Justice League The Official Justice League Director Thread

[Airwings]

Then what about Denzel with a lot of make-up and cgi added, as MM?

 

[Majik1387]

What about no Denzel at all.

 

[KangConquers]

IM was good, but the 3rd act wasn't good and IM2 was terrible IMO.

Cowboys and Aliens was horrendously unbalanced and had plenty of dull moments.

IM was great.

Watchmen and 300 were soulless eye candy. Any emotion you can glean from those films came from the source material.

It's my belief that Zack Snyder is a great craftsmen, but a horrible artist.

 

[The Guard]

 

[Mad Love]

Any emotion you can glean from those films came from the source material.

It's my belief that Zack Snyder is a great craftsmen, but a horrible artist.

Same can be said about Iron Man. It's all from comics. 300 did have a lot of emotion. The difference is it's not soap drama emotion. It's emotions of war.

I actually think it's the opposite. Snyder is a shoddy craftsman but a good artist. Visuals are his strength but the cinema craft of fleshing out scenes, pacing, etc. are things he's still developing. Snyder has vision but his execution needs work.

 

[KangConquers]

Same can be said about Iron Man. It's all from comics. 300 did have a lot of emotion. The difference is it's not soap drama emotion. It's emotions of war.

I actually think it's the opposite. Snyder is a shoddy craftsman but a good artist. Visuals are his strength but the cinema craft of fleshing out scenes, pacing, etc. are things he's still developing. Snyder has vision but his execution needs work.

300 felt like a video game to me. I didn't feel anything.

Visuals to me are the pure technical part. Heart and drama is the "art" of film making.

 

[Dark Knight]

Same can be said about Iron Man. It's all from comics. 300 did have a lot of emotion. The difference is it's not soap drama emotion. It's emotions of war.

I actually think it's the opposite. Snyder is a shoddy craftsman but a good artist. Visuals are his strength but the cinema craft of fleshing out scenes, pacing, etc. are things he's still developing. Snyder has vision but his execution needs work.

Yep. 300 was good for a war and battle film. It had heart IMO.

Just because 300 or Watchmen didn't have campy dialog and have an ad lib actor like Downey saving every other scene, doesn't mean that those Snyder films were "souless".

300 had plenty of "soul" actually.

 

[JAK®]

Calling Watchmen "eye candy" is a very superficial take on the film. It doesn't surprise me that all you can recognise is eye candy if you're easily distracted by it.

 

[jacobed]

I must say I didn't enjoy any of the Iron Mans. I found RDJ to be very annoying. The whole talk fast and make fun of everyone really got old fast.

 

[Dark Knight]

I must say I didn't enjoy any of the Iron Mans. I found RDJ to be very annoying. The whole talk fast and make fun of everyone really got old fast.

Agreed.

 

[KangConquers]

Calling Watchmen "eye candy" is a very superficial take on the film. It doesn't surprise me that all you can recognise is eye candy if you're easily distracted by it.

Oh, I see. The "If you don't like what I like, you must not be very intelligent." argument.

I prefer for director's to add their own twist to material. I feel like all great comic book adaptations have this. Richard Donner, Christopher Nolan, Sam Raimi, Jon Favreau and Joss Whedon all brought their own artistic take on each character, and made changes when necessary to help create a stronger film. Not everything in a book works on the big screen, and it takes a tasteful director to recognize this.

Watchmen show Snyder as a craftsman without anything to say of his own in regards to the material and no sense of restraint. It's basically a giant fan service film, which is probably why you like it so much. I felt like I was watching a video game adaptation of a book I'd loved for 10 years, with cheap tv actors in every role. He was also determined to keep nearly every line untouched no matter how untrue the actors reading of the line read.

Basically, I think Snyder as a director, needs someone to hold his hand for him to make anything other than fanboy servicing crap. If he'd directed Lord of the Rings, we would've had to suffer through 45 minutes of Tom Bombadil in the name of source material worship, regardless if it would grind the pace of the film to a halt.

 

[Project862006]

watchmen is a different beast that is 1 comic book you would be an idiot to have to change watchmen is like a domino effect you change 1 thing then you may have to change 3 or 4 other things because everything is connected

it was a damn blessing snyder directed watchmen past directors like Greengrass and Aronofsky were gonna put watchmen in modern times which could be one of the worst decisions you could do

not to mention past development on watchmen had keanu reeves as Manhattan lol

 

[shauner111]

I must say I didn't enjoy any of the Iron Mans. I found RDJ to be very annoying. The whole talk fast and make fun of everyone really got old fast.

I enjoyed him and that routine in the first movie but i couldnt take it in the second movie. I laughed at his lines a lot in Avengers probably because i thought he was the only entertaining thing in the movie (besides Hulks action scenes) but when i saw it a second time, i was back to being annoyed.

I find Tony Stark is an extremely one dimensional character most of the time. Downey is perfect for it, but it gets old reaaaaally quick. Hopefully in the 3rd he gets to do a few serious scenes to balance it out.

 

[The Guard]

I prefer for director's to add their own twist to material.

He did. WATCHMEN, being a deconstruction, has Snyder’s own satirical take on various elements in it.

I feel like all great comic book adaptations have this. Richard Donner, Christopher Nolan, Sam Raimi, Jon Favreau and Joss Whedon all brought their own artistic take on each character, and made changes when necessary to help create a stronger film.

I'm curious what you mean by "their own artistic take" on a character. These directors are compressing decades of comics and multiple types of source material into their distinctive take on each character. WATCHMEN is a single source, a 12 issue series, not an entire mythology.

