The people who don't like TDKR confuse the hell out of me.
Mainly because they all dislike it for totally different reasons. Two seconds after someone says they only liked the final two acts, another person says the first was the only good thing about the movie.
It more seems like people are suffering from being over-excited than anything.
How was it a middle finger to Batman fans? The story had elements of The Dark Knight Returns, No Mans Land, and Knightfall. And it tied up the trilogy. The script was well thought out had a lot of moxie to it.
The Robin In Name Only to me was the most disappointed aspect of this movie. Why the hell didn't they name him Dick Grayson and made him come from a circus or whatever. I just felt cheated. I mean, the guy WAS Robin but wasn't...Even a name like Terry McGuiness would've been better.
Completely agree, man. So disappointed that I`m baffled some people and critics actually think this movie is good. How can you ignore the so many plot-holes and things that made no sense at all.
1) After Alfred raising Bruce, they have an argument and he simply walks out and disappears for 1 hour????? And Bruce doesn't care and simply leave it be?!?!! Bruce is so out of character here that is really disappointing.
2)If you are going to make a character fit exactly what Robin does in the comics, which is someone who is an orphan who continues his fight for justice, why not call him Dick Grayson or Terry McGuiness? Moreover, why not giving us Robin in the first place. This Robin cop out was awful. JGL was pretty good and I think Blake was the best character of the movie but nothing this guy did was deserving to be Batman in the future. He doesn't have the training, doesn't have anything. He got the toys but really doesnt have IT!
3) Bane's and Talia's send-off were so utterly ridiculous to the point it was laughable. Everything that was great about them is completely diminished by this.
4) Don't even get me started on the whole atomic bomb thing....oh man..So Wayne Enterprises just creates a bomb and simply leave it be and pretty much opens the door for people to steal it.
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I think the most disappointing part of this movie is how they dealt with Bane breaking Batman's back and his recovery.
The sewer fight was phenomenal until the moment he break his back. This is one of the most important comic book moments of all time and it is shot with no drama at all it was done so badly. 2 seconds and boom...It looked really faked also, Bale was clearly on wires...I don't know...it was such a bad shot.
So you want me to believe that Bruce is taken to a prison in India or whatever and nobody knows about it? Nobody in the country even cares about it? The government simply lets people be trapped there?? How prejudiced is that? And to get out you need to jump from a stone to another???!?!?!?!? That's IT?!!??!?! And some random dude just says...oh...all you need is put a rope around your back and staighten yourself...Too bad Christopher Reeve and all the people who suffer from a back injury couldn't go to a place like that, huh??? It was awfully written. The prison itself was a good concept but it was ridiculous done. How can you build a franchise in realism and then something like this is beyond me. The whole aspect of Bruce's body giving up on him is amazing but how he recovers is ridiculous. What should have been done is that Bruce is injured forever or at least to the point he can't fight anymore but then simply trains Levitt's character to replace him. Period. No, we got a few push ups and a line "im angry". Meh.
I've never been so disappointed with a movie in my like I am now and I refuse to believe the same people who created BB and TDK did this mess. Too bad. I wanted to love it and this movie deserved to be a 10 out 10 but as it stands, it is a 6, barely. It is epic and the scale is amazing but the more you start to think about it, the more you find plot holes and things that make no sense and this is a shame.
Thanks man, good post. I feel the same way you do. I really wanted to love this movie, and I went in expecting to see the best of the trilogy and got the worst personally. It's sad for me personally because like I said in an earlier posting TDKR was my jump-off point in terms of actively following a film's production, embracing the media hype, and just in terms of looking forward to seeing the end product.
I dunno, I just can't shake the feeling that everything was kinda brushed over. Maybe not an hour but at least half an hour more. I doubt many Bat fans would complain.
I have to disagree - to properly tie this movie up alone it needed at least another 1.5 - 2 hrs. Or else even the bits they added in that 1/2 hr would need further fleshing out t:
Not sure why people think the end is ambiguous with Bruces fate.
The new Batsignal
The clear instructions specifically left for Blake to the cave
The executioner of Waynes estate mentioning that the Pearl Necklace was missing and needs to be found
Haha, dude I am not trolling. I am 30 yrs old, and have seen way too many comic book movies, hits and flops. I remember seeing Batman 89 in the theater, and all the rest, opening day of course.
This was my jump off point, I wont ever embrace the hype of another comic book movie, I will see them all of course, but I wont ever follow the production and engage in all of the hype of another one, TDKR was my swansong. Did it let me down - of course it did. I'm making no secret of that fact. My feeling is still that it had all of the makings of a great movie, excellent creative team, great cast, unmatched hype - but the wheels fell off 1 hr into the flick for me.
Completely agree. The thing is...just some changes and clarifications would've made it great. But it wasn't. I don't think it's even worth a second viewing. At least, I won't pay for it. I can't believe TDKR was the worst comic book movie this year to me. It's baffling...
