The Dark Knight The Official Plot holes thread.

[Zero_Vault]

This movie is like the movie Saw.

A social experiment to prove the "self-fish" motivation of man-kind.

What's the point? What's the point of this film? What's the point of Joker?

**** this film.

 

[Anita18]

A boat full of hardened criminals?

Everyone decides to stay calm. Really.You actually buy that. That's like a prison riot with 5 people.

Maybe, since Nolan's British, criminals in England are more well-behaved.

In terms of behavior, depends what kind of criminals they were. Since they were all involved in Dent's corruption trial work, you can assume they were most likely drug dealers and the like. Maaaybe hitmen. But not like, mass murderers and crazed robbers.

The believability of that scene and the outcome wholly depends on your view of humanity. My sister, a sociology major who's interviewed death row wardens and visited a maximum security prison herself (class trip ), said that the scene where the prisoner throws the detonator out the window was her favorite. I knew it was going to be, after I saw the film the first time.

 

[Zero_Vault]

Yeah, I liked that scene too.

But all the rest leading up to the point, detached my suspension of disbelief, as how atrocious and senile and ******ed all the characters were.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

In terms of behavior, depends what kind of criminals they were. Since they were all involved in Dent's corruption trial work, you can assume they were most likely drug dealers and the like. Maaaybe hitmen. But not like, mass murderers and crazed robbers.

When did it say they were Dent's prosecutions on the boat?

As someone with a cousin on death row, they scene was played for emotional impact because the audience expects the criminals to be the lesser humans. I'm not saying they should have blown one of them up, but it was an exaggerated emotional scene,imo.

 

[Mrs.J]

This movie is like the movie Saw.

A social experiment to prove the "self-fish" motivation of man-kind.

What's the point? What's the point of this film? What's the point of Joker?

**** this film.

If it were medieval times--id cast the first stone

 

[I Am The Knight]

If it were medieval times--id cast the first stone

Can I play too?

 

[jackjack924]

If it were medieval times--id cast the first stone

'The Lottery' style...

 

[Anita18]

When did it say they were Dent's prosecutions on the boat?

When Gordon has that conversation with the Mayor. He says he needs to move prisoners to a ferry so that Dent's work won't be undone if they all die. The Mayor asks where Harvey is. Gordon says they don't know, then the Mayor asks how long they can keep that a secret.

 

[Mrs.J]

if we did it Lottery style that means that anyone of us could be stoned


i dont know if im down with that........

 

[[A]]

the entire thread

not to mention that there's no way Batman had enough time to apply the black make-up around his eyes!!!1 oh this movie is a mess!!!<<
haha.. oh well

 

[jackjack924]

if we did it Lottery style that means that anyone of us could be stoned


i dont know if im down with that........

This is very true.
Unless it was rigged.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

This movie is like the movie Saw.

A social experiment to prove the "self-fish" motivation of man-kind.

What's the point? What's the point of this film? What's the point of Joker?

**** this film.

you obviously didnt understand the film, therefor.........you smell of poo!

 

[Mrs.J]

This is very true.
Unless it was rigged.

yes-----rigged........i like you way of thinking sir!!!!

 

[Fitzwilliam]

So, now that Batman's on the run as a cop-killer, won't the cops be putting the heat on Reese to reveal his identity?

Isn't that a plot hole?

 

[Mrs.J]

Do you really think Reese would say anything after everyone tried to kill him--even a cop?
Also--Gordon is commish now---i doubt he will let any of that happen---he knows the really story---he wouldnt let anything compromise Batman's identity.

 

["V"]

A couple of things, and I'm probably being dense...

How did Batman get into the interrogation room? There was a door behind Joker, but wouldn't someone have noticed him going through it or the sound - and why didn't Gordon try and get through it when Batman blocked off the other entrance with the chair? From his dialogue it sounds as though Gordon has only just arrived, but he must know Batman is in there already ("Not exactly...) It's a class scene and obviously just ignores these logistics for dramatic effect.

Second, why did the mob give Joker half of the money? It's suggested early on that he wants it for killing the Batman (even though he doesn't really want that) but he doesn't kill him, so why do the mob give it to him?

 

[The Battousai]

[quote="V";15388564]A couple of things, and I'm probably being dense...

How did Batman get into the interrogation room? There was a door behind Joker, but wouldn't someone have noticed him going through it or the sound[/QUOTE]

It would seem that Batman was there even before Joker was put in the room.

- and why didn't Gordon try and get through it when Batman blocked off the other entrance with the chair?

Did you miss the cut to Gordon rushing to the door to open it before Batman barricaded it? And then when he got to the door and couldn't budge it?

From his dialogue it sounds as though Gordon has only just arrived, but he must know Batman is in there already ("Not exactly...) It's a class scene and obviously just ignores these logistics for dramatic effect.

Gordon apparently planned it out the little trick with Batman beforehand.

