret Identity story by Kurt Busiek and Stuart Immonen who is a very underrated artist. Even Smallville got that idea right.

 

[KRIM]

Action Comics #1 Variant by Jim Lee:

That's not entirely Lee's image nor is it the official variant. The original comes from this. It was inked and colored by someone else.

 

[Kurosawa]

In the Byrne era he still helped people in secrecy around the world, even before he was known as Superman. He didnt exactly got rid of it. He got rid of a costumed kid which I also think its ridiculous. BTW, my favorite interpretation of this is the Secret Identity story by Kurt Busiek and Stuart Immonen who is a very underrated artist. Even Smallville got that idea right.

Yet Byrne later admitted that he was wrong. THAT'S how stupid getting rid of Superboy was-even the guy who did it realizes he screwed up by doing it. Instead, his Superman basically WAS SuperBOY-defeated often, unsure of himself, running home to mommy....what a loser. The only difference was the Pre-Crisis Superboy actually was competent most of the time.

Superboy is a little much for a movie, however, unless they planned a Harry Potter type series starting with him as Superboy and growing into Superman-a sort of "Smallville Done Right" series.

That's not entirely Lee's image nor is it the official variant. The original comes from this. It was inked and colored by someone else.

Still a nice drawing and a bad design regardless of who finished it.