The Robin In Name Only to me was the most disappointed aspect of this movie. Why the hell didn't they name him Dick Grayson and made him come from a circus or whatever. I just felt cheated. I mean, the guy WAS Robin but wasn't...Even a name like Terry McGuiness would've been better.
I agree. I like the little details. That's what I look forward to in great writing that can sometimes go overlooked.
This question is to all the comic fans out there: So it's okay for comic writers to introduce new characters into Batman's history, create new Robins to serve the purposes of storytelling, introduce a female Robin of sorts in The Dark Knight Returns, and retconn Batman in multiple comic universes, but it's not okay for Batman and his world to be changed in anyway for the sake of telling a 3 hour film???
Some times fans make no sense lol, I swear. You gripe of a new Robin, yet you accept 3, 4, 5 Robins in the comic-verse??? Sorry Grayson fans, now there is Todd, complaints then they get over it. Sorry Todd fans, now there is Drake, complaints then they get over it; so on and so forth. geez lol.
The Robin In Name Only to me was the most disappointed aspect of this movie. Why the hell didn't they name him Dick Grayson and made him come from a circus or whatever. I just felt cheated. I mean, the guy WAS Robin but wasn't...Even a name like Terry McGuiness would've been better.
Yes I agree with this personally as well - Having his name be "Robin" doesn't make him Robin... he did nothing to earn that right. Agreeing with Bruce's current mindset, driving Bruce some place, and throwing a tantrum after Batman saves the city doesn't make him the heir apparent to the Bat mantle. Because really that's all they showed him do - the other things were all things a regular cop SHOULD be doing anyway. And as BB explained, if cops did their jobs in Gotham, the city wouldn't even need a Batman.
Personally, I just feel they got confused over what they initially set out to achieve and in the end they threw something out from left field that left a terribly unsatisfying feeling in my mouth at least. I felt the arcs they set up in BB and TDK deserved a better ending and if they focused on that alone, instead of bringing in new plot threads without fully tying everything up, it would have been a truly outstanding movie.
Blake's real name being "Robin" as it was more a *wink wink* to fans and nothing more. He's not Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Jason Todd, Jean-Paul Valley or even Terry McGinnis. He's an amalgamation of the entire Bat-Family and symbolizes that Batman is eternal. The idea, the symbol is not limited to one man and "Batman" with live forever.
No matter what people say, Robin to me is an important part of Batman's mythology and when the character is written in a half-assed way, I feel cheated.
I mean, he was Robin. But just wasnt. LOL. Nothing he did was deserving to take up the mantle. He has the toys but not the training and the money. Maybe he could be the new commissioner.
I thought it was a good movie, not great, but still very good. 8/10. I personally didn't enjoy it though, but that has more to do with my taste in movies/stories than anything else. I like character dramas, and Nolan films are stronger in the ideas/plot than they are with the characters. I really didn't connect/care for the characters too much when watching this film, so I rarely had any feelings of dramatic tension, just stuff that they were trying to pass as dramatic tension. But idk. Maybe I need to see it again.
I loved Anne Hatathaway as Catwoman though, probably my favorite character in this Nolan series, including the Joker. She stole the show for me. She had the sensuality and playfulness that is so much apart of the character. Between her in this movie, and how great I thought Black Widow was, this is a refreshing change of pace when it comes to females in superhero movies . Two well acted, well written, strong heroines who can hold their own and aren't reduced to eye candy or only in the film to be a love interest. Very nice to see!
But like I said above, this film was pretty forgettable for me. But my complaints are more due to my personal preferences than they are a criticism of the film itself.
No matter what people say, Robin to me is an important part of Batman's mythology and when the character is written in a half-assed way, I feel cheated.
I mean, he was Robin. But just wasnt. LOL. Nothing he did was deserving to take up the mantle. He has the toys but not the training and the money. Maybe he could be the new commissioner.
Blake's real name being "Robin" as it was more a *wink wink* to fans and nothing more. He's not Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Jason Todd, Jean-Paul Valley or even Terry McGinnis. He's an amalgamation of the entire Bat-Family and symbolizes that Batman is eternal. The idea, the symbol is not limited to one man and "Batman" with live forever.
One thing I really liked was turning Wayne Manor into an orphanage. That was probably my favorite part of the montage in the end. The rest....huh..not so much.
John Blake is the spiritual sidekick in this film, and I had no real issue with his real name, it was a subtle nod to all of Batman's sidekicks and allies throughout his history. It was a nice touch.
Meh. Not my cup of tea. That's cool you guys like it but the movie, to me is a 6 or 6,5. Too many things I didn't like that prevented me from really enjoying it. Easily the worst of all 3 movies. My friend that was with me felt exactly the same.
I personally also liked the scene where Alfred sees Bruce is ok in the cafe - couldn't care less that he was with Selina though, the movie did very little to flesh out their personal relationship. That should have been the last scene in the movie.
I personally also liked the scene where Alfred sees Bruce is ok in the cafe - couldn't care less that he was with Selina though, the movie did very little to flesh out their personal relationship. That should have been the last scene in the movie.
