The Official Costume Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[The Morningstar]

Problem with the first Superman is Lex Luthor being turned into the comic relief, instead of the complex, arrogant and truly threatening character he should be.

 

[camp Blood]

I will admit spacey did make a good luthor

 

[Comics N' Toons]

The 'Donner-Cut' worship is much more annoying.

What's more annoying than that? NOLAN Batman worship!

 

[kalhawj]

I will admit spacey did make a good luthor

Agree... I like his version of luthor...

 

[Comics N' Toons]

Problem with the first Superman is Lex Luthor being turned into the comic relief, instead of the complex, arrogant and truly threatening character he should be.

In 1978, the complex and threatening Luthor wasn't really in existence yet. He sure was arrogant though!

 

[Stoic]

In 1978, the complex and threatening Luthor wasn't really in existence yet. He sure was arrogant though!

This. Reading comics in the bronze age had a fairly comical Luthor. However, I think a lot of the camp came from Hackmans portrayal because of how he played every line with a smile. Had there been played serious with that script it would appear to be a mustache twirling fest. Hopefully a sinister, vain Luthor is what we get in the sequel.

 

[KalMart]

What's more annoying than that? NOLAN Batman worship!

At least Nolan's is somewhat justified. That Donner Cut is an embarrassment.

 

[camp Blood]

see that's a matter of opinion

 

[Rockstar]

Spacey in "Horrible Bosses" was one of the greatest movie villains ever.

 

[camp Blood]

haven't seen but I want to. I was apprehensive about charlie day stepping out from playing Charlie Kelly

 

[Kurosawa]

In 1978, the complex and threatening Luthor wasn't really in existence yet. He sure was arrogant though!

Wrong. The most complex Luthor was in existence at that time, a much deeper character than the Post-Crisis Kingpin ripoff. Maggin's Luthor, who was more a fallen man consumed and poisoned by hatred than the pure evil gangster that he became. That Luthor is what the Smallville Luthor was based on, and he is by far the most interesting live action Luthor.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

Wrong. The most complex Luthor was in existence at that time, a much deeper character than the Post-Crisis Kingpin ripoff. Maggin's Luthor, who was more a fallen man consumed and poisoned by hatred than the pure evil gangster that he became. That Luthor is what the Smallville Luthor was based on, and he is by far the most interesting live action Luthor.

You sure about that, Kuro? John Shea's Luthor was pretty badass! Rosembaum was kind of whiny at times.

 

[Sgt. Fury]

Problem with the first Superman is Lex Luthor being turned into the comic relief, instead of the complex, arrogant and truly threatening character he should be.

At the time that the movie was made, Lex WAS mostly comic relief in the comics. It wasn't until the 80's that the character was revamped in the DC universe.

 

[Sgt. Fury]

At least Nolan's is somewhat justified. That Donner Cut is an embarrassment.

I guess that's where opinions vary. I personally loved the Donner cut and thought it was a great improvement over the original theatrical version.

 

[Indy Flash]

I guess that's where opinions vary. I personally loved the Donner cut and thought it was a great improvement over the original theatrical version.

Me too.

 

[KalMart]

I guess that's where opinions vary. I personally loved the Donner cut and thought it was a great improvement over the original theatrical version.

To me it actually made it a better thing that Lester was brought in. It certainly made Donner out to not only be less the 'Superman movie legend' he was for some, but vindictive as well for even approving something like this. It should have been called the Donner Gripe for his getting fired. Lester deserves a lot more credit and appreciation after this debacle of a version and presentation. Put it this way, in no way does it say "They never should have lost Donner", but rather "thank goodness we didn't get this." However he may have felt after all these years, a filmmaker as accomplished as him should have realized how badly this would speak for him. But he was still fuming over old wounds.

But I guess that's another subject.

 

[Sgt. Fury]

To me it actually made it a better thing that Lester was brought in. It certainly made Donner out to not only be less the 'Superman movie legend' he was for some, but vindictive as well for even approving something like this. It should have been called the Donner Gripe for his getting fired. Lester deserves a lot more credit and appreciation after this debacle of a version and presentation. Put it this way, in no way does it say "They never should have lost Donner", but rather "thank goodness we didn't get this." However he may have felt after all these years, a filmmaker as accomplished as him should have realized how badly this would speak for him. But he was still fuming over old wounds.

