The Official SAW V thread

[DACrowe]

Okay, I'm not one to troll so I just came to this thread to see if there was actually any news about this film being made.

I peresonally thought the first Saw was a pretty good thriller. It didn't desserve the comparisons to Seven or Silence of the Lambs or something HItchcockian (Psycho, Rear Window, Veritgo, etc.) but it was still a damn fine thriller that was suspensful, original and had an ending that threw me for a loop with likeable characters despite some questionable acting and effects. Saw II was all hype but it still was a pretty clever movie, even if it lost the edge of the first and became a run of your mill slasher, the characters were still intruging for hte most part and the movie was surprising, if disappointing. Saw III was schlock on a plate. Torture porn with aspirations of social commentary but falling as short as Resident Evil movies thinking they are sci-fi epics. So I just watched parts of Saw IV online and....well let's just say I'm glad I didn't pay for it.

That is my opinion. I will not deride anyone who thinks these movies are well made or better or the sequels or better than the original (though how I am not sure, because with each film the cinematography, editing and direction gets sloppier and I already commented on the substance of the movies).

The thing that got me to post is someone saying that these movies are the best thing coming out of the film industry right now; really? Really? I mean c'mon....REAAAALLLLY? Better than off the top of my head for movies that have come out in their interem or just this year: Eastern Promises, Into the Wild, American Gangster, Gone Baby Gone, Black Snake Moan, Hot Fuzz, Waitress, The Bourne Ultimatum, The Darjeeling Limited, The Life Aquatic, Sideways, The Aviator, Munich, Goodnight and Good Luck, Crash, Syriana, The Departed, Pan's Labrynth, The Matador, Little Miss Sunshine, Thank You For Smoking, Children of Men, Superbad, The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Knocked Up, Match Point, The Prestige, Zodiac, Paris Je T'aime, Babel, Brokeback Mountain, Walk the Line, Serenity, The Producers, Kingdom of Heaven (director's cut), Capote, King Kong and MANY more I'm sure I'm forgetting...

And the Saw movies are the best things coming out of the film inudstry....REALLY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[nocomics]

Okay, I'm not one to troll so I just came to this thread to see if there was actually any news about this film being made.

I peresonally thought the first Saw was a pretty good thriller. It didn't desserve the comparisons to Seven or Silence of the Lambs or something HItchcockian (Psycho, Rear Window, Veritgo, etc.) but it was still a damn fine thriller that was suspensful, original and had an ending that threw me for a loop with likeable characters despite some questionable acting and effects. Saw II was all hype but it still was a pretty clever movie, even if it lost the edge of the first and became a run of your mill slasher, the characters were still intruging for hte most part and the movie was surprising, if disappointing. Saw III was schlock on a plate. Torture porn with aspirations of social commentary but falling as short as Resident Evil movies thinking they are sci-fi epics. So I just watched parts of Saw IV online and....well let's just say I'm glad I didn't pay for it.

That is my opinion. I will not deride anyone who thinks these movies are well made or better or the sequels or better than the original (though how I am not sure, because with each film the cinematography, editing and direction gets sloppier and I already commented on the substance of the movies).

The thing that got me to post is someone saying that these movies are the best thing coming out of the film industry right now; really? Really? I mean c'mon....REAAAALLLLY? Better than off the top of my head for movies that have come out in their interem or just this year: Eastern Promises, Into the Wild, American Gangster, Gone Baby Gone, Black Snake Moan, Hot Fuzz, Waitress, The Bourne Ultimatum, The Darjeeling Limited, The Life Aquatic, Sideways, The Aviator, Munich, Goodnight and Good Luck, Crash, Syriana, The Departed, Pan's Labrynth, The Matador, Little Miss Sunshine, Thank You For Smoking, Children of Men, Superbad, The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Knocked Up, Match Point, The Prestige, Zodiac, Paris Je T'aime, Babel, Brokeback Mountain, Walk the Line, Serenity, The Producers, Kingdom of Heaven (director's cut), Capote, King Kong and MANY more I'm sure I'm forgetting...

