Sequels The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

[Darth Rockwell]

now we need to get rid of singer

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I think the only reason why SR is hated is because it doesn't have wall to wall action. Personally I love the film and find it to be a great piece of art on the big screen.

But in any case, my guess is they'll probably do a complete restart of Supermans origins and include mindless action so fanboys can be happy.

LOL, ever hear of balancing both action and story? Spider-Man 2 anyone? NO ONE is asking for wall to wall action.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

It would be incredibly easy to get Superman off the ground without retelling the origin or continuing from Singer's film.

How do you market the film though? People will be confused, is it a continuation of Singer's story or a reboot or something else? etc... This needs to be made clear in the advertising.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

LOL, ever hear of balancing both action and story? Spider-Man 2 anyone? NO ONE is asking for wall to wall action.

Yes, A LOT of fanboys are asking for wall to wall action. None of them ever talk about the story itself, but rather who is Superman fighting and how come he's not punching anything.

You have some fans who HATE Spider-Man 2, simply because according to them the action was too short and not enough of it. I have no problems with Singers Superman except that he tried to recreate Donners version. Had Donner's version not existed and this was just Singers film? Then it wouldn't be an issue now.

But overall I thought the film gave a new perspective on Superman. I loved how dark the story was, loved how Luthor became vicious towards the end, and loved how beautiful the flight sequences looked on the big screen. In any case what's done is done and it's time to move forward.

 

[Motown Marvel]

if the boys OPTED to leave, then im sure singer will stick around. if they were actually fired, then im not so sure he will. i hope he stays though, and i hope he does a sequel. i really dont think WB is gonna do a re-start anytime soon. im not buying that part of the article.

 

[Jlandsw]

I think we all want to pitch in our ideas t:

But seriously it's not impossible. I remember reading somewhere that a guy who posted at ( i think) AICN had once written a script and it was brought under WB's attention. They liked it so much that they bought it. Dunno if they went ahead to use it as a script for the next superman sequel ( this btw is development hell period before SR) and ultimately decided it çouldn't work or they simply didn't use it

How much time do you think I would have to write a basic script outline to get the WB's attention because I really want to do this.

 

[Showtime]

How do you market the film though? People will be confused, is it a continuation of Singer's story or a reboot or something else? etc... This needs to be made clear in the advertising.

Heh Heh.

Nobody is going to get confused. It is easily marketable, people just want to be entertained. This movie would be coming out between 2010-2012, you just tell a Superman story. You make it clear Superman has been here before, you don't step on what's been done but you don't bring it forward either. It's not difficult.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Yes, A LOT of fanboys are asking for wall to wall action. None of them ever talk about the story itself, but rather who is Superman fighting and how come he's not punching anything.

You have some fans who HATE Spider-Man 2, simply because according to them the action was too short and not enough of it. I have no problems with Singers Superman except that he tried to recreate Donners version. Had Donner's version not existed and this was just Singers film? Then it wouldn't be an issue now.

But overall I thought the film gave a new perspective on Superman. I loved how dark the story was, loved how Luthor became vicious towards the end, and loved how beautiful the flight sequences looked on the big screen. In any case what's done is done and it's time to move forward.

Well, to be honest with you, I'm on these SR boards a lot and I have never read anyone write that they want "wall to wall action". But if you have seen that, so be it. I've heard people say they want Superman fighting someone or punching something but does that equal "wall to wall action"? I wouldn't think so. But I agree with moving forward, I'm tired of real estate Lex, lets move on from him.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Heh Heh.

Nobody is going to get confused. It is easily marketable, people just want to be entertained. This movie would be coming out between 2010-2012, you just tell a Superman story. You make it clear Superman has been here before, you don't step on what's been done but you don't bring it forward either. It's not difficult.

Then you need to recast Superman, would you agree? Because to have Routh back, how can one not think it has to do with Singer's film?

 

[Showtime]

Then you need to recast Superman, would you agree? Because to have Routh back, how can one not think it has to do with Singer's film?

Certainly. Entire new cast. You can't carry Routh forward if that was what you were refering too previously. If you are telling a different story in a different movie universe, you can't use the same actors. General public would definately be confused.

