The Official Lex Luthor Casting Thread

[Paste Pot Pete]

He did do research;Wolverine, Phoenix, Deathstrike, Nightcrawler etc..

Anyone who says otherwise is looking at his X-Men movies with an embittered SR filter.

SR was based on the precedent of the Donner films (whether or not it should've been exclusively is questionable), but since the comics (and yeah, animated series) were the only precendent for X-Men, it's kinda obvious that he read some.

You don't pull those characters and themes out of thin air. Somehow he emerged with a pitch-perfect understanding of Magneto, Xavier, Wolverine, Jean, Rogue...the list goes on and on, topped most importantly by what Stan Lee was writing about in the first place.

Not to mention he had the balls to undetake a massive storyline like Phoenix...only to have it mutilated by Fox and Ratner.

 

[Matt]

He did do research;Wolverine, Phoenix, Deathstrike, Nightcrawler etc..

Umm, have you read God Loves, Man Kills? Deathstrike and Phoenix weren't in it (in fact, its been awhile since I've read it...but I believe Jean all together was absent...and if she wasn't, she was Marvel Girl). Wolverine was a background character, nor do I remember Nightcrawler being that prominent outside of the symbolism...if I remember correctly, Kitty was the main character.

 

[Showtime]

I don't think Retro meant that he did research using God Love, Man Kills, I believe he meant research in general.

 

[Matt]

I don't think Retro meant that he did research using God Love, Man Kills, I believe he meant research in general.

I see. My mistake.

 

[Showtime]

I see. My mistake.

Don't let it happen again, you'll ruin "The Summer of George II"

 

[Robin91939]

Arrrgh vague history strikes again!

Can someone please explain this.
At the end of STM Lex Luthor is in prison, he's not awaiting trial, he's doing time! One must assume he has been tried, with if called cross examined testimony from Superman, before a jury of his peers, and convicted, case closed. He then escapes from prison! So how in the name of great Caesar's Ghost, is he a free man in SR.

Now to the topic at hand, interestingly a vast network of financial concerns masterminded by Lex Luthor was in place in STM. Though not presented in detail ad nauseam or given a name, it is stated that some nut,(Luthor) thru various and multiple channels is buying up countless acres of worthless desert land. This endeavor alone would necessitate an intricate and all encompassing network of agents, lawyers, and representatives of an organization that puts Lex Luthor in STM on a level at least on a par with any stratospherically successful CEO.

No. If you remember, Superman simply delivered Lex Luthor and Ottis to the Warden of the Prison. Then, he said "Goodnight" and flew away for his final flight into space before the credits. He would still need to be tried for his actions and attacks on Hackensack, NJ, and California.

-R

 

[Matt]

Don't let it happen again, you'll ruin "The Summer of George II"

I'm killing independant George!

 

[afan]

No. If you remember, Superman simply delivered Lex Luthor and Ottis to the Warden of the Prison. Then, he said "Goodnight" and flew away for his final flight into space before the credits. He would still need to be tried for his actions and attacks on Hackensack, NJ, and California.

-R

Could be, it's vague enough in details to allow divergent opinions. Mine is that they are being delivered to prison by Superman to begin serving time not to await a trial date.

 

[superbaby]

btw, wasn't lex luthor a notorious criminal in STM? that's why he hide himself underground? that's why superman could simply drop him back into the prison and the warden knew about lex luthor?

so how could lex luthor out of jail because superman didn't attend the court???

.
.
.
ya, lazy and stupid brains i guess. :P

 

[VenomsMom]

Yes...he was and the police was trying to bust him the movie bu didnt know where he hid. Anyways, like I said before, The US military should have linked Lex with the hijacked missiles when they changed the coordinates. lex also bought all that worthless desert land. Lex has made everyone out to be morons. The prosecutors,military, and police. And he will do it again in the sequel.

 

[Showtime]

I think the police, military, and prosecutors were morons in the late 70's. Now they are much more adequate.

 

[VenomsMom]

I think the police, military, and prosecutors were morons in the late 70's. Now they are much more adequate.

Yeah...but we are talking about the continuity in this Singer universe. Its only been five years ago. So it looks like they are still morons. The military and government was no where to be found or even implied that they knew there was a gigantic land mass growing off the eastern seaboard.

 

[Showtime]

Yeah...but we are talking about the continuity in this Singer universe. Its only been five years ago. So it looks like they are still morons. The military and government was no where to be found or even implied that they knew there was a gigantic land mass growing off the eastern seaboard.

I think some of those workers on the dock were undercover. They were staring at NK floating in the sky as if they had a plan.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I think you're right.... I see Zod, Doomsday, Darseid, Parasite, Metallo, Mercy, Gorilla Grodd, and Eradicator all undercover observing how Lex Luthor is doing against Superman. Good eye Showtime.