And the Saw movies are the best things coming out of the film inudstry....REALLY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Least they are'nt remakes Most of it is matter of opinions,and taste. we could probably list movies that are better than the ones u listed as well,and u may not agree,but thats cool ur opinion.
I just think saw movies are a fresh spin on the horror genre. They actually have a agenda to them,and not just to mutilate victims. You don't find alot of horror movies with a slick story line to them as u do with saw. Saw series have been solid,and constant far better than u can say for spiderman/pirates,shrek,batman,superman series
*Saw series does'nt have that one very disappointing movie like SM3/Pirates3/shrek3. Saw has been very solid all through out...

 

[JackBauer]

The thing that got me to post is someone saying that these movies are the best thing coming out of the film industry right now; really? Really? I mean c'mon....REAAAALLLLY? Better than off the top of my head for movies that have come out in their interem or just this year: Eastern Promises, Into the Wild, American Gangster, Gone Baby Gone, Black Snake Moan, Hot Fuzz, Waitress, The Bourne Ultimatum, The Darjeeling Limited, The Life Aquatic, Sideways, The Aviator, Munich, Goodnight and Good Luck, Crash, Syriana, The Departed, Pan's Labrynth, The Matador, Little Miss Sunshine, Thank You For Smoking, Children of Men, Superbad, The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Knocked Up, Match Point, The Prestige, Zodiac, Paris Je T'aime, Babel, Brokeback Mountain, Walk the Line, Serenity, The Producers, Kingdom of Heaven (director's cut), Capote, King Kong and MANY more I'm sure I'm forgetting...

yeah, you forgot Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and Casino Royale and Hard Candy and Borat and...

 

[DACrowe]

Yep, I'd list all those too. I was just throwing out some examples.

And I don't think a parable horror movie is an original concept. It's just rare in cinemas today which is more a comment on the sad state of things.

I won't argue those points made, fair enough. Albeit I'd say the Saw sequels were very disappointing to the first (moreso than SM3) but hey, agree to disagree, I suppose.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

I respect your opinion DA, sure, if you didn't like the first Saw you won't like the next two, I can agree with that. But I recommend you to not judge a book by it's cover and see Saw IV in its entirety. Give it one last chance as it is the best of them.
I guess I'll be laying off Saw haters only when they see the fourth instalment. And if they say that that is crap, oh well, nothing сan save it for them anymore I guess.

 

[CrypticOne]

Okay, I'm not one to troll so I just came to this thread to see if there was actually any news about this film being made.

I peresonally thought the first Saw was a pretty good thriller. It didn't desserve the comparisons to Seven or Silence of the Lambs or something HItchcockian (Psycho, Rear Window, Veritgo, etc.) but it was still a damn fine thriller that was suspensful, original and had an ending that threw me for a loop with likeable characters despite some questionable acting and effects. Saw II was all hype but it still was a pretty clever movie, even if it lost the edge of the first and became a run of your mill slasher, the characters were still intruging for hte most part and the movie was surprising, if disappointing. Saw III was schlock on a plate. Torture porn with aspirations of social commentary but falling as short as Resident Evil movies thinking they are sci-fi epics. So I just watched parts of Saw IV online and....well let's just say I'm glad I didn't pay for it.

That is my opinion. I will not deride anyone who thinks these movies are well made or better or the sequels or better than the original (though how I am not sure, because with each film the cinematography, editing and direction gets sloppier and I already commented on the substance of the movies).

The thing that got me to post is someone saying that these movies are the best thing coming out of the film industry right now; really? Really? I mean c'mon....REAAAALLLLY? Better than off the top of my head for movies that have come out in their interem or just this year: Eastern Promises, Into the Wild, American Gangster, Gone Baby Gone, Black Snake Moan, Hot Fuzz, Waitress, The Bourne Ultimatum, The Darjeeling Limited, The Life Aquatic, Sideways, The Aviator, Munich, Goodnight and Good Luck, Crash, Syriana, The Departed, Pan's Labrynth, The Matador, Little Miss Sunshine, Thank You For Smoking, Children of Men, Superbad, The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Knocked Up, Match Point, The Prestige, Zodiac, Paris Je T'aime, Babel, Brokeback Mountain, Walk the Line, Serenity, The Producers, Kingdom of Heaven (director's cut), Capote, King Kong and MANY more I'm sure I'm forgetting...

