The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - - Part 11

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"We sure showed him."

"What do you mean 'we'?"

"Oh"


Never understood that bit.
Was May saying she showed Ock?

I think so. Ock was about to stab Spider-Man when she smashed him in the eye with her cane and saved Peter. I think she was joking, the way it came off in the movie you couldn't really tell for sure. It was always one of those things that kind of confused me too.
 
Yeah that part always confused me but that’s what I took out of it, that she’s taking the credit for “beating” Ock. I loved Aunt May. She was the best.
 
Even Spider-Man sounded confused at that part. I'm pretty sure he goes "Right...." in a really confused way after May says it, lol.
 
I think so. Ock was about to stab Spider-Man when she smashed him in the eye with her cane and saved Peter. I think she was joking, the way it came off in the movie you couldn't really tell for sure. It was always one of those things that kind of confused me too.
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This will help make me laugh at the bit more in later views.

Yeah that part always confused me but that’s what I took out of it, that she’s taking the credit for “beating” Ock. I loved Aunt May. She was the best.
Oh yeah, that May is awesome.
 
I actually took it as Aunt May being 'offended' by Peter implying that she was a part of the fight.

Btw that scene is an example of Spidey making jokes that feel natural and genuinely funny.
 
It was obviously a joke that May was saying she showed Ock by smacking him in the face. I mean she acknowledges later in a more serious scene in the backyard that Spidey saved her life.
 
Yeah he did! And then just swung off and left her xD

Ha! Never thought about that before. He did though. He just swung off, quite a ways and went into that great swinging shot(s) and then the scene ended. You would've thought he'd just swing out of sight get changed back to Peter Parker and then come find his Aunt. "You OK Aunt May. I went to call the police." But nope. I can only imagine their conversation when she eventually got home. lol.
 
Ha! Never thought about that before. He did though. He just swung off, quite a ways and went into that great swinging shot(s) and then the scene ended. You would've thought he'd just swing out of sight get changed back to Peter Parker and then come find his Aunt. "You OK Aunt May. I went to call the police." But nope. I can only imagine their conversation when she eventually got home. lol.



There wasn’t even a deleted scene or extended scene about it but I guess its just left up to us to figure what happened. I just remember it being a little odd when he swung away and she’s standing there while a bunch of younger women stare in awe. It felt a bite weird but still, I loved it. Besides, I think she knew he was Spider-Man at this point so she knew he would go back to his hero duties lol
 
The "what do you mean 'we'?" exchange between Spidey and Aunt May has always been one of my favorite parts. It's so adorable, and it never fails to put a big smile on my face.

Can't say it enough: Rosemary Harris was flawless as Aunt May. :)
 
The best Aunt May for me. She was amazing and I loved the scenes she had with her and Peter. It was always so sweet :)
 
Kane these are awesome, can I please request an avatar from you? It's the scene in the first Spidey vs Ock fight at the end when Oco drops Aunt May and Spidey jumps after her, specifically when he webs her and pulls her closer to him, you can reply with it here or PM me whichever is easiest.

Thanks in advance

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Just putting it out there, Raimi's first spider-film was my favourite. For me it was the most satisfying, and as wet as he was Tobey Maguire really captured what Peter Parker was all about - he wasn't a hipsterish, skateboarding boy-genius - he was a nerd with very low self -esteem.

SM 2 is great, but the idea of "drowning" an artificial sun is just stupid, can anyone say " superheated steam ?"

I think SM had the most satisfying ending - a really brutal fight between Spidey and GG, ending in GG's death (by his own hand). To me, that reminded me of the Spidey comics of my youth, that even when Spidey won, he often lost.

Just IMO of course, but I think Raimi got it right the first time - ASM never even came close to his achievement.
 
SM 2 is great, but the idea of "drowning" an artificial sun is just stupid, can anyone say " superheated steam ?"

Come on they were drowning it in a huge river. The fusion ball wasn't nearly big enough to turn the whole thing into super heated steam.
 
Ha! Never thought about that before. He did though. He just swung off, quite a ways and went into that great swinging shot(s) and then the scene ended. You would've thought he'd just swing out of sight get changed back to Peter Parker and then come find his Aunt. "You OK Aunt May. I went to call the police." But nope. I can only imagine their conversation when she eventually got home. lol.

There wasn’t even a deleted scene or extended scene about it but I guess its just left up to us to figure what happened. I just remember it being a little odd when he swung away and she’s standing there while a bunch of younger women stare in awe. It felt a bite weird but still, I loved it. Besides, I think she knew he was Spider-Man at this point so she knew he would go back to his hero duties lol
That's good, cause if he had to explain it to May, people would wonder why he did not explain it to Harry as well.
If he explained his sudden disappearance to both, audience will be like: "Eeyyyeeeeeeaaaahhhhh, that was unnecessary."
 
Just putting it out there, Raimi's first spider-film was my favourite. For me it was the most satisfying, and as wet as he was Tobey Maguire really captured what Peter Parker was all about - he wasn't a hipsterish, skateboarding boy-genius - he was a nerd with very low self -esteem.


