The Dark Knight Rises The Official Jim Gordon / Gary Oldman Thread

[DACrowe]

Gary Oldman is absolutely outstanding. I think the top three actors of all time (yes, I'm serious) are Johnny Depp, Christian Bale, and Gary Oldman.

Those were all pretty recent actors....two of which are leading men. Just limiting it to Hollywood, methinks you need to see more of the works of Marlon Brando, Robert DeNiro, Daniel Day Lewis, Humphrey Bogart, James Cagney, Laurence Olivier, Spencer Tracy, Sidney Portier, Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman, Al Pacino, James Cazale, Robert Duvall, Gregory Peck, Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, Sean Penn, Michael Caine, etc.

There are countless great actors who have done countless great works over the year.

 

[Britannic]

Gary was on Empire web chat today:


Q: What can we expect from commissioner gordan in the dark knight rises, has he changed in any way? and what can you tell us about the new film?
GO: I'm sworn to secrecy. Nice try.


t:t:

 

[The Joker]

Gary was on Empire web chat today:


Q: What can we expect from commissioner gordan in the dark knight rises, has he changed in any way? and what can you tell us about the new film?
GO: I'm sworn to secrecy. Nice try.

The standard response from all of them, except Marion who says her character is not from the comics.

I still have hope she's not Talia.

 

[The_Raganork]

I asked him to give away the ending to TDKR before he left:

Gary_Oldman: BATMAN DIES!

 

[Lily Adler]

 

[fire_rising]

I know there's a lot of Gary Oldman discussion now but I want to bring it to the Jim Gordon side and discuss the trailer!

Bruce's hand is on his bed in the trailer, and his sleeves suggest he's wearing a suit. He's also not speaking in the Batman voice.
HOWEVER there's a VERY quick flash in the trailer that looks like a blurry Bruce. Jim isn't wearing his glasses when he speaks to him and from what I've read in at least one comic continuity he's "practically blind without them". He may not find out after all.

That said *I* personally would love it if by the time the movie ends Gordon knows. They've had 2 great movies without him knowing and I think it would make everything feel a bit more finished if he knew. There doesn't even need to be a reveal scene, but someone on here has posted a quote from the comics or something where Gordon says, "What makes you think I don't already know?". And that's really you need.

This is exactly what I think. Gordon can't see Bruce's face because, without his glasses, he is practically blind. In Year One, a similar situation occurred in which Bruce, not Batman, saved Gordon's baby from free fall. Gordon didn't have his glasses on and so he couldn't identify Bruce.

And I also agree that, at some point, Gordon should know who Batman is. Definitely.

 

[The_Raganork]

Deep down in his heart Gordon already knows

 

[chamber-music]

Heard Gary on BBC 5 Live Today. Don't expect him to be working with Luc Besson again apperantley as they fell out.

It was funny seeing Gary Oldman saying he didn't let his 9 year old son watch The Dark Knight

 

[venus_ice]

They did? I didn't know that

 

[Faramir]

I know there's a lot of Gary Oldman discussion now but I want to bring it to the Jim Gordon side and discuss the trailer!

Bruce's hand is on his bed in the trailer, and his sleeves suggest he's wearing a suit. He's also not speaking in the Batman voice.
HOWEVER there's a VERY quick flash in the trailer that looks like a blurry Bruce. Jim isn't wearing his glasses when he speaks to him and from what I've read in at least one comic continuity he's "practically blind without them". He may not find out after all.

That said *I* personally would love it if by the time the movie ends Gordon knows. They've had 2 great movies without him knowing and I think it would make everything feel a bit more finished if he knew. There doesn't even need to be a reveal scene, but someone on here has posted a quote from the comics or something where Gordon says, "What makes you think I don't already know?". And that's really you need.

I observed that same thing!

I don't want Gordon to know Bats identity. It ruins a relationship that is exceptional, especially with the number of people that do know growing. Gordon respects Batman so much that he doesn't need to know who he is to work closely with him... and Bruce respects him too much to tell him he doesn't have to thank him.

It is a match made in heaven and none of the other characters have that sort of link to him. The spill the beans for him would destroy that.

However, I would certainly like a scene that plays homage to "I'm practically blind without my glasses". A really great moment.

 

[The_Raganork]

I observed that same thing!

I don't want Gordon to know Bats identity. It ruins a relationship that is exceptional, especially with the number of people that do know growing. Gordon respects Batman so much that he doesn't need to know who he is to work closely with him... and Bruce respects him too much to tell him he doesn't have to thank him.

It is a match made in heaven and none of the other characters have that sort of link to him. The spill the beans for him would destroy that.

However, I would certainly like a scene that plays homage to "I'm practically blind without my glasses". A really great moment.

it's open to interpretation (and my personal opinion) that Gordon was blatantly lying.

I think he knows who Batman is but his respect for what the man does allows him to keep that secret.

And so in the end Gordon becomes somewhat like Batman. He knows something no one else really does even Batman doesn't know he knows it but he keeps it a secret for the better of Gotham, Batman and himself.