And the Saw movies are the best things coming out of the film inudstry....REALLY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I think I was the one who said that the SAW franchise is the best thing coming out of the movie industry, right now. First of all, most of the movies on that list, suck and the rest didn't even come out this year. Didn't The Aviator come out in 2004? Come back to the present, my boy. Every weekend, movies are released and most of them suck or are just Hollywood wanting that quick dollar, so they slap something together and shove it down your gullet. The only good movies on that list, are Eastern Promises, The Prestige, Kingdom of Heaven, The Departed, and I haven't seen American Gangster or The Bourne Ultimatum yet. But the SAW franchise has what I call 'originality.' Some of the movies on the list you have are either from books or movies adapted from other movies, kind of like remakes, The Departed for instance. SAW has great actors that need more credit, some of them are unknown and make big impressions. SAW is a great franchise.

 

[DACrowe]

Well that was a bit patronizing, but I'll bite.

1. The first Saw movie (and the only good one in my book) came out in 2004. That allows great movies from that year (The Aviator, Life Aquatic, Sideways, etc.) to count as a point of reference. I sometimes forget too considering how fast they churn these babies out. Which leads me to my next point.

Every weekend, movies are released and most of them suck or are just Hollywood wanting that quick dollar, so they slap something together and shove it down your gullet...But the SAW franchise has what I call 'originality.'

2. Movies that are slapped together for a cheap dollar and shoved down our gullet at a breakneck speed? THERE HAS BEEN A CHEAPLY PRODUCED RUSHED SAW MOVIE EVERY HALLOWEEN SINCE 2004. We're talking they have already greenlit Saw V and VI before IV was even in theaters. Why? Because they are cheap, simple and do not take much orignality to create. While you may love the story, the selling point for these movies are the kills as they would not win every year the Halloween horror fights if that wasn't the case. It is grusome torture. There may be a subtext to it, but the torture porn is the selling point. And while I'd agree there wasn't much competition on '04 or '05 in way of horror movies, there's been better as of late in that department.

3. Originality? I like certain franchises when well done (The Godfather, Indiana Jones, Star Wars before the prequels, Back to the Future and I am one of the few fans of the Spidey franchise to name some), but a franchise by its nature is unoriginal. It is finding a formula that is popular and revisiting the same creative property and going back to the well because it has a built in audience. It is much less risky to make a movie with a IV in the title than it is to make something that is truly original...which is something that has not been done. The Saw movies follow a formula of introducing characters who are sad with their lives or are doing something that is morally questionable (albeit by Saw IV it is getting ridiculous with the main victim being a guy who just wants to save his friends be fore they die, and therefore does not deserve to live because he should want to saveh imself first-type BS). These characters are then drugged, kdinap and try and outsmart the trap, fail, cry/scream a lot then seem like they are going to beat the trap only for some surprise twist that leaves all players of the game dead or in a limbo until they are killed off in the next sequel (the exception to that being Dr. Gordon). And the twist 3 out of 4 times is who is really in charge and in control of the Jigsaw(s) or who is helping him.

It is recycled storytelling. They drop a few questions in each movie (like who is John's wife? Why didn't they show what happened to Det. Matthews? The new ones are who is going to test Hoffman?) so that hopefully you'll pay to see the next sequel in serial format, which is not a bold new idea but has been around since Nickelodeons or at least the 1930s.


I'm not going to argue if you think they are good or not, I am just saying what you claimed is the problem with Hollywood is the epitome of these movies' existence (a quick cheap buck for Hollywood producers who can turn these out for a seasonal event every 12 months, without much risk and little innovation).