Second, why did the mob give Joker half of the money? It's suggested early on that he wants it for killing the Batman (even though he doesn't really want that) but he doesn't kill him, so why do the mob give it to him?

When he got Lau to tell him the location, the mob guys allowed him his own share.

Although, since it wasn't split amongst anyone yet, he ended up burning the mob's entire funds. "I'm only burning my half." is funny because of this.

 

[joke]

[quote="V";15388564]Second, why did the mob give Joker half of the money? It's suggested early on that he wants it for killing the Batman (even though he doesn't really want that) but he doesn't kill him, so why do the mob give it to him?[/quote]
He got the location from Lau.

 

[Mrs.J]

ok----from what i get from the movie--They all know that Batman is in there except for the Joker. Through out the entire movie--Batman is allowed to be there amongst them--the empty vault at the beginning etc etc
So i figured he was lurking there until Gordon arrived and everyone knew this. Thats why they switched the lights and they weren't suprised by his presence.

As for the money---I though they gave the Joker half because he brought Lau to them--because it was Lau who gave all the other mobsters up to Harvey.


****The Battousal--When he got Lau to tell him the location, the mob guys allowed him his own share.

forgot that important part

 

["V"]

It would seem that Batman was there even before Joker was put in the room.

Yeah, but if that's the case, how did he have a discussion with Gordan beforehand?! Because the MCU had been interrogating Joker before Gordan arrived, so how could Batman get in there before the MCU, Joker AND still talk to Gordan? And if he was there beforehand, we didn't he rough up Joker until after Gordan showed up?

Did you miss the cut to Gordon rushing to the door to open it before Batman barricaded it? And then when he got to the door and couldn't budge it?

No, you misunderstood me. There are two doors in the room; one in front of Joker - which Batman blocks off - and one behind him. So I was saying why didn't they attempt to get in the room from that door?

Gordon apparently planned it out the little trick with Batman beforehand.

This is what I assumed, but again, how did Batman sneak in the room without anyone hearing it?

When he got Lau to tell him the location, the mob guys allowed him his own share.

Obviously he got Lau to tell him where the location was (and he shared it with Maroni/Cechen) but did the 'deal' between Joker and the mob change? Originally it's set up as he'll kill Batman, but he doesn't. Does it somehow change to 'Get Lau and our money back for us?'

Although, since it wasn't split amongst anyone yet, he ended up burning the mob's entire funds. "I'm only burning my half." is funny because of this.

Yeah, I understand how he got to money (that's why he got Lau) but couldn't understand why Cechen was going to let him have half when he didn't kill the Batman. I can't remember a scene where they say to get Lau back and they'll give him half?

 

[Anita18]

[QUOTE="V";15388651]Yeah, I understand how he got to money (that's why he got Lau) but couldn't understand why Cechen was going to let him have half when he didn't kill the Batman. I can't remember a scene where they say to get Lau back and they'll give him half?[/QUOTE]
The Chechen wasn't going to let him have half...or...something. I guess he was just happy to see the money back. And then got pissed off when Joker went to burn it.

 

[The_Raganork]

Well considering that Lau had the money; was caught by batman, and then was going to testify against the police; I think Joker does them a favor by getting Lau back.


Plus if Joker said; I'll take my half now; with only you there would you say: No?


PLUS no where is it said that Joker gets the money under the condition that he kills Batman.

"We HIRE the clown"

So I'm assuming the half was a pay first kind of thing.

 

[I Am The Knight]

So, now that Batman's on the run as a cop-killer, won't the cops be putting the heat on Reese to reveal his identity?

Isn't that a plot hole?

Well it's not a plot hole if it hasn't happened yet.

The Chechen

I thought it was "The Checken" ... Anyone know?

 

[The_Raganork]

Well it's not a plot hole if it hasn't happened yet.



I thought it was "The Checken" ... Anyone know?

Chechen

 

["V"]

Well considering that Lau had the money; was caught by batman, and then was going to testify against the police; I think Joker does them a favor by getting Lau back.

Yeah, he does technically do them a favour (even though he burns it all), but is this what they actually hired him to do? To get Lau back? I can't remember it being stated anywhere?

Plus if Joker said; I'll take my half now; with only you there would you say: No?

Actually, this is an interesting thing, because I was thinking "I'd double cross him" which is what Maroni actually does when he gives him up to Gordan. Joker just unknowingly counters it by threatening to kill Reese.

PLUS no where is it said that Joker gets the money under the condition that he kills Batman.

It's alluded to in the first meeting with Joker and the mob that he will kill Batman for half of their money, because Batman's really their big problem. But you're right in that the mob never officially say they are hiring him to do that. But it is initially proposed like that - we just don't see an acceptance on those terms.

"We HIRE the clown"

So I'm assuming the half was a pay first kind of thing.

You suggest some interesting points, but it still seems a bit sketchy to me.