Haha, dude I am not trolling. I am 30 yrs old, and have seen way too many comic book movies, hits and flops. I remember seeing Batman 89 in the theater, and all the rest, opening day of course.
This was my jump off point, I wont ever embrace the hype of another comic book movie, I will see them all of course, but I wont ever follow the production and engage in all of the hype of another one, TDKR was my swansong. Did it let me down - of course it did. I'm making no secret of that fact. My feeling is still that it had all of the makings of a great movie, excellent creative team, great cast, unmatched hype - but the wheels fell off 1 hr into the flick for me.
I'm 28, right behind you, and also saw Batman 89 in the theatre, so I know how you feel.
IMO Batman 89 was better than BB, TDKR and TDK are close to a tie, with TDKR being slightly better. TDK was villain driven, TDKR was situation(s) driven, but both were good IMO.
See I think you were expecting so much that you focused more on what was not shown than what was shown. I didn't read the spoilers, I stayed away from the Batman forums on SHH on purpose. I enjoyed the film.
You embraced the hype, you followed the production, you fell for the Harvey Dent effect and wanted so much from this film based on TDK. Victory was your failure lol....see...see what I did there lol.
You should have just took this film for what it was and waited to be surprised. I'm sure you love Batman 89 as I do, but going back now I have spotted so many plot holes and errors. Do I care no, because I saw this movie before all the hype, and spoiler stuff was common, and that is how I went in seeing TDKR.
The movie was good. A few minor errors, but what movie doesn't have them. All do. ALL! The film was the best in the trilogy if not a tie with TDK, but it sure wasn't less than the TDK. And I mean the movie not the villains.
The people who don't like TDKR confuse the hell out of me.
Mainly because they all dislike it for totally different reasons. Two seconds after someone says they only liked the final two acts, another person says the first was the only good thing about the movie.
It more seems like people are suffering from being over-excited than anything.
They are like those kids that get the toy they have waited so long for at Christmas only to over-analyze the toy and find a mark, nick, discolor, or paint error lol. OR worse they overplay with the toy and it breaks and now they hate it. That is the same as following the production, reading the spoilers, following the production and making their own assumptions only to see the finish product and not be satisfied with what they have built up in their heads lol.
The Robin In Name Only to me was the most disappointed aspect of this movie. Why the hell didn't they name him Dick Grayson and made him come from a circus or whatever. I just felt cheated. I mean, the guy WAS Robin but wasn't...Even a name like Terry McGuiness would've been better.
Well that's the series take on Robin. I'm glad it was in there. Maybe we'll get a movie for the character. Besides, that character has been changed soooo many times. Maybe someone will pick up the ball and write a comic series for John Blake.
The legacy the John Blake character leaves behind is something I think the Nolan trilogy should be proud of. They created a kickass character with a cool story.
The Robin In Name Only to me was the most disappointed aspect of this movie. Why the hell didn't they name him Dick Grayson and made him come from a circus or whatever. I just felt cheated. I mean, the guy WAS Robin but wasn't...Even a name like Terry McGuiness would've been better.
I'm 28, right behind you, and also saw Batman 89 in the theatre, so I know how you feel.
IMO Batman 89 was better than BB, TDKR and TDK are close to a tie, with TDKR being slightly better. TDK was villain driven, TDKR was situation(s) driven, but both were good IMO.
See I think you were expecting so much that you focused more on what was not shown than what was shown. I didn't read the spoilers, I stayed away from the Batman forums on SHH on purpose. I enjoyed the film.
You embraced the hype, you followed the production, you fell for the Harvey Dent effect and wanted so much from this film based on TDK. Victory was your failure lol....see...see what I did there lol.
You should have just took this film for what it was and waited to be surprised. I'm sure you love Batman 89 as I do, but going back now I have spotted so many plot holes and errors. Do I care no, because I saw this movie before all the hype, and spoiler stuff was common, and that is how I went in seeing TDKR.
The movie was good. A few minor errors, but what movie doesn't have them. All do. ALL! The film was the best in the trilogy if not a tie with TDK, but it sure wasn't less than the TDK. And I mean the movie not the villains.
They are like those kids that get the toy they have waited so long for at Christmas only to over-analyze the toy and find a mark, nick, discolor, or paint error lol. OR worse they overplay with the toy and it breaks and now they hate it. That is the same as following the production, reading the spoilers, following the production and making their own assumptions only to see the finish product and not be satisfied with what they have built up in their heads lol.
No that's not the case, I saw the leaked photos and listened to a couple weekly non-real spoiler pod casts. I did read somewhere though that Blake's name was actually Robin, and I remember the guy who posted it was having a good laugh saying its a load of garbage and Nolan would never do something like that - guess the joke was on that guy and me, I thought the same thing. To be honest that was the only time I had a lump in my throat - when Blake said check under his legal name - I thought this couldn't possibly be happening - so now that I think about it I guess in that respect it lived up to the lump-in-throat hype that Goyer mentioned in his last interview.
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. Two well acted, well written, strong heroines who can hold their own and aren't reduced to eye candy or only in the film to be a love interest. Very nice to see!