 

[nintendo nerd]

Last night I watched SR again, after 6 months. I tried to see the film without my love for it beat my way of thinking. I realized there were many flaws with it, flaws that didn't make it attractive to the audience, flaws that sometimes made it boring, flaws that sometimes made it look like it wasn't a Superman movie. This is all my opinion:

Good things about SR:

- William theme ( Fits Superman perfect )

- The plane rescue scene.

- The lift of New Krypton

- The speech of Superman to Jason at the end of the movie.

- Superman flying to receive the rays from the Sun.

Bad thing about SR:

- The movie most of the time feels depressing.

- The lack of lines for Superman ( Routh did a great job with his face expressions, but is not enough) He is not Batman. Superman talks a lot.

- After the plane rescue scene, theres like an hour that feels really boring.

- The scene where Superman gets shot in the eye, should've been spectacular, it's not. In fact it feel kind of forced.

- Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane doesn't work. She looks too young and I never felt I was looking at Lois Lane in her. Bad casting desicion by Singer. I don't know why Keri Russell didn't stay.

Too Many, many "homages" to STM. Which makes the movie feel dated and feel like you watched almost the same 30 years ago.

- The budget was way too big for the story. IMO you didn't need 200 million to make SR.


In conclusion:

SR is a good movie but it wasn't great as most of the people expected. STM was a great movie but there's great material on the comic books.
And Singer just ignored it. That wasn't a good decision.

What I don't like is that many people only blame Singer. What about WB ? They approved the project. They knew it was too similar to STM, they knew it lacked action, they knew Superman wouldn't talk much.

After this, I don't mind Harris and Doughery leaving, I think I wouldn't mind If Singer leaves too, either.

One thing I'm sure of, is that Routh was a great Superman. Watching him on SR, always brings a smile on my face. Whatever happens with this franchise, I hope Routh could play the man of steel again.

 

[Super Kal]

he ignored a lot of things

 

[Showtime]

The problem with the "action story" in Superman Returns was that the biggest action piece comes at the end of what can be considered the 1st act. The plane rescue was breathtaking in my opinion, and one of the best sequences in comicbook movie history. That being said, when you're a writer or a director, it's your responsibility to escalate the action from there, which never happened in SR. That was one of the biggest problems with the action story in Superman Returns. You feature a menacing Supervillian going into the 2nd and 3rd act, the sequel is already greenlit.

 

[matrix_ghost]

How much time do you think I would have to write a basic script outline to get the WB's attention because I really want to do this.

IMO won't work. If you're really that passionate write a whole script and send it to WB. I know it sound silly to do that but given the fact that you're essentially just someone who browses on forums etc , you can't afford to write a plot outline. That's something directors can afford.

If you think you have it in you , write a script and send it to WB.

 

[matrix_ghost]

The problem with the "action story" in Superman Returns was that the biggest action piece comes at the end of what can be considered the 1st act. The plane rescue was breathtaking in my opinion, and one of the best sequences in comicbook movie history. That being said, when you're a writer or a director, it's your responsibility to escalate the action from there, which never happened in SR. That was one of the biggest problems with the action story in Superman Returns. You feature a menacing Supervillian going into the 2nd and 3rd act, the sequel is already greenlit.

Exactly

 

[Showtime]

IMO won't work. If you're really that passionate write a whole script and send it to WB. I know it sound silly to do that but given the fact that you're essentially just someone who browses on forums etc , you can't afford to write a plot outline. That's something directors can afford.

If you think you have it in you , write a script and send it to WB.

It is not as simple as that, trust me. It usually doesn't get you anywhere to send an unsolicited script to a studio. There are steps to take.

 

[Showtime]

(y)

What does that mean?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Last night I watched SR again, after 6 months. I tried to see the film without my love for it beat my way of thinking. I realized there were many flaws with it, flaws that didn't make it attractive to the audience, flaws that sometimes made it boring, flaws that sometimes made it look like it wasn't a Superman movie. This is all my opinion:

Good things about SR:

- William theme ( Fits Superman perfect )

- The plane rescue scene.

- The lift of New Krypton

- The speech of Superman to Jason at the end of the movie.

- Superman flying to receive the rays from the Sun.

