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I think they called it 3.1 because they didn't know what to call it at the time but I knew something was up when the Run Time was shorter than the Theatrical Version.

Editor's Cut was an earlier version of the movie. Someone on the Blu-Ray.com forum (his username is Hardback247) was able to get into contact with the editor of the Spider-Man films back when the cut was first leaked on Amazon (ironically around this same time in 2017) and here's what he said:

Yeah I was on that forum too at the time. It was a fun treasure hunt cause Sony barely acknowledged its existence.


I would love to see more of SM4. I remember watching Screen Junkies once and one of the panel mentioned a friend who had worked on the Vulture suit for the film, and how it looked awesome but it won't be seen.
 
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Wish we could see the Vulture costume. I think they would have been getting pretty close to filming by the time it got canceled.
 
All I want to know is whether the Vultress nonsense was actually real or not. I've heard so many conflicting things over the years that I honestly can't tell.
 
I find it amusing how ridiculed these movies were when most of the Spider-Man iterations after it have paid homage and even using scenes from the series (Whether be it the spectacular Spider-Man series, Spiderman; Into the Spider-Verse or the PS4 game).

I don't think the references in Into the Spider-Verse were affectionate, they were mostly ridiculing them.

Someone on the Blu-Ray.com forum (his username is Hardback247) was able to get into contact with the editor of the Spider-Man films back when the cut was first leaked on Amazon (ironically around this same time in 2017) and here's what he said:

It's pretty funny that some fans think including every scene would necessarily make a film better, don't get that filmmakers can want to cut/not include some scenes and think that makes it overall better (although OTOH I do wish we had seen the Sandman's daughter telling him to stop fighting scene, but not including it yes was a creative decision).
 
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Yeah I was on that forum too at the time. It was a fun treasure hunt cause Sony barely acknowledged its existence.



I would love to see more of SM4. I remember watching Screen Junkies once and one of the panel mentioned a friend who had worked on the Vulture suit for the film, and how it looked awesome but it won't be seen.
Sony probably thought it wasn't worth acknowledging considering how minimal the changes were and it was shorter than the Theatrical Version.
 
It's pretty funny that some fans think including every scene would necessarily make a film better, don't get that filmmakers can want to cut/not include some scenes and think that makes it overall better (although OTOH I do wish we had seen the Sandman's daughter telling him to stop fighting scene, but not including it yes was a creative decision).

While I'd be curious to see it, the scene where Sandman's daughter tells him to stop fighting was rightfully cut in my opinion. Marko needed to stop because he was perpetuating a cycle of crime and violence. A scene where his daughter confronts him works well on paper, but the problem with the deleted scene was that it had Penny talk him down by convincing him that no amount of money would save her. With this information, his decision to stop makes more sense in the moment, but it undermines the point of him standing down. Instead of ending the violence and apologizing to Peter because it is the right thing to do, Marko just no longer has a motivation to be a criminal anymore. That's a small but significant difference. I'd guess it was why it was cut.

Sony probably thought it wasn't worth acknowledging considering how minimal the changes were and it was shorter than the Theatrical Version.

Which begs the question of why release it at all. It was an all-new cut that was not significantly different. It was dug up as a new bonus feature for another box-set release, so presumably a selling point, but also not enough of one to really promote at all. Hence my larger speculation that perhaps Sony initially aimed for some kind of alternate Raimi cut, 3.1 or whatever. I doubt they went to the editor first.

Not to slate it. I really enjoy the Editor's Cut. I do think it is better than the theatrical in a few ways, though not enough to convert anybody.
 
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It does feel a little too weird that he goes from brutally slamming Spider-Man and certainly knowing Venom also wants to kill him to claiming I didn't want this to happen, although I guess Spider-Man did try to kill him and on the other hand he could see Harry as having been an innocent.
 
The screen tests for the first movie are great:


Maguire got really muscular for that.
 
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That shirtless screen-test is what got him the part lol.
 
While I'd be curious to see it, the scene where Sandman's daughter tells him to stop fighting was rightfully cut in my opinion. Marko needed to stop because he was perpetuating a cycle of crime and violence. A scene where his daughter confronts him works well on paper, but the problem with the deleted scene was that it had Penny talk him down by convincing him that no amount of money would save her. With this information, his decision to stop makes more sense in the moment, but it undermines the point of him standing down. Instead of ending the violence and apologizing to Peter because it is the right thing to do, Marko just no longer has a motivation to be a criminal anymore. That's a small but significant difference. I'd guess it was why it was cut.



Which begs the question of why release it at all. It was an all-new cut that was not significantly different. It was dug up as a new bonus feature for another box-set release, so presumably a selling point, but also not enough of one to really promote at all. Hence my larger speculation that perhaps Sony initially aimed for some kind of alternate Raimi cut, 3.1 or whatever. I doubt they went to the editor first.

Not to slate it. I really enjoy the Editor's Cut. I do think it is better than the theatrical in a few ways, though not enough to convert anybody.
They was going to have to bring back the Editor anyway because he edited the film just like they brought him back for Spider-Man 2.1. I think you're right on them expecting something different than what the Editor ended up doing. They pretty much gave him free reign to do whatever he wanted (which is why he restored the original Christopher Young music) and it backfired. There's no other reason I could think of why they didn't make a big deal about it other than that. As to why they bother releasing it, it was different enough and had some new scenes to where it would be appealing enough to where they could just throw it on a Bonus Disc. The biggest question is will they do it again? I highly doubt it unless Raimi changes his mind.
 
It does feel a little too weird that he goes from brutally slamming Spider-Man and certainly knowing Venom also wants to kill him to claiming I didn't want this to happen, although I guess Spider-Man did try to kill him and on the other hand he could see Harry as having been an innocent.

