The Official Costume Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[KRIM]

The lack of trunks sticks out badly because everyone knows they're SUPPOSED to be there. The costume looks incomplete and therefore distracting. If it was more different overall, then it would be more of a total new costume, but since it's essentially just the old costume without the trunks, it looks off. The electric Superman costume is more respectable to me than the MOS costume as an alternative Superman suit; at least it's a bold change. The MOS suit is cowardice in action. They ditch the trunks because the kewl kidz think then people will quit making fun of Superman for keeping his underwear on the outside (they'll just make fun of something else, like the glasses on Clark Kent), but they keep the rest of the costume hoping the longtime fans will accept 80% of a Superman costume because hey, they've accepted all the other **** they've done and called Superman, right? I mean, Superman fans put up with 10 seasons of Smallville for one shirt rip, they are gonna take anything DC/WB puts out at this stage.

It's a damn shame. Superman deserves better than a sellout costume and a movie made only because of a lawsuit.

So would you have rather had the electric-blue suit for this movie than the one we have now? I somehow find it hard to believe you would have applauded that decision.

I don't think you or others were ever going to give the production a chance on this aspect. Had they gone completely off the wall ala Burton or that electric debacle, I guarantee there would've been a swarm of fanboys after their heads for "daring" to go that radical. Should they opt for a mix of classic and modern (as they've done here), they're persecuted for the small alterations they did make and ignore the large influences from the source.

 

[Kurosawa]

No, I wouldn't have, but what they did was extremely cowardly. Not to mention they took the trunks away and replaced it with arrows pointing at his crotch.

What I wanted, if not the original, was a redesign similar to the Alex Ross Superboy costume from Kingdom Come.

What they did was they tried to have their cake and eat it too. That never works. They got rid of the trunks so as to pacify the kewl kidz and they kept the rest of the costume to appease the old timers. Oh, and they made the blue dark and dingy because primary colors suck almost as much as tradition sucks.

And actually, I'm as open minded about this movie as I ever am. I always want superhero movies to be as faithful as possible. I am consistent. I like the director okay, I like the cast, I'm not throwing a huge fit over Zod again. Being open minded does not equal loving everything they do and questioning nothing.

 

[moviedoors]

So it could be worse. I see that defence cropping up again and again. Is that the best we can expect?

Way to cherry pick people's opinions. I flat out love it. It's not a case of "well, it could be worse, so I'm happy," I love it. So stop reaching.

 

[KRIM]

No, I wouldn't have, but what they did was extremely cowardly. Not to mention they took the trunks away and replaced it with arrows pointing at his crotch.

As I recall, you wanted a substitute for the trunks as opposed to simply taking it away. That's what they did. Personally they added a lot more than I even expected. Also, your perception of arrows are very strange indeed.

What I wanted, if not the original, was a redesign similar to the Alex Ross Superboy costume from Kingdom Come.

Remind me what that looks like.

What they did was they tried to have their cake and eat it too. That never works.

Balancing the appeasement for the core readers and the mainstream is how every adaptation works. There has been no such comic book movie to date that has translated the source material. So clearly there have been instances where the method has its success.

They got rid of the trunks so as to pacify the kewl kidz and they kept the rest of the costume to appease the old timers. Oh, and they made the blue dark and dingy because primary colors suck almost as much as tradition sucks.

This whole thing is conjecture and you know it. It wouldn't matter what the official word came through regarding these alterations, you've already set your mind on what went through their heads as they designed it. Am I wrong?

And actually, I'm as open minded about this movie as I ever am. I always want superhero movies to be as faithful as possible. I am consistent. I like the director okay, I like the cast, I'm not throwing a huge fit over Zod again. Being open minded does not equal loving everything they do and questioning nothing.

That is hardly what I was suggesting. It is simply tiring to constantly read baseless accusations thrown onto the production whenever they deviate from personal expectations and desires. If you agree with their decisions, they're being faithful to the property and are showing their respects. If they stray away in other aspects, they're heathens and are clearly conspiring to destroy the brand as per the conspiracy of the past 20 years. Again -- correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[moviedoors]

Balancing the appeasement for the core readers and the mainstream is how every adaptation works. There has been no such comic book movie to date that has translated the source material. So clearly there have been instances where the method has its success.

Don't forget the balancing act of making material work in a new medium. People that throw that out the window flat out don't understand the nature of adaptation. I'm gonna piss some people off with this, but David Cronenberg once said "sometimes to be true to the material, you have to betray it." If he had done a literal adaptation of Naked Lunch, it would have been a disaster in addition to being completely pointless. He was smart enough to know the essence is what's important in an adaptation. The small details are malleable and they should be altered so that they work in a new format.

