The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread.

[Obi-Ron]

Actually didn't Loki control the Hulks mind in Avengers #1? I also remember an issue of the Hulk in Tales to Astonish where the Stranger controled the mind of the Hulk or was it the Abomination.

Loki caused an illusion of dynamite, not quite mind control but it got the job done. And yes, the Stranger did indeed control Hulk...it was in the issues just before the Abomination's first appearance.

 

[Norm3]

Loki caused an illusion of dynamite, not quite mind control but it got the job done. And yes, the Stranger did indeed control Hulk...it was in the issues just before the Abomination's first appearance.

It was in the same issues as Abomination. It was 89-92

 

[Gamma Goliath]

uh where? because its barely noticeable. Infact I saw the Hulk get weaker.

the college campus scene where hulk is being pummeled by the sonic waves and he hears Betty screaming.
also in the final battle when abomy had hulk pinned to the wall and the helicopter was about to explode.
in both situations, hulks eyes began to flicker and glow (brighter than they already did.) and hulk gained more strength.

 

[dcHulk]

the college campus scene where hulk is being pummeled by the sonic waves and he hears Betty screaming.
also in the final battle when abomy had hulk pinned to the wall and the helicopter was about to explode.
in both situations, hulks eyes began to flicker and glow (brighter than they already did.) and hulk gained more strength.

Exactly. Thank you Gamma.

 

[Kirmit]

I'm just waiting to hear if they're going to change the current hulk design, give the current design a fuller chest (not as stretched) and that's my perfect hulk.

 

[Norm3]

I'm just waiting to hear if they're going to change the current hulk design, give the current design a fuller chest (not as stretched) and that's my perfect hulk.

I think the only change will be in better effects. Unless Marvel decides a revamp is in order. I don't mind tweeks from time to time like in the comic books. If Banner has been changing himself as in experimenting on himself then its certainly in order.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Exactly. Thank you Gamma.

no problem at all.

 

[Stripesy Strip]

the college campus scene where hulk is being pummeled by the sonic waves and he hears Betty screaming.
also in the final battle when abomy had hulk pinned to the wall and the helicopter was about to explode.
in both situations, hulks eyes began to flicker and glow (brighter than they already did.) and hulk gained more strength.

Wow that's reaching. Seriously.

 

[Stripesy Strip]

If it wasn't for the TV show, the Hulk would not be one of Marvel's top icons today. Period.

And if the show HAD been true to the comic, right around the episode where Bill Bixby had to fight off the Terrible Toad Men, the show would have gotten canceled faster than the original Hulk comic.

It ran for 5 years. If it didn't have the ratings, it would have been yanked long before. There were attempts at Spider-Man, Captain America, and Dr. Strange shows around the same time. Spider-Man didn't last long and the others barely got beyond one or two episodes. The Hulk was the only one which Marvel slapped "Marvel's TV Sensation" on its cover for a large portion of the show's run.

Memories of the show still endure and many people still identify with it. That is a sign that it made an impact on LOTS of people.

It was the first sci-fi show to win an Emmy. It was one of the longest running and most successful sci-fi shows. It's ratings were good and the pilot episode was the #1 rated show the night it aired. It was tied as the most expensive show to film on television at the time (about a million dollars an episode). It's second biggest demographic was with adult women (not exactly the comic book demographic, is it?). More people were watching than kids and comic book geeks. Did it do "Dancing with the Stars" type numbers in the ratings? No. But green wig be damned, I'd STILL rather watch The Incredible Hulk than Ryan Secrest and Mario Lopez.

It's probably my favorite tv show of all time.

But the Hulk they were supposed to put on screen was the one from the comic that was bouncing with his super legs from town to town. That was smashing tanks like they were nothing.

Letterier didn't want any of that because he never read the comics, he came to this progect as a fan of the tv show. So he reduced his strength. And Marvel had to squeeze his arm to have Hulk say one word.

 

[Sarg92]

But good point about how TIH demonstrated that the Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier. I do wish one of the characters had pointed that one out as it was happening to make it more clear.

Christina Cabot's character, Ross' aide, had a scene where she mentioned Hulk got stronger as he got angrier but that scene was cut along with all of her scenes.

Wow that's reaching. Seriously.

No it's not.

Leterrier described the Hulk's eyes getting brighter as "gamma fire". So when Hulk got angrier his "gamma fire" got more intense leading to his eyes getting brighter and him becoming stronger.

 

[ironman29758]

It's probably my favorite tv show of all time.

But the Hulk they were supposed to put on screen was the one from the comic that was bouncing with his super legs from town to town. That was smashing tanks like they were nothing.