I think SM had the most satisfying ending - a really brutal fight between Spidey and GG, ending in GG's death (by his own hand). To me, that reminded me of the Spidey comics of my youth, that even when Spidey won, he often lost.
I agree with most of this.

SM 2 is great, but the idea of "drowning" an artificial sun is just stupid, can anyone say " superheated steam ?"
No one attending the 'Power of the Sun' exhibit was sweating, or even prepared for the great deal of sweat to come.
Didn't expect steam to come out of the river water by drowning the project.
 
"We sure showed him."

"What do you mean 'we'?"

"Oh"


Never understood that bit.
Was May saying she showed Ock?).

That was a nod to Aunt May's early depictions where she was often distrustful of Spidey in general and contrary when he intervened on her behalf.
 
I was watching the first spiderman movie and I wanna talk about it for a second.

I'm pretty impressed with the character work in this movie, especially for a superhero movie at it's time.

Most superhero films didn't take time to develop the villain with a character arc at the time. But this movie does.

Some of the only other main other examples I can think of that's done this is Joker in TDK and Loki in Thor, not counting Raimi's other spiderman movies of course. The villain in superhero movies is usually just the villain. In all superhero movies from Batman 1989, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, the superman films, even in more recent films from Marvel, the villains don't have character arcs.

But this movie paints a pretty interesting picture for Norman's development as a father. He blows off his son for an admiration of Peter, who he looks at because of their similarities. When he finds out that Peter is spiderman, Norman even resists the goblin with Peter. Who knows what the goblin would have done otherwise? But Norman isn't really willing to go directly after Peter. Even as Harry comes to him broken hearted it doesn't seem like Norman's actually really figured out what to do about Peter yet, beyond scaring the crap out of his aunt.

Until he sees how hurt his son is. And finds out the betrayal that Harry's felt. Harry tells him about Peter's feelings for Mary-Jane and for a second he thinks about what he could do with it. But something clicks with him about how hurt Harry is. That's when Norman realizes that his son's been hurt and there's this change in what his priorities are.

It's interesting because Norman and the goblin have been separated the whole movie, by goals, by actions, even by space (that scene in front of the fireplace seems to emphasize a gap between Norman's body and the goblin's brain or head as it were, a gap between what Norman wants and what the goblin is telling him to do, with Norman being reeled in by the goblin, being pulling under his control, physically and mentally, until Norman is on the goblin's side of things). But in this moment, Norman and the goblin align for a singular purpose: Destroying Peter. They have different reasons, sure, but in this moment, where Norman was resisting the goblin before, he lets the goblin off the chain. Allowing him to do anything, even get the person that is a part of the reason Harry is heartbroken: Mary-Jane. Apart of that certainly seemed to be Norman getting revenge on her for Harry, while the goblin just wanted to use her to get spiderman.

There's a bit of a parallel here between Norman and Peter in spiderman 2. In spiderman 2 Peter is in conflict with the spiderman part of him. Peter wants a life, with school, with his friend, with Mary-Jane. But spiderman's purpose is to be a hero. They can't work together because what they want conflicts with eachother, so Peter and spiderman butt heads and this manifests itself with his mind rejecting the powers his body has. His powers only work when the two are aligned. That's what happens at the bank. His powers are easy and free flowing, especially after ock takes aunt may. And it's what happens at the end when ock takes Mary-Jane. Peter and spiderman's goals are aligned. They don't conflict with eachother. Peter wants to protect his loved ones and spiderman wants to stop ock.

Anyway, back to Norman. It's all in Norman's arc. He becomes someone who is able to think and care about his son's feelings, even right to when he dies with his words to Peter, it's all about Harry for him: "Don't tell Harry." That's a very character, human moment to leave Norman on. It played into his character arc nicely.
 
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So GOOD.

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Tobey Maguire presenting Stan Lee with the Comic Con Icon award from the 2009 Spike TV Scream awards.
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^ That is awesome. I love listening to Stan the man say how great Tobey is as Spidey.
 
I was watching the first spiderman movie and I wanna talk about it for a second.

I'm pretty impressed with the character work in this movie, especially for a superhero movie at it's time.

Most superhero films didn't take time to develop the villain with a character arc at the time. But this movie does.

Some of the only other main other examples I can think of that's done this is Joker in TDK and Loki in Thor, not counting Raimi's other spiderman movies of course. The villain in superhero movies is usually just the villain. In all superhero movies from Batman 1989, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, the superman films, even in more recent films from Marvel, the villains don't have character arcs.

But this movie paints a pretty interesting picture for Norman's development as a father. He blows off his son for an admiration of Peter, who he looks at because of their similarities. When he finds out that Peter is spiderman, Norman even resists the goblin with Peter. Who knows what the goblin would have done otherwise? But Norman isn't really willing to go directly after Peter. Even as Harry comes to him broken hearted it doesn't seem like Norman's actually really figured out what to do about Peter yet, beyond scaring the crap out of his aunt.

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Unfortunately, some of the reaction to Gobby's suit in the movie clouded the perception of how accurate his personality was. Visuals are certainly important, but establishing the character's outlook and modus operandi are absolutely essential. That's what the first movie did, and set the tone for the specter of the Goblin being something that permeated Peter's world more than any other villain, even after Norman was gone.
 
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