As for movies this year. I know a lot of crap has come out but so has Michael Clayton, Into the Wild, Eastern Promises, Gone Baby Gone, Paris Je T'aime, Waitress, Superbad, Knocked Up, Hot Fuzz, Black Snake Moan, 3:10 to Yuma, The Darjeeling Limited, The Assassination of Jesse James and No Country for Old Men. The only remake of the bunch being 3:10 and the only ones not being risky or generic (besides 3:10) the Apatow comedies which are still very unique in the genre of mainstream comedies (which is overrun by the likes of Carrey, Stiller and Farrell recyclables). Basing something on a book does not mean it will be a good movie and No Country for Old Men, Into the Wild and Gone Baby Gone were brilliantly (and creatively adapted). I mean they are creative ventures that were produced for more than making money (though for backers that is the main reason). Any movie with a IV in the title has lost the claim of originality long ago (at least just as much as a remake). Especially if the fourth plays a lot like the second with an ending that feels like a rehash of the 'twist' of the first movie.

 

[JackBauer]

I think I was the one who said that the SAW franchise is the best thing coming out of the movie industry, right now. First of all, most of the movies on that list, suck and the rest didn't even come out this year. Didn't The Aviator come out in 2004? Come back to the present, my boy. Every weekend, movies are released and most of them suck or are just Hollywood wanting that quick dollar, so they slap something together and shove it down your gullet. The only good movies on that list, are Eastern Promises, The Prestige, Kingdom of Heaven, The Departed, and I haven't seen American Gangster or The Bourne Ultimatum yet. But the SAW franchise has what I call 'originality.' Some of the movies on the list you have are either from books or movies adapted from other movies, kind of like remakes, The Departed for instance. SAW has great actors that need more credit, some of them are unknown and make big impressions. SAW is a great franchise.

you're kidding right? I may not hate the Saw movies like Crowe does (with the exception of the first), but how the hell can you say Pan's Labyrinth, Serenity, Match Point, Paris Je T'aime and many others on that list are not as original as Saw with a straight face?

 

[bullets]

^actually those films are derivative. saw keeps me interested . tobin bell is really good . these are fun films to see and there is always a suprise at the end.

 

[nocomics]

Well that was a bit patronizing, but I'll bite.

1. The first Saw movie (and the only good one in my book) came out in 2004. That allows great movies from that year (The Aviator, Life Aquatic, Sideways, etc.) to count as a point of reference. I sometimes forget too considering how fast they churn these babies out. Which leads me to my next point.



2. Movies that are slapped together for a cheap dollar and shoved down our gullet at a breakneck speed? THERE HAS BEEN A CHEAPLY PRODUCED RUSHED SAW MOVIE EVERY HALLOWEEN SINCE 2004. We're talking they have already greenlit Saw V and VI before IV was even in theaters. Why? Because they are cheap, simple and do not take much orignality to create. While you may love the story, the selling point for these movies are the kills as they would not win every year the Halloween horror fights if that wasn't the case. It is grusome torture. There may be a subtext to it, but the torture porn is the selling point. And while I'd agree there wasn't much competition on '04 or '05 in way of horror movies, there's been better as of late in that department.

3. Originality? I like certain franchises when well done (The Godfather, Indiana Jones, Star Wars before the prequels, Back to the Future and I am one of the few fans of the Spidey franchise to name some), but a franchise by its nature is unoriginal. It is finding a formula that is popular and revisiting the same creative property and going back to the well because it has a built in audience. It is much less risky to make a movie with a IV in the title than it is to make something that is truly original...which is something that has not been done. The Saw movies follow a formula of introducing characters who are sad with their lives or are doing something that is morally questionable (albeit by Saw IV it is getting ridiculous with the main victim being a guy who just wants to save his friends be fore they die, and therefore does not deserve to live because he should want to saveh imself first-type BS). These characters are then drugged, kdinap and try and outsmart the trap, fail, cry/scream a lot then seem like they are going to beat the trap only for some surprise twist that leaves all players of the game dead or in a limbo until they are killed off in the next sequel (the exception to that being Dr. Gordon). And the twist 3 out of 4 times is who is really in charge and in control of the Jigsaw(s) or who is helping him.