But I guess that's another subject.

Like I said - different opinions. I thought the Lester stuff was too campy and the comedy lessens the seriousness of the movie. It seemed out of place. It appeared to be done just to make it different from Donner's version and not as an actual movement of plot. It seems to me from your posts that you have more of a personal dislike for Donner for some reason. So I really see no need for us to continue this. You have your opinion, I have mine. Thankfully you don't have to ask my permission to watch the version you like and I don't have to ask your permission to watch mine. Life finds a way.

 

[KalMart]

Like I said - different opinions. I thought the Lester stuff was too campy and the comedy lessens the seriousness of the movie. It seemed out of place. It appeared to be done just to make it different from Donner's version and not as an actual movement of plot. It seems to me from your posts that you have more of a personal dislike for Donner for some reason. So I really see no need for us to continue this. You have your opinion, I have mine. Thankfully you don't have to ask my permission to watch the version you like and I don't have to ask your permission to watch mine. Life finds a way.

Nothing about Donner's was any less campy or nonsensical though. For every bad Lester joke there's at least one of Donners...for the memory kiss, there's more turning back time, for every bad slapstick there's a toilet flush in the FOS. And then you add in a ponderous overdose of Brando footage making Superman out to be even more of a lost little boy, an equally if not more silly scenario of Lois somehow getting a handgun, etc. It's almost worse to know that they were ever filmed on anything...rehearsal or otherwise...than just about anything that did make the Lester version. And no I don't dislike Donner at all...but it doesn't mean I'm going turn a blind eye to this fiasco of his, like some Superman fans seem so apt to do...which is really what the Donner Cut is all about. Not a better version of the actual movie, as a movie...but a 'what if Donner wasn't fired'. He should have known with the lack of available footage etc...it could only reflect badly on him so he should have moved on, considering again how accomplished he's been.

Cute 'permission' line, too. Deep stuff there. But I agree that this is not the thread for it.

 

[KalMart]

So anyway...the costume.

 

[Sgt. Fury]

Cute 'permission' line, too. Deep stuff there. But I agree that this is not the thread for it.

Wasn't meant to be deep. It was a just a continuation of the we have seperate opinions theme.

So anyway...the costume.

There are some things about it I like. Others I do not. I'll have to wait and see it in action before I fully feel one way or another.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

Does anyone else have issues with the S on Cavill's costume?

The design is fine, but the texture is off and the shade of red is atrocious (too bright)

 

[KalMart]

Wasn't meant to be deep.

You don't say. Anyways...

There are some things about it I like. Others I do not. I'll have to wait and see it in action before I fully feel one way or another.

I think the texture is too 'scaly', and might have been better design/color-wise as something other than tights. But if the movie itself is good, it'll probably sit better. Also, even though we're not seeing the actual footage yet, the color tone looks even duller than the SR one. The actual film may be more vibrant overall, but the colors are surprisingly dark.

 

[KalMart]

Does anyone else have issues with the S on Cavill's costume?

The design is fine, but the texture is off and the shade of red is atrocious (too bright)

In the pictures we see...it looks 'rough'...or almost like it's a 'cake' like the SR suit that the Jon Kent ghost was holding in the last episode of Smallville. Something about the texture makes it look easy to mark up or wear away. The shape I think is rather nice. Maybe more 'old school' than modern and sharp. But nice....as long as the colors don't run when it rains.

 

[Nevaratoiel]

Does anyone else have issues with the S on Cavill's costume?

The design is fine, but the texture is off and the shade of red is atrocious (too bright)

I'm having issues with the entire outfit, not just the lack of trunks (but it is a big deal for me still). It looks dirty, dark, nothing like the Superman I've been grown up with. If the story is going to be as dark as the suit, I'm going to be very disappointed...

 

[craigdbfan]

Hardly.

Assuming those will be the colors seen in the film for the costume. Knowing Snyder I'd say the chances are high.

Nothing dirty & dark about it at all.