The Official Lex Luthor Casting Thread

[Kid_Kaos]

To bad it's not reality and it's a movie, the guy got off on appeal because Superman wasn't there to testify. In the comics Lex gets out of anything and everything. We'll see if there is a Lexcorp or not, but it won't hinge on you saying it's "impossible" or me saying it's "probable."

And THAT's exactly the problem of Singer's Superman-world. Singer tried to make a realistic/serious take but totally contradicted it by making weird fantasy things in it without ANY explanation. --> There may is a justice system but they can't lock up the biggest threat of the world!? And the press doesn't even care that he's out of jail, they keep ignoring him even after Supes returns although Lex is his biggest (and so far sole) enemy!? And then he suddenly can build a giant island or continent on earth to kill billions of people (but in the end without much consequences to mankind anyway)!? And now he's supposed to go on to be the big man in the sequel, without consequences for his latest scheme, AGAIN???
--> It doesn't work that way! You can't market a movie as realistic and then suddenly change what ever you like to show something "interesting" or "big" or whatever the stupid crystals were supposed to be. It's a big part of why the movie failed. BB can be taken as real, Spider-Man is real to some extend, the rest is shown with a wink but people accept the fantasy elements.
SR is just overly serious but blatantly mixes Sci-Fi (aliens) with Fantasy (magic crystals) without any explanation and therefore inevitably falls into this campy feeling the old movies have the second Luthor announces his crazy plan to take over the world.

The thing is, if you bring in unrealistic crap and don't explain it properly (like the Spidey movies do) you create huge plotholes. And if anything can happen, it's not interesting to watch, 'cause it all could be negated by something or someone's actions afterwards. Like in the sequel you could make Mxy pop up, *snap's his fingers*, no more earth and then roll the credits. It's not so much Singer's but Donner's fault resp. the writers of the 60s who made up so much crap. It may work in the comics, but you have to have some realistic boundaries in a live action movie, otherwise it'll look cheesy, (too) unrealistic or plain dumb when you think about it for a second. That's a problem the new F4 movie (with SS & Galactus) and the Transformers have to dodge in order to be accepted by a wide range of viewers.

An another thing: The time of weird crazy scientists is over. It was stated plain and simple in the "Look up in the Sky" doc. The threats of today are corporations and how they use their scientists to build something dangerous. Not one single guy with a plan and some cons.

 

[Showtime]

Wow I touched a nerve. Did you guys break your keyboards?

It is obvious that Lex will be back, and I am sure he won't be going to prison. I can understand there are many plotholes in that story arc, but it is what it is. He's either going to continue being the "Greatest Criminal Mind of Our Time" and live in the sewers under the city or maybe on a desert island; or he might be building up Lexcorp or running for office. Whatever it is it's still a movie.

Maybe he will escape prison in a hot air balloon with the help of "that little black box". No matter what, the character of Lex will live on.

 

[VenomsMom]

Wow I touched a nerve. Did you guys break your keyboards?

It is obvious that Lex will be back, and I am sure he won't be going to prison. I can understand there are many plotholes in that story arc, but it is what it is. He's either going to continue being the "Greatest Criminal Mind of Our Time" and live in the sewers under the city or maybe on a desert island; or he might be building up Lexcorp or running for office. Whatever it is it's still a movie.

Maybe he will escape prison in a hot air balloon with the help of "that little black box". No matter what, the character of Lex will live on.

That was just a little sarcasm there, but actually I agree with you, Lex will be back and he is highly pissed off at being foiled again. His entire focus will be on Superman and finally "ERADICATING" him sort of speak. And I dont think Singer is going to use Lexcorp unfortunately to do it. Whatever alien being comes to earth Lex will be heavily involved in that and not running some made up company its clear he didnt have. Its too late for Lexcorp, get over it.

 

[Showtime]

That was just a little sarcasm there, but actually I agree with you, Lex will be back and he is highly pissed off at being foiled again. His entire focus will be on Superman and finally "ERADICATING" him sort of speak. And I dont think Singer is going to use Lexcorp unfortunately to do it. Whatever alien being comes to earth Lex will be heavily involved in that and not running some made up company its clear he didnt have. Its too late for Lexcorp, get over it.

I have nothing to get over, I could care less if there was Lexcorp or not, my point is it could still happen whether you like it or not. Some will be disappointed, but Lex becomes a sideshow if there is another villian like Brainiac anyway. I would rather have him incorporate another Lex arc from the comics, but if he doesn't, then I won't lose sleep over it.

 

[VenomsMom]

I have nothing to get over, I could care less if there was Lexcorp or not, my point is it could still happen whether you like it or not. Some will be disappointed, but Lex becomes a sideshow if there is another villian like Brainiac anyway. I would rather have him incorporate another Lex arc from the comics, but if he doesn't, then I won't lose sleep over it.

I wasnt telling you in particular to get over it, that was just a blatant statement in regard to this thread. I wanted Lexcorp from the start but we didnt get it so what now. The alien being will be the major focus in the movie. Who ever that might be? Im sensing Superman II again where Lex plays second fiddle to this new villain some how gtting involved for his own personal gain, that is all.