It is recycled storytelling. They drop a few questions in each movie (like who is John's wife? Why didn't they show what happened to Det. Matthews? The new ones are who is going to test Hoffman?) so that hopefully you'll pay to see the next sequel in serial format, which is not a bold new idea but has been around since Nickelodeons or at least the 1930s.


I'm not going to argue if you think they are good or not, I am just saying what you claimed is the problem with Hollywood is the epitome of these movies' existence (a quick cheap buck for Hollywood producers who can turn these out for a seasonal event every 12 months, without much risk and little innovation).


As for movies this year. I know a lot of crap has come out but so has Michael Clayton, Into the Wild, Eastern Promises, Gone Baby Gone, Paris Je T'aime, Waitress, Superbad, Knocked Up, Hot Fuzz, Black Snake Moan, 3:10 to Yuma, The Darjeeling Limited, The Assassination of Jesse James and No Country for Old Men. The only remake of the bunch being 3:10 and the only ones not being risky or generic (besides 3:10) the Apatow comedies which are still very unique in the genre of mainstream comedies (which is overrun by the likes of Carrey, Stiller and Farrell recyclables). Basing something on a book does not mean it will be a good movie and No Country for Old Men, Into the Wild and Gone Baby Gone were brilliantly (and creatively adapted). I mean they are creative ventures that were produced for more than making money (though for backers that is the main reason). Any movie with a IV in the title has lost the claim of originality long ago (at least just as much as a remake). Especially if the fourth plays a lot like the second with an ending that feels like a rehash of the 'twist' of the first movie.

1. Enjoy whatever movie u like,compare it to whatever u want. Saw was/is best of the series with Saw IV next in line. Horror movies always seem to get the short end of the draw when being compared to top notch movies. Thats also the beauty of horror,its all on its own,no need to be thrown in with the norm etc...

2. They churn these out every year,because they are simple,and sometimes the simplest stuff is the best. Far as 'greenlighting' Saw V/VI before Saw IV is release,well sorry to say thats nothing new. Lot of moive franchises are greenlite before first one is released....

3. Not many movies are original nowadays. Hollywood does like to play it safe. say cause it has a IV makes it unoriginal,I disagree totally. Its part of the franchise so I personally include in the 'whole package'. Does it feel old sometimes,sure,but if u look at all the movies combined and not just the one saw is still in my eyes a great series. The good thing about the saw series is they are a continuation of the previous movie,and twists are decent,saw iv the twist ending may seemed weak,but it was byfar the best overall(it lacked that awww struck feeling like the first,but different movie).
*I just consider the SAW franchise a fresh breath far as movies. Not too many franchises I'll say that about..Maybe the Matrix trilogies,they were fresh,and entertaining.
*Maybe we should'nt use the word 'original',the word 'freash/different' are good ways to described saw series...
*

 

[LastSunrise1981]

The SAW films are definitely a breath of fresh air. The problem with horror films today is they rely on cheap scares, no atmosphere, and no tension when the climax comes to fruition.

While the SAW films have a lot of gore, they have a great story behind them and have interesting characters. One of the reasons I love SAW IV so much is because it's not really gory at all. Yes, there's gore in it, but they seem to focus on the story more and the actual characters.

You see Jigsaw's past, you see what Detective Matthews went through, you see development for Agent Strahm, and it's more of an actual detective thriller rather than a gore flick. In fact, in my opinion, it is one of the more emotional and tragic films of the series by far.

Spoiler

I will say I was disappointed with my favorite characters getting killed off. But hey, what can you do about that? It just shows that the even the interesting characters aren't safe and I like that. Detective Matthews definitely deserved a happy ending as far as his character goes, he and Jeff were wasted in my opinion.