Letterier didn't want any of that because he never read the comics, he came to this progect as a fan of the tv show. So he reduced his strength. And Marvel had to squeeze his arm to have Hulk say one word.

http://www.superherohype.com/featur...sive-letterier-feige-and-hurd-on-hulks-return

CS/SHH!: Who are some of your favorite Hulk artists? I know the movie is influenced by the TV show but Kevin mentioned you had a lot of comic book panels as inspiration, too.
Letterier: Well, I mean starting with Kirby and Stan Lee, but when they offered me "Hulk" I went to a comic book store and was looking for back issues of the Hulk and I'd seen most of them, but something that really stuck out for me was "Hulk: Gray" by Tim Sale and Jeph Loeb, and I took it and I loved it. It was amazing, so when I looked at this, I thought this was beautifully graphic, truly poetic, a simple, beautiful story for the whole family so that's what I wanted to do.
Collider: Which Incredible Hulk stories did you pull inspiration from?
http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/8236/tcid/1
Kevin: There's so many of them. Initially, it was the television series which was something that was not referenced or even discussed much on Ang Lee's “Hulk”. We knew we wanted to use that structure as the backbone of our film. On the run, being pursued, looking for a cure. There was a comic series four or five years ago by a writer named Bruce Jones that had adopted a similar fugitive-on-the-run story. That's where we got the communiqué between Mr. Blue and Mr. Green that ties most of the film together. It came right out of the Bruce Jones run on that series. Louis Letterier has discussed that a lot of inspiration -- certainly visual inspiration -- came from Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale's “Hulk: Grey” which is a great standalone one-shot that really does a great job of encompassing who Bruce is, who General Ross is and the relationship between Betty and Hulk in a way that we were very much inspired by.

He was inspired by comic stories like Hulk Gray and the Bruce Jones version of the Hulk as well as many other versions the Hulk.

 

[Stripesy Strip]

Sarge2: That didn't work. He had trouble lifting things and he would have been beat by Abomination if not for the chain. His "getting madder" didn't help there. I can't believe how weak he was in the movie.

In comparison, in the Ang Lee, film you see him getting bombarded by the army and the more he gots shot at, the more he grows and grows and becomes stronger and you see his flesh actually working via the nannites.

 

[Stripesy Strip]

http://www.superherohype.com/featur...sive-letterier-feige-and-hurd-on-hulks-return

He was inspired by comic stories like Hulk Gray and the Bruce Jones version of the Hulk as well as many other versions the Hulk.

Letterier took the job because he liked the tv show and that's the proposal he approached Marvel with. There's dozen of interviews that says this. And Kevin Feige said it too.

But they could have drawn things from other places. The cavern seen with the storm was all Hulk: Gray by Sale and Loeb. The mister Blue, mister Green communication was from the Bruce Jones run sure. Aparantly it was Ed Norton that wrote that part. But Banner as been a fugitive forever. Jones did not invent it.

The main source, was the tv show. They had the look, the music and Norton watched it over and over to mimick Bill Bixby.

 

[Kirmit]

Wow that's reaching. Seriously.

How is that reaching? Hulk was in trouble, he saw betty in trouble, got angrier, got stronger and overcame the obsticle.

 

[TX85]

I think the only change will be in better effects. Unless Marvel decides a revamp is in order. I don't mind tweeks from time to time like in the comic books. If Banner has been changing himself as in experimenting on himself then its certainly in order.

I agree!,IF they do make some changes....I would prefer they work it into the story too with Bruce making it worse with his new experiments for a cure.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

How is that reaching? Hulk was in trouble, he saw betty in trouble, got angrier, got stronger and overcame the obsticle.

exactly.

 

[TX85]

Anybody else think MAYBE they can explain Bruce's new appearance by saying he got plastic surgery??,Bruce can have a big flashback scene where it shows he left Betty again and went city to city(like the TV show)But kept getting into trouble and can't find peace and so then....Bruce get's face reconstruction to try and avoid getting caught But yet S.H.I.E.L.D. found him some how!?.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

nah, but they do need to connect ruffalo to tih some how.

 

[Obi-Ron]

I think a cameo from Leonard or one of the Rosses would do that.

 

[Silver Knight]

How is that reaching? Hulk was in trouble, he saw betty in trouble, got angrier, got stronger and overcame the obsticle.

Agreed.

 

[Ipodman]

Would be interesting if in the Avengers movie, the army used robots with Betty's face to fight the hulk.

I believe I saw something like that in Hulk Team Up #1

 

[ArtTeacher]

Anybody else think MAYBE they can explain Bruce's new appearance by saying he got plastic surgery??,Bruce can have a big flashback scene where it shows he left Betty again and went city to city(like the TV show)But kept getting into trouble and can't find peace and so then....Bruce get's face reconstruction to try and avoid getting caught But yet S.H.I.E.L.D. found him some how!?.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=18650889&postcount=19

No. No, no no.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

All this talk about TIH got me itching to watch it again. So I did. Just finished it.