 

[Showtime]

I wasnt telling you in particular to get over it, that was just a blatant statement in regard to this thread. I wanted Lexcorp from the start but we didnt get it so what now. The alien being will be the major focus in the movie. Who ever that might be? Im sensing Superman II again where Lex plays second fiddle to this new villain some how gtting involved for his own personal gain, that is all.

I got you. I apologize. My face is red.

 

[VenomsMom]

I got you. I apologize. My face is red.

Jesus Christ....One of those emoticons would have suffice.t:

 

[Showtime]

Jesus Christ....One of those emoticons would have suffice.t:

They are special Showtime Emoticons. You can use them.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

But that doesn't make it the best way. Do you want to see King Tut in a Batman movie? Sure, he has been in Batman cannon, he can be interpreted as a Batman villian, but that doesn't make him one of quality. Lex's campy persona is not one of quality. Corporate Lex is. Just because it has been done, doesn't make it good.



No it wasn't. X2 was nothing like God Loves, Man Kills. It is like Singer looked through a list of X-Men villians on Wikipedia, closed his eyes, pointed at one, and choose the name. The only similiarity is William Stryker's name. The character of Stryker isn't even the same. He is closer to John Wraith of the Ultimate series. To say X2 is based on God Loves, Man Kills is like saying X-Men is based on Moby Dick because it once featured a character named Ahab. Singer did no research, he picked a name.

You got me on X2. Never read it. Just know Stryker and Nightcrawler were important.

On the other hand, I would never have thought of putting a stupid character like Scarecrow in a movie but Nolan did it and in a damn good way.

Everyone enjoys the ALL Star Superman mad scientist Lex by Morrison. Should it simply be dismissed because of it not being the corporate Lex. Face it, if something is good it's good. Like trying a food you thought you won't like. You just didn't like Singer's Lex. That's cool.

 

[afan]

Yes, thats the fabulous justice system. Lex gets off the hook after nearly obliverating the west coast of the US because Superman didn't testify in court.

Arrrgh vague history strikes again!

Can someone please explain this.
At the end of STM Lex Luthor is in prison, he's not awaiting trial, he's doing time! One must assume he has been tried, with if called cross examined testimony from Superman, before a jury of his peers, and convicted, case closed. He then escapes from prison! So how in the name of great Caesar's Ghost, is he a free man in SR.

Now to the topic at hand, interestingly a vast network of financial concerns masterminded by Lex Luthor was in place in STM. Though not presented in detail ad nauseam or given a name, it is stated that some nut,(Luthor) thru various and multiple channels is buying up countless acres of worthless desert land. This endeavor alone would necessitate an intricate and all encompassing network of agents, lawyers, and representatives of an organization that puts Lex Luthor in STM on a level at least on a par with any stratospherically successful CEO.

 

[VenomsMom]

Arrrgh vague history strikes again!

Can someone please explain this.
At the end of STM Lex Luthor is in prison, he's not awaiting trial, he's doing time! One must assume he has been tried, with if called cross examined testimony from Superman, before a jury of his peers, and convicted, case closed. He then escapes from prison! So how in the name of great Caesar's Ghost, is he a free man in SR.

Now to the topic at hand, interestingly a vast network of financial concerns masterminded by Lex Luthor was in place in STM. Though not presented in detail ad nauseam or given a name, it is stated that some nut,(Luthor) thru various and multiple channels is buying up countless acres of worthless desert land. This endeavor alone would necessitate an intricate and all encompassing network of agents, lawyers, and representatives of an organization that puts Lex Luthor in STM on a level at least on a par with any stratospherically successful CEO.

Well... after near total confusion with all this, I thought they ignored him breaking out in II. Or maybe they didnt? At some point they said he went to the fortress of solitude so when did that happen and since they ignored Zod and friends what reason did he go up there for. Why didnt he steal the crystal then? Why is he just realizing the powers they possesed. Why would Superman leave these crystal in a vulnerable position? Didnt he realize the power they posessed? I thought it was understood in SR that he was in prison for 5 years and got off for an appeal or something because Superman didnt show up. Why is Lex being the genius he is waiting patiently for an appeal. He couldnt figure out how to beat the system sooner? Who was tending to this business while in jail? Will we get answers? Or lets just move on and pretend like the First Donner film never happened.

 

[Dope Nose]

I thought it was understood in SR that he was in prison for 5 years and got off for an appeal or something because Superman didnt show up. Why is Lex being the genius he is waiting patiently for an appeal. He couldnt figure out how to beat the system sooner? Who was tending to this business while in jail? Will we get answers? Or lets just move on and pretend like the First Donner film never happened.

 

[Dope Nose]

So, everyone is just supposed to take Lex's word over Superman?! And let me ask you a question, just how did Lex get that technology? Oh yea, he STOLE it.

I'm not sure you understood my post. I was suggesting that Lex deny any responsibility/involvement in the creation of the new landmass.