So far though my favorite characters of the Saw series are:

1. Jigsaw/Detective Matthews(Tie)
2. Detective Kerry
3. Jeff Reinhart
4. Dr. Gordon
5. Adam
6. Detective Hoffman
7. Agent Strahm

 

[CrypticOne]

Well that was a bit patronizing, but I'll bite.

1. The first Saw movie (and the only good one in my book) came out in 2004. That allows great movies from that year (The Aviator, Life Aquatic, Sideways, etc.) to count as a point of reference. I sometimes forget too considering how fast they churn these babies out. Which leads me to my next point.



2. Movies that are slapped together for a cheap dollar and shoved down our gullet at a breakneck speed? THERE HAS BEEN A CHEAPLY PRODUCED RUSHED SAW MOVIE EVERY HALLOWEEN SINCE 2004. We're talking they have already greenlit Saw V and VI before IV was even in theaters. Why? Because they are cheap, simple and do not take much orignality to create. While you may love the story, the selling point for these movies are the kills as they would not win every year the Halloween horror fights if that wasn't the case. It is grusome torture. There may be a subtext to it, but the torture porn is the selling point. And while I'd agree there wasn't much competition on '04 or '05 in way of horror movies, there's been better as of late in that department.

3. Originality? I like certain franchises when well done (The Godfather, Indiana Jones, Star Wars before the prequels, Back to the Future and I am one of the few fans of the Spidey franchise to name some), but a franchise by its nature is unoriginal. It is finding a formula that is popular and revisiting the same creative property and going back to the well because it has a built in audience. It is much less risky to make a movie with a IV in the title than it is to make something that is truly original...which is something that has not been done. The Saw movies follow a formula of introducing characters who are sad with their lives or are doing something that is morally questionable (albeit by Saw IV it is getting ridiculous with the main victim being a guy who just wants to save his friends be fore they die, and therefore does not deserve to live because he should want to saveh imself first-type BS). These characters are then drugged, kdinap and try and outsmart the trap, fail, cry/scream a lot then seem like they are going to beat the trap only for some surprise twist that leaves all players of the game dead or in a limbo until they are killed off in the next sequel (the exception to that being Dr. Gordon). And the twist 3 out of 4 times is who is really in charge and in control of the Jigsaw(s) or who is helping him.

It is recycled storytelling. They drop a few questions in each movie (like who is John's wife? Why didn't they show what happened to Det. Matthews? The new ones are who is going to test Hoffman?) so that hopefully you'll pay to see the next sequel in serial format, which is not a bold new idea but has been around since Nickelodeons or at least the 1930s.


I'm not going to argue if you think they are good or not, I am just saying what you claimed is the problem with Hollywood is the epitome of these movies' existence (a quick cheap buck for Hollywood producers who can turn these out for a seasonal event every 12 months, without much risk and little innovation).


As for movies this year. I know a lot of crap has come out but so has Michael Clayton, Into the Wild, Eastern Promises, Gone Baby Gone, Paris Je T'aime, Waitress, Superbad, Knocked Up, Hot Fuzz, Black Snake Moan, 3:10 to Yuma, The Darjeeling Limited, The Assassination of Jesse James and No Country for Old Men. The only remake of the bunch being 3:10 and the only ones not being risky or generic (besides 3:10) the Apatow comedies which are still very unique in the genre of mainstream comedies (which is overrun by the likes of Carrey, Stiller and Farrell recyclables). Basing something on a book does not mean it will be a good movie and No Country for Old Men, Into the Wild and Gone Baby Gone were brilliantly (and creatively adapted). I mean they are creative ventures that were produced for more than making money (though for backers that is the main reason). Any movie with a IV in the title has lost the claim of originality long ago (at least just as much as a remake). Especially if the fourth plays a lot like the second with an ending that feels like a rehash of the 'twist' of the first movie.

