The Official Costume Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[KalMart]

Agree to disagree then. I don't think it's a tough sell at all.

Well, these guys apparently did when it came to the red trunks part of it.

I don't know that it's neccesary to explain to the public within the film why he's wearing the suit...

I'm only suggesting it's neccesary to explain to the audience WATCHING the film.



While I understand what your saying, the importance difference here is that this is Superman's origin story.

I mean, if they do an origin story about Angel Gabrielle or something, maybe they would incorporate a halo that's more grounded in realism, or have a scene about how his wings grew...

I still think there's room for it, though. But yeah, I also always felt it was better suited to starting a film in Metropolis with Supes' first arrival. But I do feel there's a way to still do it in an origin and not feel 'skipped over'. It would take a deft touch...probably not something that's Goyer or Snyder's forte...but still doable, if not for this crew/version.

Overall though, I think Supes needs the otherworldly awe back most of all. I think that's what's been lost most, and why he's seen as the 'has-est' of has-beens, or oldest of old-hat, etc. with audiences.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Well, these guys apparently did when it came to the red trunks part of it.

Yes, the red trunks are a hard sell.

The suit itself is not.

That's why they have Zod, Jor-el and Superman all wearing something similar. It is easy to pull it off as kryptonian wear.

I still think there's room for it, though. But yeah, I also always felt it was better suited to starting a film in Metropolis with Supes' first arrival. But I do feel there's a way to still do it in an origin and not feel 'skipped over'. It would take a deft touch...probably not something that's Goyer or Snyder's forte...but still doable, if not for this crew/version.

I'm so incredibly happy we get an origin and not just starting the film in Metropolis with Superman's arrival.

Because it gives them the chance to spend time on aspects that usually are 'skipped over'.

Overall though, I think Supes needs the otherworldly awe back most of all. I think that's what's been lost most, and why he's seen as the 'has-est' of has-beens, or oldest of old-hat, etc. with audiences.

I have my own personal opinion on why Superman has become unpopular, and I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of awe.

But hey, we all feel differently about that.

All I know is that it very much seems that with MOS there is a good chance I will get what I want - an origin story that actually explores how and why he decides to become Superman.

 

[KalMart]

Yes, the red trunks are a hard sell.

The suit itself is not.

That's why they have Zod, Jor-el and Superman all wearing something similar. It is easy to pull it off as kryptonian wear.

See...again, I think you could keep the red trunks, and 'sell' the suit intact if you...well, y'know by now.

It's kinda' what I mean about taking a different approach....because honestly, when it comes to that it's not just the trunks.

I'm so incredibly happy we get an origin and not just starting the film in Metropolis with Superman's arrival.

Because it gives them the chance to spend time on aspects that usually are 'skipped over'.

Again, there are ways not not make it feel skipped over, and I was hoping for something other than a chronological origin like every other one out there. But...we got one.

It might be asking to much of the most powerful superhero of them all to have a movie that's also cinematically unique. Oh well.

I have my own personal opinion on why Superman has become unpopular, and I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of awe.

But hey, we all feel differently about that.

All I know is that it very much seems that with MOS there is a good chance I will get what I want - an origin story that actually explores how and why he decides to become Superman.

Yep...another superhero origin flick. Good ol' standby.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

See...again, I think you could keep the red trunks, and 'sell' the suit intact if you...well, y'know by now.

It's kinda' what I mean about taking a different approach....because honestly, when it comes to that it's not just the trunks.

Again, there are ways not not make it feel skipped over, and I was hoping for something other than a chronological origin like every other one out there. But...we got one.

It might be asking to much of the most powerful superhero of them all to have a movie that's also cinematically unique. Oh well.



Yep...another superhero origin flick. Good ol' standby.

Wow, that's an assumption.

You think that just because the movie doesn't start in Metropolis with Superman's first save, that means it's going to be another chronological Superman film?

Far from it.

If I had to guess based on BB, on Goyer and Nolan as an ideas team, on that fact that it looks like we will be getting scenes of Clark living in Alaska prior to being Superman and that Lois is apparently there too, on the fact that we know Zod and Jor-el have a fight scene and there is information about a 'battle on krypton' (from Julian Richings), I'd say we are getting an origin that is completely different from anything we've seen on screen - and I doubt that it'll be your run of the mill chronological story.