Not everything in a book works on the big screen, and it takes a tasteful director to recognize this.

Eh, I think a statement like this lacks some imagination. Anything can work, properly executed. Not everything in the book WAS onscreen, far from it. The squid, etc, being obvious notable exceptions. What didn’t work onscreen in WATCHMEN? What should he have left out?

Watchmen show Snyder as a craftsman without anything to say of his own in regards to the material and no sense of restraint.

Not true.

It's basically a giant fan service film, which is probably why you like it so much. I felt like I was watching a video game adaptation of a book I'd loved for 10 years, with cheap tv actors in every role. He was also determined to keep nearly every line untouched no matter how untrue the actors reading of the line read.

Aside from what you "felt", which is your personal experience, also not true. A lot of the dialogue was altered, sometimes drastically.

Basically, I think Snyder as a director, needs someone to hold his hand for him to make anything other than fanboy servicing crap. If he'd directed Lord of the Rings, we would've had to suffer through 45 minutes of Tom Bombadil in the name of source material worship, regardless if it would grind the pace of the film to a halt.

And yet he excised Malcom Long’s subplot and several others from WATCHMEN...

 

[Kevin Smith]

I enjoyed him and that routine in the first movie but i couldnt take it in the second movie. I laughed at his lines a lot in Avengers probably because i thought he was the only entertaining thing in the movie (besides Hulks action scenes) but when i saw it a second time, i was back to being annoyed.

I find Tony Stark is an extremely one dimensional character most of the time. Downey is perfect for it, but it gets old reaaaaally quick. Hopefully in the 3rd he gets to do a few serious scenes to balance it out.

This ^^.

The first Iron Man is great. I buy it, the characters are great. But part 2...with all the characters, particularly Tony Stark, it's like they're doing imitations of themselves. Not playing the characters but rather imitations, mimicking what they would or wouldn't do in situations. Terrible dialogue. And I agree right on about Avengers.

One other thing, I wish that deleted Cap scene would have been in Avengers. That scene with the girl at the end, her on tv talking about Cap...it would have made a lot more sense if that were left in, plus Stan's cameo was better. The way the movie is now it's like..."why are they giving her so much facetime"? That's how I feel anyway.

 

[dnno1]

This ^^.

The first Iron Man is great. I buy it, the characters are great. But part 2...with all the characters, particularly Tony Stark, it's like they're doing imitations of themselves. Not playing the characters but rather imitations, mimicking what they would or wouldn't do in situations. Terrible dialogue. And I agree right on about Avengers.

One other thing, I wish that deleted Cap scene would have been in Avengers. That scene with the girl at the end, her on tv talking about Cap...it would have made a lot more sense if that were left in, plus Stan's cameo was better. The way the movie is now it's like..."why are they giving her so much facetime"? That's how I feel anyway.

My opinion, but I really think that its Just Robert Downey Jr. and his fans that are propping up the Iron Man (and for that matter the Avengers) franchise.

 

[Airwings]

To all of you: what about Zemeckis directing this, and Denzel playing Darkseid then?

I prefer for director's to add their own twist to material. I feel like all great comic book adaptations have this. Richard Donner, Christopher Nolan, Sam Raimi, Jon Favreau and Joss Whedon all brought their own artistic take on each character

Tim Burton? Bryan Singer? And (imo) Ang Lee? You don't hold any of them as worthy being mentioned?

 

[Kevin Smith]

My opinion, but I really think that its Just Robert Downey Jr. and his fans that are propping up the Iron Man (and for that matter the Avengers) franchise.

Lol. Well I'm not so sure about that...I really think that the first film just struck the right chord and was done at the right place and time. Had the right blend of things; the cast, the character, it was something new. Had that movie magic with it. It got people excited. I liken it to the first Batman with Keaton (but not as BIG). I don't think Downey was QUITE the "A-Lister" before it...in like a Depp sense at least. But that's a big contributing factor, no doubt. I'm frankly very curious as to how well Captain America 2 will fare at the box office seeing how he's already been introduced so the public's initial curiosity is out of their system, now we will see just how interested people are in him (no condemnation on Cap, either, I love the character).

 

[JAK®]

Oh, I see. The "If you don't like what I like, you must not be very intelligent." argument.

It's a direct rebuttal to the "I didn't like it so it mustn't have been very intelligent" argument.

I simply think that writing Watchmen off as eye candy is unfair. The film had eye candy, but that's not a negative, and it had the 'substance' that people crave too. But some people aren't willing to look past the icing.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I is more intelligenter then both of youse.

 

[mclay18]

El Mayimbe posted two possible hints at JL directors... Zack Snyder and surprisingly, Shane Black.

http://***********/elmayimbe/status/296870652554641408

Shane Black... hmm. I like that possibility.

 

[shauner111]

He could be joking.

 

[shauner111]

Hopefully he is, cuz i dont want Shane Black directing this. It's also a little weird if he's just done Iron Man 3, an integral part of Marvels Avengers universe, then he goes to DC to do Justice League. Maybe that means nothing, but it feels weird to me.

So in that case i hope Snyder doesnt pass.

Honestly, if Black gets the job or Favreau ill facepalm the **** out of my forehead. I prefer Black to Favreau but come on...imagination Warner Brothers.

 

[mclay18]

He could be joking.

Snyder retweeted that post:

http://***********/RebootByZack/status/296880756184207360

I think there's some truth to it.

 

[shauner111]

Snyder retweeted that post:

http://***********/RebootByZack/status/296880756184207360

I think there's some truth to it.

Is that an official twitter page though? He might not be running it. (dont have time to check all his tweets to see if it's him).