 

[Matt]

I think the police, military, and prosecutors were morons in the late 70's. Now they are much more adequate.

O.J. Simpson walks despite DNA evidence, motive, and a flee from the police.

Robert Blake's alibi was "I went into the restraunt to get my gun". He walked.

Michael Jackson was caught with kiddie porn and he was acquitted.

....Is adequate really the right word?

 

[Matt]

btw, wasn't lex luthor a notorious criminal in STM? that's why he hide himself underground? that's why superman could simply drop him back into the prison and the warden knew about lex luthor?

so how could lex luthor out of jail because superman didn't attend the court???

.
.
.
ya, lazy and stupid brains i guess. :P

As I already pointed out...

Lex was clearly convicted of a crime as the prequel comic says he was released by an APPEAL. Apparently Singer does not know what an appeal is. Appeal courts would not need Superman's testimony as they are not trials of fact but trials of procedure. Superman's original statements to the police/testimony that convicted Lex would be more than enough.

 

[superbaby]

As I already pointed out...

Lex was clearly convicted of a crime as the prequel comic says he was released by an APPEAL. Apparently Singer does not know what an appeal is. Appeal courts would not need Superman's testimony as they are not trials of fact but trials of procedure. Superman's original statements to the police/testimony that convicted Lex would be more than enough.

you are more knowlegdeable than singer!

 

[Qwerty©]

Of course, no-one has ever left out tiny details for the sake of a story before. What was Singer thinking?

 

[Matt]

Of course, no-one has ever left out tiny details for the sake of a story before. What was Singer thinking?

I'd say the entire set up for the antagonist, which puts the plot in motion is a little bigger than tiny detail. It just goes to show what a lazy film maker Singer is. You can see it in The Usual Suspects, you can see it in the X-Men movies, and you can see it in Superman Returns.

 

[C. Lee]

I'd say the entire set up for the antagonist, which puts the plot in motion is a little bigger than tiny detail. It just goes to show what a lazy film maker Singer is. You can see it in The Usual Suspects, you can see it in the X-Men movies, and you can see it in Superman Returns.

It's been a while since I saw "The Usual Suspects", less so for the X-Men movies, but I don't rememer as much crucial info left out of them as was done in SR....so I can't call him an overall lazy film maker.

 

[Matt]

It's been a while since I saw "The Usual Suspects", less so for the X-Men movies, but I don't rememer as much crucial info left out of them as was done in SR....so I can't call him an overall lazy film maker.

What I find lazy about the Usual Suspects is the way the "twist" negates the rest of the movie simply for the sake of having a twist. As for X-Men, there are a few pretty big plot holes. X-1 for example...Apparently Xavier cannot read Magneto's head to locate his headquarters, yet he possessed both Sabertooth and Toad, why not just get the information then? Little things like that.

 

[Showtime]

In regards to the X-Men Franchise, no little thing that Singer did in the first two movies even comes close to Ratner's plot crater in the 3rd X-Men.

I didn't think the twist in Usual Suspects worked out only for the sake of having a twist, but alas, I don't really like the movie as much as others.

 

[Matt]

In regards to the X-Men Franchise, no little thing that Singer did in the first two movies even comes close to Ratner's plot crater in the 3rd X-Men.

Agreed. But that does not excuse or justify Singer's inadequacies.

I didn't think the twist in Usual Suspects worked out only for the sake of having a twist, but alas, I don't really like the movie as much as others.

Sure it did. The whole plot falls apart because the motivations make no sense. The entire elaborate plot the villian set up which makes up the movie, is made pointless by the twist ending. Therefore there was really no point to watching the entire plot of the movie.

 

[C. Lee]

What I find lazy about the Usual Suspects is the way the "twist" negates the rest of the movie simply for the sake of having a twist. As for X-Men, there are a few pretty big plot holes. X-1 for example...Apparently Xavier cannot read Magneto's head to locate his headquarters, yet he possessed both Sabertooth and Toad, why not just get the information then? Little things like that.

The twist may negate much of what was shown in the movie...but it shows the genius of Spacey's character....it's one thing to say someone can think quick on his feet....it's another to show them doing it.

I will rewatch X-Men to check...but did Xavier actually know who Sabertooth and Toad were at that point and that they were working with Magneto?

 

[VenomsMom]

The twist may negate much of what was shown in the movie...but it shows the genius of Spacey's character....it's one thing to say someone can think quick on his feet....it's another to show them doing it.

I will rewatch X-Men to check...but did Xavier actually know who Sabertooth and Toad were at that point and that they were working with Magneto?

I think they figured that out when they had the first confrontation with Sabretooth's attack on Rogue and Wolverine. They knew who he worked for.