 

[Herolee10]

I think this sums up on what some people have gone throughout the ordeal of slowly learning the suit's full design.lol

"TRUNKS'S" FIRST IMPRESSION of the Suit

TA DA!!!

"TRUNKS'S" Reaction towards seeing the FULL FRONT of the Costume:

 

[KalMart]

Wow, that's an assumption.

You think that just because the movie doesn't start in Metropolis with Superman's first save, that means it's going to be another chronological Superman film?

Far from it.

Not necessarily. It's not so much the actual order of 'time', but how information and perspective is shared/portrayed. The commonality, in this sense, is whose eyes we're absorbing all the info through....when we see who he is and why, and how, and so on. I think there's a place where a departure from 'origin' movies can be taken...starting in Metropolis is just an example that lends itself to that.

How is really for earlier story-idea threads where some of these ideas were bounced around, but put it this way...it's not necessarily through Clark/Kal's eyes/first-person perspective to start with, or for a while. Not saying what they're doing is doomed or what have you...if not on this one, I'd really like to see a different approach. Maybe Batman will do it in his next reboot.

So it's an assumption that they will take a similar approach to other films in that regard.....because what is there to make us assume otherwise?

If I had to guess based on BB, on Goyer and Nolan as an ideas team, on that fact that it looks like we will be getting scenes of Clark living in Alaska prior to being Superman and that Lois is apparently there too, on the fact that we know Zod and Jor-el have a fight scene and there is information about a 'battle on krypton' (from Julian Richings), I'd say we are getting an origin that is completely different from anything we've seen on screen - and I doubt that it'll be your run of the mill chronological story.

Again, see above. Chronology can be edited however they want....how the story handles and unfolds the character's 'identifiability', if you will, is where I feel the difference lies, and where I think a Supes film in particular can benefit from a change from the rest. But from the looks of it, we're getting an origin story that explores how and why he decides to become Superman....with its own story but much the same perspective and narrative approaches as the current crew....which explore how and why they decide to such and such....even though we're getting a Superman story completely different from anything we've seen on screen. But who knows, it might be pretty different, too.

I mean ...it IS Goyer and Snyder after all.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

You stated you where hoping for a chronological origin and it doesn't look like we've got one. That was what you said.

Now your saying that's not what you meant, and you actually meant to say they are making him too identifiable and it would be fun to see a Superman film from a different characters perspective?

I give up trying to make sense of what it is your saying, because you keep changing your mind.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

You stated you where hoping for a chronological origin and it doesn't look like we've got one. That was what you said.

Now your saying that's not what you meant, and you actually meant to say they are making him too identifiable and it would be fun to see a Superman film from a different characters perspective?

I give up trying to make sense of what it is your saying, because you keep changing your mind, making my counter posts moot.

 

[KalMart]

No I said I'd prefer not to have a chronological origin as 'conventionally' used...whether it's in order on the screen or not. Haven't wavered from that. Guess that's going over your head or I'm not explaining it well enough. No biggie....and no need to get so frustrated. But either way, I'm keeping open about the upcoming Supes movie. I have concerns, but it may surprise.


The approach to the suit's portrayal would go along with that....in that we wouldn't get the kind of 'explanation' that we get for other heros in other films...at least not up front. It would basically be about starting the story by shrouding him more in mystery instead of following Baby Kal-El and then young Clark and getting all that exposure/info early on. Again, probably better to flesh out in a storyline thread unrelated to MOS since this one's already underway....but I still think that they could incorporate some of the more 'unknown' approach to the suit and benefit more from that.

 

[Fudgie]

I don't care what order the origin is done in as long as it's done well.

 

[El Payaso]

This cape looks amazing.

 

[Dr.]

How would the image/style of an otherworld that the public know nothing about symbolize anything...except him being an alien? Did JorEl want him to wear this in public to profess Kryptonian ways and values on the people of earth? Let's say this is the case...how does the audience get to know that? Will we 'hear his thoughts'? Because unless we do, just trying to show it wouldn't really be any different than if it was more the home-made type...he'd stick out just the same with those red boots and cape and...

Better off to just show the style connection with the Kryptonian thing, and from there...he's just wearing it because it's a Superhero movie and he's superman.