1. You liked the first SAW, awesome.

2. But these movies are thoughtout! They just don't slap it together and throw it at you! They make things make sense, the story is what moves this forward, the traps are just there, yes, for pleasure, but each trap has a story and it may what makes it sell, but I didn't buy my ticket for the traps, I bought mine for the story, and what will happen next. The movies may be cheap to make, and that is one of the reasons why I like them, they are cheap to make. When creators can have a little budget and make a great story, that is amazing. You don't need a 100 million dollar budget to tell a great story!

3. I'll agree with you that Gone Baby Gone was kicka**!

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I noticed something about Detective Matthews ordeal.

Remember how he was a corrupt cop? Framing people, planting evidence, and using police brutality?

Spoiler

It was interesting to see how he found himself in the same situation that he put others in. Think about it, Gus, Xavier, Amanda, Addison, and Obi were all in prison because of him. Because of his sins he was forced to basically become a prisoner, be fed like an animal, and wore basically what a prisoner would wear in a jail. It was very interesting to see such a badass character like Matthews also become a broken man. This is the same man who beat the **** out of Jigsaw, smashed his foot/broke the bone to escape the bathroom, beat the **** out of Amanda, and still taunt her after she kicked his broken foot.

Then to see him basically just become a broken man. Crying and saying "I don't want to play anymore" was a nice touch. You felt his pain and felt even more sorry for him, simply due to the fact that he suffered more out of any character in the series. Had he survived there's no way he would've been sane in the end. But it would've been nice to see him reunite with Daniel and try to live a normal life.

Seriously, did anyone feel the emotion when it shows

Spoiler

Hoffman feeding him through the door, him petting rats, and just sitting against the wall like a broken man.

 

[†~AntiChrist~†]

The SAW films are definitely a breath of fresh air. The problem with horror films today is they rely on cheap scares, no atmosphere, and no tension when the climax comes to fruition.

While the SAW films have a lot of gore, they have a great story behind them and have interesting characters. One of the reasons I love SAW IV so much is because it's not really gory at all. Yes, there's gore in it, but they seem to focus on the story more and the actual characters.

You see Jigsaw's past, you see what Detective Matthews went through, you see development for Agent Strahm, and it's more of an actual detective thriller rather than a gore flick. In fact, in my opinion, it is one of the more emotional and tragic films of the series by far.

Spoiler

I will say I was disappointed with my favorite characters getting killed off. But hey, what can you do about that? It just shows that the even the interesting characters aren't safe and I like that. Detective Matthews definitely deserved a happy ending as far as his character goes, he and Jeff were wasted in my opinion.

So far though my favorite characters of the Saw series are:

1. Jigsaw/Detective Matthews(Tie)
2. Detective Kerry
3. Jeff Reinhart
4. Dr. Gordon
5. Adam
6. Detective Hoffman
7. Agent Strahm

I would say my favourite characters are John Kramer (The True Jigsaw) Amanda and Hoffman..

 

[JackBauer]

The SAW films are definitely a breath of fresh air. The problem with horror films today is they rely on cheap scares, no atmosphere, and no tension when the climax comes to fruition.

you'll probably like 1408 then. there's no recent horror movie with more atmosphere, save for maybe The Descent.

 

[CrypticOne]

The SAW films are definitely a breath of fresh air. The problem with horror films today is they rely on cheap scares, no atmosphere, and no tension when the climax comes to fruition.

While the SAW films have a lot of gore, they have a great story behind them and have interesting characters. One of the reasons I love SAW IV so much is because it's not really gory at all. Yes, there's gore in it, but they seem to focus on the story more and the actual characters.

You see Jigsaw's past, you see what Detective Matthews went through, you see development for Agent Strahm, and it's more of an actual detective thriller rather than a gore flick. In fact, in my opinion, it is one of the more emotional and tragic films of the series by far.

Spoiler

I will say I was disappointed with my favorite characters getting killed off. But hey, what can you do about that? It just shows that the even the interesting characters aren't safe and I like that. Detective Matthews definitely deserved a happy ending as far as his character goes, he and Jeff were wasted in my opinion.