It's not an ideal transition as-is for sure. You can tell something is missing. I think a version of the Penny scene could have worked pretty well, you only need Flint to see what his daughter thinks of his behavior, and he could have a change of heart because of that. I think Flint would be profoundly affected by Penny seeing him as a monster. The one they shot was just a bit dumb unfortunately.

With Marko, I think he's meant to represent the cycle of revenge. He never wanted to hurt anyone, but in his desperation he did. He justifies the murder as a means to a noble end, and now exists solely to pursue that goal. He needs Spider-Man out of the way to achieve that goal, so he teams with Venom to take him out. I think what changes is that he sees Peter's face. He recognizes Peter as his victim's family. Maybe that is head-canon more than text, I haven't watched it very recently, but I think that makes some sense of his change of heart.

They was going to have to bring back the Editor anyway because he edited the film just like they brought him back for Spider-Man 2.1. I think you're right on them expecting something different than what the Editor ended up doing. They pretty much gave him free reign to do whatever he wanted (which is why he restored the original Christopher Young music) and it backfired. There's no other reason I could think of why they didn't make a big deal about it other than that. As to why they bother releasing it, it was different enough and had some new scenes to where it would be appealing enough to where they could just throw it on a Bonus Disc. The biggest question is will they do it again? I highly doubt it unless Raimi changes his mind.

I'm super grateful to have the Editor's Cut. It doesn't have all the appeal of fresh new material, but I think it is a legitimately better cut. It will always be a strange anomaly for me. I know they weren't as successful but there was probably more potential in alternate cuts of the Amazing films, especially once it was known that 2 was the last.
 
Spider-man 3:The Editor's cut did give us a few great scenes that I feel should've stayed in the film. I LOVE the moment when Peter opens the trunk to get the black suit and you actually see it breathing! So very cool and creepy! But overall,yeah,I'm still depressed that we didn't get a full Spider-man 3.1. Sam certainly doesn't seem interested in doing that. But even though those movies are now 15-20 years old(damn!),I still want more trilogy merch released. Maybe with the 20th anniversary of the original hitting next year we may get some new stuff?
 
Spider-man 3:The Editor's cut did give us a few great scenes that I feel should've stayed in the film. I LOVE the moment when Peter opens the trunk to get the black suit and you actually see it breathing! So very cool and creepy! But overall,yeah,I'm still depressed that we didn't get a full Spider-man 3.1. Sam certainly doesn't seem interested in doing that. But even though those movies are now 15-20 years old(damn!),I still want more trilogy merch released. Maybe with the 20th anniversary of the original hitting next year we may get some new stuff?
Sam wasn't even interested in doing Spider-Man 2.1. TBH, I don't even think it would be called Spider-Man 3.1. Spider-Man 2.1 was basically an Extended Cut that replaced 3 small things that were in the Theatrical Version but the movie still plays out the same. Spider-Man 3 was plagued with reshoots and them cutting out a character. They would even have to change a good portion of the Final Battle because they reshot that. The Sandcastle scene in the Editor's Cut was how Eddie and Sandman was supposed to meet up instead of that alley but they placed it before the Jazz Club scene.
 
Malkovich’s Vulture seemed like it would have pretty damn menacing. And Spidey using web-parachutes is something I’ve always wanted to see.
 
That was dynamically staged and brutal. For as awesome as Keaton's Vulture is, my biggest gripe was in the way he was used in action scenes- did not live up to the visual potential it could have for that character. This is more like what I wanted to see, he's swooping in and out of frame swiftly and with real force.

I remember we heard Vulture probably would have died after a battle with Spidey, it kind of looks like those rumors were true.
 
Watched that almost an half hour ago. That was supposed to be Felicia reacting to the fight, I think.

Whoa for real? It thought that was MJ for a second. I wonder what happened to her while this was happening.
 
Anne Hathaway was considered for Black Cat and she was going to be the Vulture's daughter, so I assume that was her given her reaction to Toomes' injuries.
 
Anne Hathaway was considered for Black Cat and she was going to be the Vulture's daughter, so I assume that was her given her reaction to Toomes' injuries.
So the movie would have started off with montages of Spidey beating lower-tier villains like Stilt-Man, Prowler, Rhino, Mysterio, maybe a few others I'm forgetting. I think there may have been two battles with the Vulture, there's pics from another sequence- remember the one with Vulture fighting Spidey with the helicopters shooting at them and Spidey swinging some gargoyles at him. I think that would have been the first battle, then this would have been the second and he'd probably die shortly after. Then Vulturess. I wonder if the shots of Spidey maskless sans battle damage falling high above the city would have been from a Vulturess confrontation.

Not sure about the Vulturess stuff honestly, wasn't sure about it even back then. Seems like a weird mix, plus thinking about it now it seems like Norman and Harry all over again except this time the legacy villain is into Peter romantically. It's not inherently a bad idea, just kind of feels like it treads close to being a retread.

From all we know about SM4 it seemed like kind of a downer, Peter and MJ's relationship didn't sound like it was going well and they may have even broken up in the movie, and he has a thing with Felicia and she ends up wanting to kill him, he seems to get evicted from his apartment, then there was also a rumor that he would quit in the end again too.

The action seemed like it was really gonna be Raimi in top form again, like this stuff again is brutal in a way we hadn't really seen again since the first film. I don't know how some of that may have passed the censors cause it seems pretty bloody, I like it, I just wonder. But again with what we know of it, it seems like it may have been pretty depressing, maybe that was part of what was stopping Sam Raimi.
 
Has the Vulturess thing ever been officially confirmed? I always took it as an unsubstantiated rumor.
 

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