Obviously, there are different ways to approach this. The suit could be represented with major Kryptonian significance and symbolism. So when Supes puts it on, it’s an explicit gesture of honoring home and/or family. On the other hand, it could just be an obvious item that would have been included in the starship (along with a toothbrush, deck of cards, etc.). So after a few super exploits where Clark’s shirt and shoes are ripped to shreds, he dons the suit just as practical solution to a problem. To the extent that wearing the cape and shield is still symbolic, it’s downplayed – not heavy-handed.

Another possibility: it’s Zod and not Jor-El who gives the suit to Clark.

 

[Dr.]

Really? I didn't get that part, to be honest...not as a kid in '78, either. ...I never saw it in the backpack...cool tidbit.

In the arctic/FOS scene (in STM), Clark opens his pack to retrieve the green crystal. And we notice the tri-color fabrics in there as well. But it’s a big stretch to suppose that this is the finished iconic costume (complete with – which we don’t see and which seamstress Ma Kent wouldn’t have known about).

 

[hopefuldreamer]

No I said I'd prefer not to have a chronological origin as 'conventionally' used...whether it's in order on the screen or not. Haven't wavered from that.

But chronological MEANS in order - it means 'arranged in the order of time'.

And I'm saying that I don't think we will be getting a chronological origin.

Just because there are scenes on krypton and of a younger Clark, doesn't mean the plot has to go - krypton explodes, ma and pa find the baby, baby grows up, teenage Clark has angst, older Clark goes to Alaska etc etc.

I think it could easily start somewhere different, leading to mystery around Clark. Say it starts with Zod's origin (fight with jor-el, escape to earth/phantom zone) and then we cut straight to Clark in Alaska all bearded.

It's not until he has to save a bunch of people who are on the oil rig that you see he isn't what he seems.

And then you can have him going back home to face what's in the storm cellar, maybe having flashbacks of other times in his life where it's been obvious he's not like other people. Have him go to ma and pa, they tell him how they found him and we get to see that scene, and then maybe the hospital scene we heard rumour of.

And all of that will be intertwined with what Zod and Ursa are setting up that he will eventually have to stop, and what Lois is doing that is somehow going to land her in the thick of it.

I just don't see what has to be chronological or conventional about it.

Guess that's going over your head or I'm not explaining it well enough. No biggie....and no need to get so frustrated. But either way, I'm keeping open about the upcoming Supes movie. I have concerns, but it may surprise.

I'm sorry if I'm sounding frustrated.

I do know what your saying. I've said myself that I'd love to see something like a train rescue scene from the POV of a character like Lois.

And hey, Peter Pan manages to be a great movie/story even though constantly told from Wendy's POV, and giving little insight into Peter's backstory.

So that might be a really cool thing to try later down the line.

Just not for this film.

I believe there should be one Superman film in this sea of 'realism' and character centric origins.

I believe that because I love character centric origins and I'd be gutted if everyone but him got one

 

[camp Blood]

This cape looks amazing.

it really does

 

[Lily Adler]

So I'm wondering if they'll explain how this Superman suit works. I really don't want an explanation, but something tells me the suit absorbs and stores solar energy. I guess it's Nolan's involvement with the story that has me curious.

 

[X Knight]

So I'm wondering if they'll explain how this Superman suit works. I really don't want an explanation, but something tells me the suit absorbs and stores solar energy. I guess it's Nolan's involvement with the story that has me curious.

I hope not.

Superman's powers should be biologically based. he's not a "tech-based" hero like Batman or Ironman.

 

[Showtime]

I think the suit will explained during the Krypton segment while it is worn my Jor-El, ie explained through its execution during battle.

 

[KalMart]

Like...the dimpled texture makes the suit slip through the air better liek a golf ball, or those plastic ridges light up when it gets dark.....

 

[KalMart]

But chronological MEANS in order - it means 'arranged in the order of time'.

And I'm saying that I don't think we will be getting a chronological origin.

I'm referring to the actual progression of time in his background, and seeing that conventionally and through a pretty singular perspective. Whether you start the film in Alaska, or on Krypton.

Just because there are scenes on krypton and of a younger Clark, doesn't mean the plot has to go - krypton explodes, ma and pa find the baby, baby grows up, teenage Clark has angst, older Clark goes to Alaska etc etc.

I think it could easily start somewhere different, leading to mystery around Clark. Say it starts with Zod's origin (fight with jor-el, escape to earth/phantom zone) and then we cut straight to Clark in Alaska all bearded.