And all people are arguing about here is trunks and a shade of blue. Those are such small details and I'm having trouble understanding why so much vehemence is spewing forth over such a tiny aspect of a character. Sure, a look and an "Eh, I'm not hot about that." Whatever. But weeks and weeks on end, driving it into the ground, calling those who disagree liars? That's embarrassing.

That is hardly what I was suggesting. It is simply tiring to constantly read baseless accusations thrown onto the production whenever they deviate from personal expectations and desires. If you agree with their decisions, they're being faithful to the property and are showing their respects. If they stray away in other aspects, they're heathens and are clearly conspiring to destroy the brand as per the conspiracy of the past 20 years. Again -- correct me if I'm wrong.

You're right. Do it how I'd do it, and you're respecting an icon. Change anything, and you're a money grubbing sell out ****e. Like any changes, and you're a liar. It's ridiculous. Does it ever occur to people that maybe they went with this design because they liked it?

 

[SnuffTheRooster]

This movie is teh failures. Errybody knows how much Batman went down hill when they got rid of his famous trunks. Why, the only true Batman is the Adam West one.

 

[spider_rob]

No, I wouldn't have, but what they did was extremely cowardly. Not to mention they took the trunks away and replaced it with arrows pointing at his crotch.

The electric blue one has white arrows pointing at his crotch.

 

[sf2]

i read a saying, and it goes a rose without its thorns is never a rose.

i guess it applies the same to the superman suit.

a superman suit without its trunks is never a superman suit.

 

[Boosted]

i'd say a superman suit without a cape is never a superman suit.
a superman suit without the shield is never a superman suit.
a superman suit without red and blue is never a superman suit.
a superman suit that is more or less the same superman suit sans trunks is still a superman suit.

 

[DorkyFresh]

i'd say a superman suit without a cape is never a superman suit.
a superman suit without the shield is never a superman suit.
a superman suit without red and blue is never a superman suit.
a superman suit that is more or less the same superman suit sans trunks is still a superman suit.

I'd say it's an incomplete Superman suit.

 

[Kurosawa]

The electric blue one has white arrows pointing at his crotch.

No one notices it on that because the whole costume is so radically different. The eye does not look for the trunks because it knows there is no way they would be on that suit. The eye goes straight to the \S/ and then to his face like it's supposed to.

Alex Ross Superboy:

Spoiler

They should have went to Ross for a Superman redesign. He's the artist most capable of doing it correctly.

 

[TerryMcGinnis]

So you find the above pictured Ross Superboy costume design superior to what we have in MOS? Not that it matters, but I completely disagree.

 

[KRIM]

That looks a lot like this:

I would've been perfectly fine with that, though the MOS suit still evokes the classic look more.

 

[Kurosawa]

So you find the above pictured Ross Superboy costume design superior to what we have in MOS? Not that it matters, but I completely disagree.

Vastly superior. Better than the DCnU costume as well.

Alex Ross is the only living artist who understands Superman enough visually and as a character to be allowed to redesign his costume.

 

[Lencho01]

Vastly superior. Better than the DCnU costume as well.

Alex Ross is the only living artist who understands Superman enough visually and as a character to be allowed to redesign his costume.

What do you think of this one?

 

[camp Blood]

I do like Ross' superboy design but I would have used white or a darker blue instead of that red stripe

 

[godisawesome]

What do you think of this one?

I think Superboy! But that's just me.

 

[Kurosawa]

What do you think of this one?

It's okay but it has the same problems as the DCnU costume and the MOS costume.

 

[Lencho01]

It's okay but it has the same problems as the DCnU costume and the MOS costume.

I was thinking if you took away the collar and gave him a cape, it would be similar to Captain Marvel's suit in that there's enough going on to take your attention away from the lack of trunks.

 

[camp Blood]

What would happen if they gave te MoS suit gloves or just red cuffs

 

[Astrodust]

The S on the cape was gone in SR. MoS lost the trunks. I suppose either the cape or the red blue combo might go in further reboots. He might look closer to Neo when all is said and done. It's strange, Spiderman filmmakers have the balls to stick with his costume but the people behind Superman are embarassed or something.

 

[camp Blood]

well they changed his suit for the new spiderman and for the worse IMO

 

[Astrodust]

well they changed his suit for the new spiderman and for the worse IMO

They haven't really. They just updated the materials. They found a way to update it without taking things away.

 

[Kurosawa]

They changed it, but only slightly. But what they already had was perfect.

I'm sure the eventual goal is to make Superman look like Neo. Like I said, it's actually a miracle the MOS costume is as close as it is.

 

[camp Blood]

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