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My point is, if he did speak to Gordon before he got in the room, how did he sneak in the room?[/quote]
Like I said he could have gotten into the room by any number of ways.
An air vent ia a possibility.
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And if he was in the room all along, how didn't Joker hear him talking to Gordon on the phone?![/quote]
If he was in the room all along he may have been in the room before Joker was placed in it.
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Yes, he does to this. But I can't personally recall one where he sneaks into a sealed interrogation room? Nolan's Batman is able to sneak into police stations and the like (think Gordon's office in Begins) but getting into an apparently sealed room?[/quote]
Like I said he does it all the time in the comics.
Its not really that much of a strech to assume that Nolans Batman is able to do it.
Even Criss Angle does those types of tricks all the time.And Batman is one of the worlds best escape artist in the comics.He studied the teachings of Houdini amonngst others.
If anyone can get into or out of a sealed room its batman.
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I would give you Gordon wanting to do things by the book, but Batman doesn't;[/quote]
Batman [comics] always differers to Gorden's way of doing thing when they are working together as a first attempt.
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and if he was in that interrogation room before Gordon got there I don't believe that he'd have just stood there when he knew Dent's life was at stake.[/quote]
Thats a good point.
But in the comics Batman normally waits for Gordan to show up when they have a pre-arrangement.
But thats assuming that they had on in TDK
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This suggests to me that Batman got in the room when Gordon did, but how did he do it!?[/quote]
Or just before.
But like I said there are any number of ways he could have gotten in.
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Looking at the official pictures, I can't see any air vents?[/quote]
I looked at them too but you really cant see every corner of the room from top to bottom.
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And if there was would Batman be able to squeeze through without making a noise and not letting Joker know that he was in there?[/quote]
Yes he could.Besides being trained as a ninja he may also have a devise in his belt that helps to absorb the noise he makes.
He has such a devise in the comics.
It may not be too usefull in masking the sound made from coming in threw a vent but I'm sure it could help in masking the sound of the door opening behind Joker.
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I inferred that Joker's been interrogated by the other cops and hasn't said a word, so if Batman was in the room all that time then I'd have thought he could see that Joker wasn't going to co-operate.[/quote]
Not co-operate with the cops yes but Batman had no reason to assume that he may not answer his questions.
The Joker was after all trying to get at the Batman's nerves.
The Joker seemed more then willing to talk to Batman even if it was to taunt him.
Batman may have felt that by keeping him talking he might let something slip.
Its a common physiological tactic used in interrogating serial killers.
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He has met Joker before this point in the film, and has been able to see that he's not a 'common crook'. He even considers giving himself up because of the Joker! He knows he's far from ordinary by this point of the film.[/quote]
Knowing he's not a common crook is far from understanding the type of insanity that the Joker is.
Even Batman comments in not understanding that kind of behaivor.
Batman has an aniletacal [spelling?] mind and anyone who's actions dont have a definitive outcome are perplexing to them.
So even if Batman could see that the Joker wasnt common he still wouldnt have understood how the Joker would react to all kinds of stimuli.
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I can't agree with this because Batman has had plenty of evidence that Joker wasn't what he's been dealing with before. He even says "He [Batman] can't endure this." Joker had already pushed Bruce to a breaking point with his actions. I think the fact that he starts beating the hell out of Joker instantly suggests that he knows he cant just scare him. That he's going to have to push his usual boundries.[/quote]
Again knowing he's dealing with something new does not mean he's going to know how to deal with that new thing.
And it looks like I may have mis read your original question.
I thought you were asking why he
didnt just beat on him instantly.
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I can only see one point of entry other than the one Gordon comes through, and that's the door behind Joker - but those are heavy doors and would surely make a noise , however slight, and alert Joker to somebody else entering the room.[/quote]
Like I said he may have had a devise to help with that.And not every corner of that room was visable from what I've seen.
But I do admit that I havent seen pics of the room from every angle.
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But they obviously didn't as nobody went in.[/quote]
Wouldnt be the first time that the cops f-ed up.
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But this is a film, it's not the comics, and sometimes things happen in film for dramatic impacts because it's an entirely different medium to film. I think it's a great scene, and it doesn't ruin the film for me or anything, but I think it takes liberties as regards him getting in there. It's supposed to surprise us, which it does, and if they gave us any hint that he was in there it would ruin that surprise. So I can see why they did it.[/quote]
True enough.
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But why were they going to let him take his cut?[/quote]
Because if it werent for Joker they would have nothing at all.
The money was lost to the Mob before Joker found it.
So you can call it a finders fee.
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Maybe I've blanked out a big scene where they tell him to get Lau back for them?[/quote]
I dont think you missed anything.If you did then so did I.
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Why not? These aren't defenceless people; they are hardened criminals.[/quote]
true but even hardened criminals are afraid of crazy people.
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When Joker burns the money he tries to stop him.[/quote]
And where does he end up????
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Yes, but Cechen and his men aren't rollovers. He never seems to have any intentions of stopping Joker from taking the cash.[/quote]
Again fear.
Fear of what Joker may do would have lead to
Cechen thinking that letting Joker take his half was a better idea then trying to stop him.
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So the reason they let him have half is because he got it back for them? This does seem to be the only option there is,[/quote]
That and the idea of interfering with Joker taking his half could have lead to their own deaths.
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Maroni isn't even bothered about the money because he gives its (and Joker's) locations up to Gordon.[/quote]
Because he's afraid of Joker.He realizes that the Joker being on the loose is worth losing the money.
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Quite a hypothetical question! If I were a criminal who had all of that dirty money and had earnt it through killing people and the like, no I probably wouldn't be giving somebody half for finding it; in fact, I'd probably be killing them! And I certainly wouldn't pay somebody if they didn't do the job I hired them to do.[/quote]
Your way of thinking may not be theirs.
The mob was in a state of panic.
They had one crazy guy running around in a Bat-suit trying to put them out of buisness for over a year,a police force that was once in their pocket now working agaiest them and working with the crazy guy in the bat suit, a DA with the balls to try to put over 100[ cant remember the number] of them in jail at one time, the possibility that some of the small fries that also got arrested would turn on them, all their money was stolen by one guy, and an other completely crazy guy in make up that they hired to kill the other crazy guy in the bat suit running around killing some of their members and making a public display of it all.
The mob panicked.And when people panic they make weird choices.
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Yep. That's what you get for dealing with The Joker.[/quote]
Thats what you get when you try to stop the Joker from taking his half.
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No, it's supposed to be all of the money. That was its location.[/quote]
Joker said that the part he was burning was only his half.
If it was all of it as you said then the dialog was in error or he lied.
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Yeah, he was burning his half but it was in with their half, which is why Cechen tries to stop him![/quote]
I dint get that impression.
I thought that Cechen tried to stop him because he was burning money.
Most people would have ether try to stop him or at least say something.
I know if I had a gun and was with some nut who was trying to burn that much money I would pull out my gun and try to stop him.
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ou and me, I think we're destined to do this forever...
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Thats ok this is fun.
Some of them just didn't get the film.
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He (usually) does that
