Sequels The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

[Super Kal]

who knows what they were thinking... I guess they wanted to play it safe, and I think that's what hurt them in the long run

 

[Nightwing1977]

it is the WB's fault for putting their trust in a man that can't get out of the 70's

I think he can get out of the 70s if he do a sequel & use his own vision than using another Donner's homage. If he can do that with the sequel beside more action & better story, I'm all for it.

 

[nintendo nerd]

who knows what they were thinking... I guess they wanted to play it safe, and I think that's what hurt them in the long run

Yes. But spending 230 - 250 million on the first film of a possible franchise its way too much. Look at Spider - man 1, I think it cost 130 million. And BB 150 million and they look pretty good. Why SR cost that much is beyond me.

 

[Showtime]

What the hell does Singer doing SR has to do with Flash & WW not being made? Both Goyer & Whedon left on their own. Singer's SR has nothing to do with it. I can't help but laugh at people thinking Singer deserve to be blame for everything. Sorry, but Flash & WW not being made is just the 2 men I mention left on their own. Singer has nothing to do with it. Personally, I'm glad Goyer left Flash. He was going to direct it & I didn't want him to pull another "Blade: Trinity". His script is good when a talent director make some change to it as we saw what Nolan did. That why Nolan's brother did the script for TDK instead of Goyer. Goyer just wrote the story & not the script like he did with BB this time.

Goyer and Whendon did not leave on their own, it is not as cut and dry as that. The scripts that were submitted for their respective characters, Flash & WW, were too gritty and dark according to WB. They didn't want this type of take on either character so the two sides "parted ways", "creative differences". You may think this has nothing to do with Singer, but it was WB's reaction to Superman Returns not living up to in house projections. WB does not want to continue their superhero movies with this type of realistic tone, except for Batman, who is one of the heroes that warrants this treatment. This is why you are going to see a more fun and fantastical JLA.

 

[Showtime]

Yes. But spending 230 - 250 million on the first film of a possible franchise its way too much. Look at Spider - man 1, I think it cost 130 million. And BB 150 million and they look pretty good. Why SR cost that much is beyond me.

Singer brought some of the cast back for reshoots, left money on the editing floor, and built wasteful sets that didn't see the light of day.

 

[nintendo nerd]

Singer brought some of the cast back for reshoots, left money on the editing floor, and built wasteful sets that didn't see the light of day.

Just look at the RTK scene. 10 million on a scene we didn't even see. Most Mexican movies cost half of that.

If there's a sequel I hope we get to see that scene.

 

[mego joe]

for christ sake how many times do we have to say that the budget of BB was 150 milions and not 200 milions.

IN assessing potential and popularity you are not going to simply look at profit from the first film. YOu can budget whatever you want for a second film. If SR only cost 150 do you think it would already have a sequel in production?

My point is simply this, while the end result for the studios is profit, it is not the only factor. Whether SR only cost 150 or grossed 500, WB is seeing a lack of potential. THey could certainly churn out a sequel for 170, but that still has nothing to do with the fact that the POTENTIAL of an SR sequel is in question, whether it costs 150 or 200.

 

[Showtime]

Just look at the RTK scene. 10 million on a scene we didn't even see. Most Mexican movies cost half of that.

If there's a sequel I hope we get to see that scene.

Bullet to the Eye: 2.3 Million.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I like how a scene costs more money than Routh's actual paycheck...lol.

 

[nintendo nerd]

I like how a scene costs more money than Routh's actual paycheck...lol.

Really? Wow. I thought it was 1 million.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

No I remember posting the article I am pretty positive he get way less than a million but he has a contract for the sequels and playing Superman alone probably sent a ton of movie scripts his way.

 

[A.X.L]

Sanchez from IESB chimes in...

Until he can spell he is not worth considering

 

[nintendo nerd]

No I remember posting the article I am pretty positive he get way less than a million but he has a contract for the sequels and playing Superman alone probably sent a ton of movie scripts his way.

And that bullet to eye cost 2.3 million? And its not even that spectacular. In fact, i found it kind of boring.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yep one of the benefits of casting an unknown as the lead you get em cheap.

 

[nintendo nerd]

Yep one of the benefits of casting an unknown as the lead you get em cheap.

The same happened with Reeve in STM and S2.

 

[Super Kal]

I think he can get out of the 70s if he do a sequel & use his own vision than using another Donner's homage. If he can do that with the sequel beside more action & better story, I'm all for it.

I personally don't think so... he's stuck too much on pleasing Donner than he is the fans.

Don't get me wrong, Donner's movies will always be the best, but you gotta move on to bigger and better things, and I don't think Singer knows how to do that

 

[blueboy]

Just to throw my 2 cents in. People been saying that Supes made more than bats overall. While Supes made more worldwide, in the domestic part of the world, Batman made a bit more money.

You also have to take into account that Batman had a lot more against it as far as those awful sequels. The peoples trust had to be regained and from the looks of it, The Dark Knight should top Batman Begins figures in the long run.

 

[A.X.L]

Plus Batman made a hell of a better profit for WB - DVD sales alone were much higher than SR.

 

[Super Kal]

plus BB had more action to grab the general audience's attention

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Just to throw my 2 cents in. People been saying that Supes made more than bats overall. While Supes made more worldwide, in the domestic part of the world, Batman made a bit more money.

You also have to take into account that Batman had a lot more against it as far as those awful sequels. The peoples trust had to be regained and from the looks of it, The Dark Knight should top Batman Begins figures in the long run.

When you factor in budget, marketing, etc. Batman Begins made more profit overall period.

 

[blueboy]

When you factor in budget, marketing, etc. Batman Begins made more profit overall period.

Exactly... While I'm not trying to get into it with the hardcore Superman fans, I just wanted to throw that out there since they seem to think Superman was more profitable than Batman Begins period.

I think while Superman is indeed a popular figure like the rest of the heroes, he is no longer the most popular comic book character for todays generation. I don't think he was the most popular in the 90s either.

It seems like the character may have to go through a revamp of some sorts to pull in Spiderman numbers, if that's what they're going for.

 

[blueboy]

1 more thing. Singer knows how to make movies, that's for sure. But I think he might be the wrong director for superman just because he'll inject so much of his own personal beliefs into the character. While there is nothing wrong with a director doing that, Singers outlook on life doesn't fit the Superman character in my opinion.

 

[Juice2020]

Good. Now if Singer step down, the movie may actually be decent.

 

[Juice2020]

1 more thing. Singer knows how to make movies, that's for sure. But I think he might be the wrong director for superman just because he'll inject so much of his own personal beliefs into the character. While there is nothing wrong with a director doing that, Singers outlook on life doesn't fit the Superman character in my opinion.

Yea he tried to make Superman into Jesus Christ.

 

[blueboy]

Yea he tried to make Superman into Jesus Christ.

I can't even begin to tell you how many people rolled their eyes at that imagery.