The argument on this page about the Hulk getting stronger can be settled easy by just watching the last fight scene. The Abomination is clearly stronger at the beginning of the fight. It isn't really that close. As mentioned earlier, the Hulk strains to lift a hummer while the Abomination tosses vehicles around like they were made of paper. He is easily beating the Hulk throughout the first half of the fight.

Then watch the "pinned against the wall" part. As the Abomination pins the Hulk there he is pummeling him at will. Then the "eyes flashing" thing happens and suddenly the Hulk is able to pull the Abomination's arms down...much to his surprise...the look on his face is priceless. Suddenly the Hulk looks much stronger than the Abomination. The fire distracts him for a moment (leading to the cool hand clap) which appears to give the Abomination a temporary advantage. But it's the Hulk at the end with the superior strength. The Abomination is completely unable to free himself despite landing several blows. He gets stabbed with his own spine thing for his trouble.

The movie is actually not bad. Better than I remember. The acting is very good throughout. Liv Tyler is ok. Tough to be the female lead in a comic book movie. Norton is good...not great...but good. William Hurt is very good. Samuel Sterns is even better....hope he gets a chance to play The Leader at some point.

Only one cheesy part that I rolled eyes at. "How do you feel?" "Like a monster"....eeek...that's bad. Lose things like that in these movies please.

Also wish someone could come up with a better way to give the Hulk his name. This time it's a college student just deciding to say "he's like a hulk"...who would say that? How about "he's like a hulking monster!" and let it flow from there? Make it a little logical for gosh sakes.

Still bothered that Betty is able to call The Hulk "Bruce" repeatedly with no reaction from him. Someone didn't read the comic very carefully.

Still bothered by the missed opportunities to give the Hulk some dialog. The cave scene was perfect. Let the poor guy express himself already! Like...how he feels about being called "Bruce"? To rub even more salt in the wound, the Abomination is able to talk with no problem at all. (And it works...killing the argument that it won't work for a big monster) But the poor Hulk just stares balefully at Betty...apparently the audience is supposed to guess what he is thinking.

The animation is good at times and not so good at times. His face looked cartoonish at times. I have to say it looked better in the first Hulk movie believe it or not. Agree with the above poster who mentioned his chest muscles. Just a bit over the top there. Smooth that out and you've got something.

The action was excellent. That final fight ranks up there with the subway fight in Spider-Man 2. They were very inventive with it. That's the one category that beats the Iron Man movies.

Interesting to see the Super Soldier stuff now that I know more about the Cap movie. Couldn't help imagining Steve Rogers during the first fight when Blonsky was leaping around the Hulk. That's going to look awesome in the Cap movie.

I'm glad I watched it again. It's a huge improvement from the first Hulk movie and we can reasonable assume it will get even better in the future.

 

[Silver Knight]

Will Betty be in this, if so who will play her?

 

[Hoblin]

I didn't mind the announcent of Mark Ruffalo as the new Bruce Banner for one reason: It confirms that Bruce Banner is in the movie. Yeah, I would have preferred Norton, but a recast is better than not having the Hulk in the movie. And on a side note...

Christ! I REALLY hope they don't go the "Banner in control of the Hulk" route. It skips past the whole dichotomy that makes the character awesome.

"Banner in control of the Hulk" is just another way saying "Super-strong Banner." And Strong Banner isn't the Hulk. Not even close. At all. Seriously. What if they cured Banner of the Hulk, and then injected him with some serum that gave him super strength? Bam! Super-strong Banner! Now we can rename the book and everything!

A little in control isn't too bad (and it's pretty much the status quo in the comics). Just enough sub-concious control to reign the beast in and keep it from being completely animalistic. And Super-strong Banner can be an interesting storyline for a little while, but not for a movie. Unless it's something like Banner is in control for a little while and then Hulk gets all pissed off and comes out all extra-mad and smashy and stuff.

Basically, I think Banner in control of the Hulk makes about as much sense (and is just as exciting) as Hawkeye in control of Captain America. And that's laaaaaaaaaaaame!

Like what if Doctor Doom did some whacked out mumbo jumbo and switched Hawkeye's and Captain America's minds? So now Clint Barton is stuck in Captain America's body. Is that Captain America? Hell NO, it's not Captain America. It's Clint Barton in Cap's body...duh!

Or what about all those times that Loki or the Stranger or the Collector or whatever crazy cosmic character took control of Hulk and made him do bad things and kick puppies or something like that? Would you blame Hulk for those things? Was that Hulk? Hell NO, it's not Hulk. It's the Stranger in Hulk's body...duh!

I don't even know if that makes sense, but I imagine that if I said it on the Jerry Springer show the audience would go wild.