It's not until he has to save a bunch of people who are on the oil rig that you see he isn't what he seems.

That's possible...and it could also be possible not to even see Krypton or Young Clark on the farm in a first film at all...or, i part of my idea, it's not made clear at first that Clark and Supes are the same person from the start. That's what I mean by the 'chronology' information, and whose eyes we're looking through. It can add a different dynamic to a story abut who someone is, why they are/do what they are/do, and so on. But again, that's for a different discussion.

And then you can have him going back home to face what's in the storm cellar, maybe having flashbacks of other times in his life where it's been obvious he's not like other people. Have him go to ma and pa, they tell him how they found him and we get to see that scene, and then maybe the hospital scene we heard rumour of.

And all of that will be intertwined with what Zod and Ursa are setting up that he will eventually have to stop, and what Lois is doing that is somehow going to land her in the thick of it.

I just don't see what has to be chronological or conventional about it.



I'm sorry if I'm sounding frustrated.

I do know what your saying. I've said myself that I'd love to see something like a train rescue scene from the POV of a character like Lois.

And hey, Peter Pan manages to be a great movie/story even though constantly told from Wendy's POV, and giving little insight into Peter's backstory.

So that might be a really cool thing to try later down the line.

Just not for this film.

I believe there should be one Superman film in this sea of 'realism' and character centric origins.

I believe that because I love character centric origins and I'd be gutted if everyone but him got one

All good. I'm willing to have some faith in this movie even if we've seen some of he 'formula' before. If it's done well at least, then kudos.

 

[Showtime]

Zod: Kneel Before Zod.
Jor-El: Be The Ball.
Zod: What?
Jor-El: You know, because my suit looks like a golf ball?
Zod:....

I believe they are taking the "Kryptonian Technology" route which is what Singer talked about but never actually executed in Returns. I don't think Ma Kent is knitting him a suit, this is a modern take.

 

[KalMart]

Obviously, there are different ways to approach this. The suit could be represented with major Kryptonian significance and symbolism. So when Supes puts it on, it’s an explicit gesture of honoring home and/or family. On the other hand, it could just be an obvious item that would have been included in the starship (along with a toothbrush, deck of cards, etc.). So after a few super exploits where Clark’s shirt and shoes are ripped to shreds, he dons the suit just as practical solution to a problem. To the extent that wearing the cape and shield is still symbolic, it’s downplayed – not heavy-handed.

Another possibility: it’s Zod and not Jor-El who gives the suit to Clark.

I could see that, but I would want it 'played up' in terms of its visual impact if not utility. That's why I'd save its 'debut' for his triumphant first appearance as Supes...adding an immediate mysterious visual punctuation to his appearance, if you will.

In the arctic/FOS scene (in STM), Clark opens his pack to retrieve the green crystal. And we notice the tri-color fabrics in there as well. But it’s a big stretch to suppose that this is the finished iconic costume (complete with – which we don’t see and which seamstress Ma Kent wouldn’t have known about).

I guess I never noticed it tat much, To be honest, I figured that even if Mom had something to do with the suit...it came later during his 'training'...as he must have gone home a few times during those 18 years, and he had to have gone t college, etc. During then as he became ore in touch with who he was to become, he could have gotten the suit. To me, that would make much more sense than hi already having it made and in his bag on his first soul-serching trip out there.

Unless they were intended as pajamas.

 

[KalMart]

Zod: Kneel Before Zod.
Jor-El: Be The Ball.
Zod: What?
Jor-El: You know, because my suit looks like a golf ball?
Zod:....

I believe they are taking the "Kryptonian Technology" route which is what Singer talked about but never actually executed in Returns. I don't think Ma Kent is knitting him a suit, this is a modern take.

"....<sigh> oh Zod, don't you start pouting too, I'll make you one as well....!"

- "..<sniff> thanks, Ma Kent..."

 

[afan]

I loathe the concept that Jor-el sends Kal-el off with an adult size Kryptonian suit......reeks of "Your destiny is pre-planned, laid out and known by me."

 

[craigdbfan]

Or he's just passing down the family crest and culture in a sentimental way by giving him a piece of Kryptonian clothing. I mean that doesn't reek of manipulation but just a last minute passing down of an heirloom to his infant son.