Sequels The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

[RedIsNotBlue]

Exactly... While I'm not trying to get into it with the hardcore Superman fans, I just wanted to throw that out there since they seem to think Superman was more profitable than Batman Begins period.

I think while Superman is indeed a popular figure like the rest of the heroes, he is no longer the most popular comic book character for todays generation. I don't think he was the most popular in the 90s either.

It seems like the character may have to go through a revamp of some sorts to pull in Spiderman numbers, if that's what they're going for.

Yeah and its not like SR bombed but it really disappointed and failed to meet the expectations WB had for it I think that is safe to say. And while I enjoy the darkness of characters (which is probably why I love characters like Batman, The Punisher, etc. more) Superman Returns was way too gloomy IMO. The need to lighten it up a bit more not necessarily with humor or jokey Otis type moments but just moments where you don't make you feel depressed.

With that said I really can't stress how much I want to see a Singer Superman movie where he actually draws his inspiration from the comics rather than past film and television.

 

[SymbioteKal-El]

I can't even begin to tell you how many people rolled their eyes at that imagery.

Let me ask, have they rolled their eyes at the COUNTLESS times its been done in the comics?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Oh yeah, poor WB. Singer was probably pointing a gun at Horn to give him 230 million dollars. For a movie that lacks action and a Super villian. Singer of course is responsible for a lot of things. But WB is as responsible for green lighting this project and give Singer all that money.

I agree. WB is just as much to blame as Singer is for those that did not like the movie.

What the hell does Singer doing SR has to do with Flash & WW not being made? Both Goyer & Whedon left on their own. Singer's SR has nothing to do with it. I can't help but laugh at people thinking Singer deserve to be blame for everything. Sorry, but Flash & WW not being made is just the 2 men I mention left on their own. Singer has nothing to do with it. Personally, I'm glad Goyer left Flash. He was going to direct it & I didn't want him to pull another "Blade: Trinity". His script is good when a talent director make some change to it as we saw what Nolan did. That why Nolan's brother did the script for TDK instead of Goyer. Goyer just wrote the story & not the script like he did with BB this time.

Singer has a lot more to do with it than you think. WB saw the results of SR and panicked and pretty much canceled all other solo superhero projects with the exception of Batman. WB feels that if a solo Superman can't tear up the BO, then what solo superhero movie can? Plus, like Showtime said, seeing as how serious and dark the tone was for Flash and WW(similar in ways to SR) this really made WB nervous, they are not taking chances like that again. Perhaps just for Batman and that's it.

So from here on out, I would expect "lighter" superhero movies out of WB(with the exception of Batman). Which doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing as long as it doesn't get campy or silly.

Just look at the RTK scene. 10 million on a scene we didn't even see. Most Mexican movies cost half of that.

LOL

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Bullet to the Eye: 2.3 Million.

2.3 million for that scene?!?!? That is mind boggling and kinda sad. It wasn't even that great. I thought it was ok.

 

[A.X.L]

That eye scene was ....meh.

 

[Showtime]

Routh had actually finished shooting I believe, and Singer brought him back to add the bullet to the eye scene, which cost 2.3 million. This was Singer's answer to lack of action.

 

[shieldshero]

This is great news. . . the writing for 'Returns' sucked big time! When will the studios realise that the script is everything, and the big budget effects come second or third? just look at the dialogue/story for spider-man 3 also, ruined the Franchise (imo)

My only concern now is, as much as I loved Routh as a casting choice, I think the next film has to be done from scratch, as an origin story. . . This means even the fans may find it a little off having Routh in the part. After we get a new supes for JLA, the solo film may be shelved in favour of a spin off starring the new superman actor?. . .

 

[dark_b]

Routh had actually finished shooting I believe, and Singer brought him back to add the bullet to the eye scene, which cost 2.3 million. This was Singer's answer to lack of action.

and it was filmed with brandon on the set. then on the other hand some people are saying that it is 100% CGI. retroman posted the footage with greenscreen.

i am confused.

answer to lack of action.........hahahhahahahahahah singer stop it hahhahahahhhaha t:

 

[Showtime]

and it was filmed with brandon on the set. then on the other hand some people are saying that it is 100% CGI. retroman posted the footage with greenscreen.

i am confused.

answer to lack of action.........hahahhahahahahahah singer stop it hahhahahahhhaha t:

100% CGI? The bullet was CGI I believe and maybe the shot of them looking down could have been, but they had to shoot this scene. It ended up being the last scene Brandon shot.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

This is great news. . . the writing for 'Returns' sucked big time! When will the studios realise that the script is everything, and the big budget effects come second or third? just look at the dialogue/story for spider-man 3 also, ruined the Franchise (imo)

In fairness to SR, the dialogue was never cheesy like SM3.

My only concern now is, as much as I loved Routh as a casting choice, I think the next film has to be done from scratch, as an origin story. . . This means even the fans may find it a little off having Routh in the part. After we get a new supes for JLA, the solo film may be shelved in favour of a spin off starring the new superman actor?. . .

I bet WB is leaning very heavily in this direction.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

100% CGI? The bullet was CGI I believe and maybe the shot of them looking down could have been, but they had to shoot this scene. It ended up being the last scene Brandon shot.

Yup, Brandon was def there. I remember the pic WB used to submit to the Academy Awards "For your consideration". It was Brandon sitting, with Singer standing behind him filming that scene.

 

[El Payaso]

Yea he tried to make Superman into Jesus Christ.

Donner did that 30 years ago. And Siegel and Shuster tried too 78 years ago.

 

[dark_b]

100% CGI? The bullet was CGI I believe and maybe the shot of them looking down could have been, but they had to shoot this scene. It ended up being the last scene Brandon shot.

well i remember that someone said that they then replaced the real footage with CGI footage.