So far though my favorite characters of the Saw series are:

1. Jigsaw/Detective Matthews(Tie)
2. Detective Kerry
3. Jeff Reinhart
4. Dr. Gordon
5. Adam
6. Detective Hoffman
7. Agent Strahm

Yeah, John/Jigsaw has to my favorite character, followed by Det. Matthews and then Jeff Reinhart. Those are my top 3.

 

[chamber-music]

Carey Elwes' acting got a little iffy after he cut off his first movie.......other than that I'd say there weren't many acting problems in all 4 films......Leigh Whanell's performance actually blew me away once I learned he hadn't really done anything else and he was british.

Cary Elwes is British although his been living in america for about 20 years now and is an american citzen.

Leigh Whanell is Australian.

people have been saying Gordon would for sure be back since Saw 2...and he hasnt shown up...I think he's dead, bled out, or of shock, somewhere in those tunnels...although I do admit them never showing the body is probably there way of either throwing everyone off every movie, or leaving it open for him to some day (most likely when interest starts to waiver) return.

Dr Gordon won't be back becuase the actro who played him Cary Elwes filed a lawsuit in august 2005 against his management firm and the producers of Saw. He alleged that he was promised "a minimum of one percent of the producers' net profits" and did not receive the full amount as promised.

So unless they recast him I don't think he will be popping up in any sequals anytime soon.

 

[chamber-music]

Cary Elwes is British although his been living in america for about 20 years now and is an american citzen.

Leigh Whanell is Australian.



Dr Gordon won't be back becuase the actro who played him Cary Elwes filed a lawsuit in august 2005 against his management firm and the producers of Saw. He alleged that he was promised "a minimum of one percent of the producers' net profits" and did not receive the full amount as promised.

So unless they recast him I don't think he will be popping up in any sequals anytime soon.

Actully Forget that Elwes must of got paid because his listed as reprising his role in Saw 5. Must Of seen how much money it was raking in now and changed his mind.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Actully Forget that Elwes must of got paid because his listed as reprising his role in Saw 5. Must Of seen how much money it was raking in now and changed his mind.

Link please!

 

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Link please!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cary_Elwes listed as in Pre-Production. Might be BS

 

[nocomics]

you'll probably like 1408 then. there's no recent horror movie with more atmosphere, save for maybe The Descent.

Not to get off saw topic,but I thought 1408 was'nt very good. I like john cusack(sp?),but it just did'nt do anything for me..
Far as Cary Elwes,that be great if he was coming back,however I wish they would keep that hush-hush,it would be so wicked if noone knew he was in the movie. Bam!! robe comes down,and theres Dr. Gordon; " I want to play a Game"

 

[LastSunrise1981]

The more I think about it the more I feel that Dr. Gordon isn't dead.

Seriously, four movies into the series and we still don't know what happened to him. We saw what happened to Adam, Kerry, Detective Matthews, Amanda, and many other characters. But he's the one character that hasn't been given a proper resolution.

But yes, if it happens I want it to be a surprise. I want it to be someone we didn't expect and have it be a twist that surpasses the first SAW.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Anyone get pissed off with Rigg at the end though?

Spoiler

All he had to do was not open the door. He heard Eric tell him don't open the door. If someone tells me don't open the door, I'm not opening the door.

 

[CrypticOne]

Anyone get pissed off with Rigg at the end though?

Spoiler

All he had to do was not open the door. He heard Eric tell him don't open the door. If someone tells me don't open the door, I'm not opening the door.

Yeah dude. The whole time, I was like, 'no one open the door, no one open the door,' that part kept me on the edge of my seat. But yeah, to see my favorite character get offed was very disapointing. That is when I hated Rigg.

 

[nocomics]

Sad thing is we got least a year before Saw V comes out,maybe longer. Was talk of skipping '08 and starting again in '09,hope the writers strike don't 'F' this up..
Makes ya wonder though saw v/vi are being shot back to back,will they release both next year or keep its current schedule?