 

[VenomsMom]

People should run out and buy this in order to get an explanation of this and other questions regarding plot devices that should have been clarified or at least mentioned in the movie? Why?

 

[Matt]

the fact is it is lazy to include important plot points in a companion comic book. And just for the record, if Lex getting off on an appeal because Superman failed to testify is ridiculous. Appeals are not questions of fact, they are questions of procedure. Superman's documented original statements would be enough for an appeal court, he wouldn't have to be present..

 

[Showtime]

Seems as if Lex is the real Man of Steel.

 

[VenomsMom]

Arrrgh vague history strikes again!

Can someone please explain this.
At the end of STM Lex Luthor is in prison, he's not awaiting trial, he's doing time! One must assume he has been tried, with if called cross examined testimony from Superman, before a jury of his peers, and convicted, case closed. He then escapes from prison! So how in the name of great Caesar's Ghost, is he a free man in SR.

Now to the topic at hand, interestingly a vast network of financial concerns masterminded by Lex Luthor was in place in STM. Though not presented in detail ad nauseam or given a name, it is stated that some nut,(Luthor) thru various and multiple channels is buying up countless acres of worthless desert land. This endeavor alone would necessitate an intricate and all encompassing network of agents, lawyers, and representatives of an organization that puts Lex Luthor in STM on a level at least on a par with any stratospherically successful CEO.

And further more, since his plan to knock Cali into the {Pacific didnt work} he still owned all of this worthless land that he bought. I would say he lost out on that deal with all that money he put into this so called company. He has nothing but the money old sugar momma left him.

 

[VenomsMom]

You would think when some idiot buys all that worthless land and all of a sudden someone hijacks a couple of missiles, they could put 2+2 TOGETHER.
But no, apparently they needed the testimony of a superhero who missed his court date.

 

[afan]

And further more, since his plan to knock Cali into the {Pacific didnt work} he still owned all of this worthless land that he bought. I would say he lost out on that deal with all that money he put into this so called company. He has nothing but the money old sugar momma left him.

Only because of Superman, barring his inteference it really was an ingeniously heartless plan on the grandest of scales.

No doubt he must have lost a considerable amount of money, but he did purchase the land at "bargain basement prices", and the vast network he must have in place to carry out his plan speaks to greater ownings and personal wealth than just the amount needed to purchase the land itself. All those people he had scurrying about the west coast buying the land recieved wages I suspect, and his network had to be incredibly complex and vast as it spanned numerous states.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I'm not sure you understood my post. I was suggesting that Lex deny any responsibility/involvement in the creation of the new landmass.

Doh! I misread your post. I apologize.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

People should run out and buy this in order to get an explanation of this and other questions regarding plot devices that should have been clarified or at least mentioned in the movie? Why?

Unfortunately, it does take reading those prequel comics to get a better understanding of the gap between S:TM and SR and to see how virtually all of S2 is discounted from this continuity.

And I agree with Matt, it is lazy writing to include important plot points in a companion comic book.

 

[Retroman]

After the way SR ended i'm not really expecting Lexcorp to emerge in the sequel. But if they can find a way to do it. I'm all for it.

No it wasn't. X2 was nothing like God Loves, Man Kills. It is like Singer looked through a list of X-Men villians on Wikipedia, closed his eyes, pointed at one, and choose the name. The only similiarity is William Stryker's name. The character of Stryker isn't even the same. He is closer to John Wraith of the Ultimate series. To say X2 is based on God Loves, Man Kills is like saying X-Men is based on Moby Dick because it once featured a character named Ahab. Singer did no research, he picked a name.

He did do research;Wolverine, Phoenix, Deathstrike, Nightcrawler etc..

 

[VenomsMom]

Certainly they have the power of the pen and they can write it how they want, but I see no reason to try and include Lexcorp now. It seems to me that Singer was going another route and was really getting away from what ever Business Lex did. This all should have already been established in the five years that Superman was gone with Lex portraying all the qualities that I explained earlier in one of these threads. Singer missed the boat on this. Now after five years it seems as if his character has the same personalities and traits he had. He has swindled an old lady,surrounded himself with goons who are probably ex convicts who served with him, and another dingy female sidekick. The next movie will focus more on this alien being and his story, more links to Krypton, the Supes,Lois and Richard triangle, Jason and his powers, and Lex's possible invovement in this, and the possibilty of NK island returning. Dont try to fix his mistake of leaving Lexcorp out now. Lex is a con man with above average intelligence.

 

[afan]

Lex is a con man with above average intelligence.

Which he was not in STM. By the way I would add gigalo to your description.

 

[VenomsMom]

Lex being able to con the United States military on a mission to transport top secret nukes along with a moron in Otis and a **** in Ms Testmacher and was able to some how pull it off. He was smart enough to exact the coordinates of the missiles and guide them from his sewer secret lair. He was also able to figure out Superman's weakness and encase it in lead. Con man with above average intellignce. And yes apparently we can add gigolo to that.