Bad thing about SR:

- The movie most of the time feels depressing.

- The lack of lines for Superman ( Routh did a great job with his face expressions, but is not enough) He is not Batman. Superman talks a lot.

- After the plane rescue scene, theres like an hour that feels really boring.

- The scene where Superman gets shot in the eye, should've been spectacular, it's not. In fact it feel kind of forced.

- Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane doesn't work. She looks too young and I never felt I was looking at Lois Lane in her. Bad casting desicion by Singer. I don't know why Keri Russell didn't stay.

Too Many, many "homages" to STM. Which makes the movie feel dated and feel like you watched almost the same 30 years ago.

- The budget was way too big for the story. IMO you didn't need 200 million to make SR.


In conclusion:

SR is a good movie but it wasn't great as most of the people expected. STM was a great movie but there's great material on the comic books.
And Singer just ignored it. That wasn't a good decision.

What I don't like is that many people only blame Singer. What about WB ? They approved the project. They knew it was too similar to STM, they knew it lacked action, they knew Superman wouldn't talk much.

After this, I don't mind Harris and Doughery leaving, I think I wouldn't mind If Singer leaves too, either.

One thing I'm sure of, is that Routh was a great Superman. Watching him on SR, always brings a mile on my face. Whatever happens with this franchise, I hope Routh could play the man of steel again.

Excellent post, that was very fair of you, considering how much you like the movie. I agree WB needs to take just a big a hit as Singer and his writers do. They(WB) knew what they were getting themselves into.

 

[matrix_ghost]

What does that mean?

That should've been the thumbs up smilie

 

[Showtime]

That should've been the thumbs up smilie

You scared me!

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Certainly. Entire new cast. You can't carry Routh forward if that was what you were refering too previously. If you are telling a different story in a different movie universe, you can't use the same actors. General public would definately be confused.

I would say the only thing that is holding WB back from canning Singer's franchise in its entirety is Routh. A lot of people liked Routh(myself included) so they are a bit torn. But at the end of the day, IMO, I feel he will not be enough and they will just start a new franchise with a new continuity.

 

[matrix_ghost]

It is not as simple as that, trust me. It usually doesn't get you anywhere to send an unsolicited script to a studio. There are steps to take.

Of course there are. But that doesn't mean you need to be put off by that. Writing something is already a step in the right direction. I know Hollywood is difficult to get into but it can be done.

I'm still searching for that story of some random dude who's superman script got bought by WB

 

[dark_b]

Heh Heh.

Nobody is going to get confused. It is easily marketable, people just want to be entertained. This movie would be coming out between 2010-2012, you just tell a Superman story. You make it clear Superman has been here before, you don't step on what's been done but you don't bring it forward either. It's not difficult.

thats not true showtime. transformers had a deep sory and it bombed.
i mean transformers had a deep story and it made milions.

sorry i forgot......transformers was a funny action movie with big robots fighting and it made milions. so i agree with you. peopel want to be entertained. i will now always use TF as an example. people will use SR as an example that the only reason it didnt make money was because the story sucked. i think this is not corect. when it comes down action is waht matter in summer IMO. it has to be fun and it has to have action....they want to be entertained. and if you invest 200 milions and if you dont have an event epic movie ...then the stuidio failed IMO.

 

[aroundthefur33]

all new cast and a freaking reboot like batman...because sick of the donnerverse i am, i still think they screwed superman returns right the F*** up!

 

[dark_b]

The problem with the "action story" in Superman Returns was that the biggest action piece comes at the end of what can be considered the 1st act. The plane rescue was breathtaking in my opinion, and one of the best sequences in comicbook movie history. That being said, when you're a writer or a director, it's your responsibility to escalate the action from there, which never happened in SR. That was one of the biggest problems with the action story in Superman Returns. You feature a menacing Supervillian going into the 2nd and 3rd act, the sequel is already greenlit.

showtime i dont want to suck up to you but sometimes it makes me angry that you are so right. when will you writte somthing where we dont agree with you?
sorry but you are to perfect......we need to give you dark colors and a jason(kid) t:
so i agree with your post 100%. a supervillain with good action scenes would greenlight the sequel.