 

[DKDetective]

I agree. While this and the literal interpretation of that scene in Year One are both valid, Gordon really knowing, but keeping Batman's secret, is thematically more in line with the story told in Year One. It's about Gordon coming to know and trust Batman as a force for good. He goes from the guy hunting the Bat to the one secretly aiding him. For him to know and keep it secret is the climax of that theme. Even if he is practically blind without his glasses, he already suspects Bruce Wayne as Batman, and the guy who saves his son has the same basic characteristics. If anything, that would reinforce his suspicions. At the very least, I believe he is willfully blind about Batman's identity in Year One.

I've made the point before that in the Nolan films, Bruce hides his voice from the very beginning, from that first meeting in the ski mask onwards. Unless Nolan is pulling some big trick on us and "What if he doesn't exist anymore?" is taken from a different scene, then I think Bruce either visits Gordon as Bruce or he visits him as Batman and lets the mask slip. But given the choice of words, I really think it is Bruce that Gordon is taking to. It makes more sense both plotwise and thematically since they are taking about Batman in third person. I think Gordon know by the end of TDKR. It would also make more sense of the fact that it appears that Blake is doing something with a non-costumed Bruce.

 

[Batman jr.]

I still find it amazing that this is the same actor who played Drexl & Stansfield.

 

[Batman jr.]

Daniel Day Lewis is entirely an Indie guy(outside of Nine) while Johnny Depp has become a only a big budget Hollywood guy. Now both are great actors but Gary Oldman is the perfect median between the two.

Johnny Depp has been cast by Tim Burton too much, we get his antiques in his movies now.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

I like how Gordon's mustache is very gray this time around...

 

[DonnyLebeau]

it's open to interpretation (and my personal opinion) that Gordon was blatantly lying.

I think he knows who Batman is but his respect for what the man does allows him to keep that secret.

And so in the end Gordon becomes somewhat like Batman. He knows something no one else really does even Batman doesn't know he knows it but he keeps it a secret for the better of Gotham, Batman and himself.

It's very likely that Gordon knows something, either Bruce is Bats or is financing his endeavours. He would've noticed him at the Press Conference where Harvey claims to be Batman and then there's the obvious Lamborghini crash scene when he says "That was a very brave thing you did!"

Insinuating that Bruce was in fact saving Reese's life and not just a dumb, pretty boy racing his fancy car. But in keeping with the mythos, he just simply chooses to ignore the facts and maintain plausible deniability.

 

[RedSkull]

Things I saw yesterday included Gordon struggling with the bomb in the back of the truck. Lots of steam was coming out and the truck was vibrating. Perhaps how he gets injured?

 

[venus_ice]

Then his speech to Bruce would have to be very late on in the film

 

[dark_b]

Things I saw yesterday included Gordon struggling with the bomb in the back of the truck. Lots of steam was coming out and the truck was vibrating. Perhaps how he gets injured?

ohhhhhh i am going to be as open minded as i can be. but i think there is no way that the hospital scene is after batwing/truck chase scenes.i agree that context is important.

Miranda Tate is the villain. Catwoman and Batman are already a team. so Gordon,Catwoman and Batman all work together. Bruce is in his normal suit in hospital with a skimask.

 

[TCCB]

I know everybody has been saying they see Bruce in the hospital and I might be over skeptical but, I haven't seen his hand, the suit or anything but Bruce's voice overlayed in the trailer...obviously they're talking about Batman, Jim is talking TO Batman, but if Batman is on the lam and on the run I don't know that he'd risk being caught so simply by the guards who are more than likely just outside the room, or by the nurses and doctors who may be walking by. So skimask Bruce is a possibility, but repelling out a skyscraper in a nice business suit and a ski mask is just asking to be caught...It has to be set up a little better than that.

Bruce is probably dropped off and escorted by Blake, after the Stadium is blown up, they probably aren't joining to be taking any chances with Gotham's Elite, especially if the Mayor and Bruce were together in the Skybox as have been claimed by ninja reports. But if Bruce is repelling out of windows, it's probably because someone's coming for him at the hospital....I don't know I'm just talking out of my ass. And Gary Oldman is and has been amazing

 

[Naked Shia]

I think the hospital scene will happen after the first Bane/Batman confrontation. Bats will be missing in action for a while, forcing the GCPD to act without him. Gordon may fall in a trap, and Bruce will be back to discover that. So I think the whole chase scene happens after that.

 

[Britannic]

Sadly it's low quality. Gary on set:

http://www.tpgnews.com/video/detail.php?id=122344

 

[Blue Sugar]

Seriously? He looks way fatter and older than in TDK. Worst Gordon ever.

And that grey mustache? Nolan has no sense of continuity?

Lame.

/sarcasm

 

[Marx]

Gary Oldman is one of the best aspects of the Nolan series, if not THE BEST aspect of it.

 

[The_Raganork]

Gordon is by far my favorite character