 

[Showtime]

well i remember that someone said that they then replaced the real footage with CGI footage.

That is what happens when you drink too much.

 

[dark_b]

That is what happens when you drink too much.

t:

 

[Super Kal]

100% CGI? The bullet was CGI I believe and maybe the shot of them looking down could have been, but they had to shoot this scene. It ended up being the last scene Brandon shot.

the bullet and the other side of Brandon's face was all CGI

 

[Grinder]

Brandon shot that scene! It's on the DVD (making of SR) the only thing CGI was the bullet and the some small parts like his eye/face.

And yes, WB canceled the other projects because of the dark tones and SR's crappy BO. That was right back in the summer 06, shortly after the Pirates blew SR away and left it hanging with something like $150 million. (Pretty much all of the domestic BO came from the first 2 weeks, the rest was collected over 5 more months! Doesn't sound like a success to me.)
Goyer and Whedon just couldn't talk about it till months after that decision, if I remember correctly.

OK, Singer isn't the only one to blame, Peters and whoever else produced this rotten pile are just as much to blame. Which is kinda frightening, 'cause those dudes will likely have a shot at it again and I think we know what Peters is like ...
They should give the project to another producer. I mean, how many times did Peters fail with this now? There were so many tries and the final result disappointed the studio. Why is this guy still in charge of Superman movies!?

 

[X-Maniac]

Donner did that 30 years ago. And Siegel and Shuster tried too 78 years ago.

Sounds like a good reason NOT to be doing it yet again!

 

[Showtime]

the bullet and the other side of Brandon's face was all CGI

Right. Not 100% CGI.

 

[Dark Knight]

Why is it so unrealistic? Superman is probably the most popular superhero in the world. With the right combination of a compelling story, ground breaking action and a great villain to fight, a Superman movie could pull in HUGE numbers.

Very unrealistic.....especially since they are the ones that greenlit a Superman movie with no big time villians and a Superman film that lacked big time action......

I guess they bear no responsiblity huh? Come on...

 

[buggs0268]

What the hell does Singer doing SR has to do with Flash & WW not being made? Both Goyer & Whedon left on their own. Singer's SR has nothing to do with it. I can't help but laugh at people thinking Singer deserve to be blame for everything. Sorry, but Flash & WW not being made is just the 2 men I mention left on their own. Singer has nothing to do with it. Personally, I'm glad Goyer left Flash. He was going to direct it & I didn't want him to pull another "Blade: Trinity". His script is good when a talent director make some change to it as we saw what Nolan did. That why Nolan's brother did the script for TDK instead of Goyer. Goyer just wrote the story & not the script like he did with BB this time.

And FlawlessVictory, I blame Fox for Singer leaving X-Men. I think he wanted a break after X2, but Fox wanted a new one right away. They wouldn't even give him more money for the first film (which cost $75 millions). That why it was very short & that they couldn't use both Beast and Blob. Singer shouldn't leave X-Men, but Fox probably put pressure on him that he couldn't stand of them anymore. You should've explain me a little more clearer on you talking about he ruin X-Men in term of movies, not leaving it.

The studio initially wanted darker takes on the characters, that is why they hired Nolan and Goyer to develop. Everything was going fine till SR came out. Then they started reading fan criticism and that is about when Goyer and Wheddon started turning in their first drafts and the studio wanted them to lighten the tone, which is different from what they were originally told. Goyer specifically even stated this (the studio all of a sudden wanting him to lighten the tone, while Wheddon glossed over it. Both finally came out with the fact that they were off the project about 6 months to a year after SR left the B.O.

 

[buggs0268]

Singer brought some of the cast back for reshoots, left money on the editing floor, and built wasteful sets that didn't see the light of day.

Yep. He also actually decided to shoot the entire script and assemble a first edit with the fill script, and then to make his cuts, instead of what most directors do. Most directors on set see which scenes they don't need, which scenes they can merge, and write bridging scenes. They also start assembling a rough cut earlier to see how the film is working so they can decide to cut scenes that they want to change out of the schedule, so that set is not built, so they can come up with new, better scenes to fill in it's place. So Singer really screwed the pooch that way.

 

[buggs0268]

Drexx,

"Lol, what was the ounce of logic behind this gem? You don't make 400 million (do I even need to mention how HUGE that is?) without being immensely popular amongst the crowd. If the film was crap, it would have dropped significantly. Plain and simple."

Episode I made 431 million dollars. I love the film but would you call that film popular amongst audiences, Drexx?

It made most of it's money in the first week and a half. After that, it crawled for 5 months to it's final domestic tally. AS far as foreign markets, it did the same thing and was reported in the trades. It had a strong opening weekend, then it was completely week on the second week, and by the third it was gone. So yes, it did to really bad.

 

[buggs0268]

If a studio doesn't think a sequel is going to make money, then they move slowly. Core fan base can be yelling and screaming, but if the 1st film made money then you can bet a sequel will be soon to follow.

It's money.

Your forgetting one thing too. The exhibitors have to want to play it in their theaters. The studios have to sell it to them too. And if they didn't turn what they thought they were on the first one, then they are a big factor in the studio deciding against a sequel too. You have to have a place to play your movie to make money off of it.

 

[Showtime]

Your forgetting one thing too. The exhibitors have to want to play it in their theaters. The theaters have to sell it to them too. And if they didn't turn what they thought they were on the first one, then they are a big factor in the studio deciding against a sequel too. You have to have a place to play your movie to make money off of it.

That all comes down to the same bottomline, so to speak, money. If the movie was a hit at the box office, then it was a hit at theaters thus leading to the studio and theaters making...MONEY.